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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:43 PM
As posted by Neil Washbrook:

First, the list of add-on aircraft announced today:
"Part 1
Free Upgrade in a few weeks with
Flyable
P-51D (n-9 Gunsight)
Ki-84-1a
A6M5

AI
B17G
C47

Ground Objects
US Cars, US Tanks, US AAAA, tents,trees palms and 2 ships

Maps
Ardennes (Summer and Winter)
Normandy (pre and post invasion)
Onlibe Pacific - with white sand and different sea colour

Payware Addon (Jan 2004)
Major upgrade - delayed until Jan to give Gibbage time to do the spitfire. All of the above plus

Flyable
P-51B
P-51C
P-51D (K-14 gunsight)
P-63C
P-38L
P-38J
YP-80 Shooting Start
Me-163B
HE-162-A-2
Ta-152H-1
Mistel with Fw190
Bf-109Z
Ju-87D-5
Ho-229
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings)
IAR-80A
IAR-81C
Fiat G.50
K-84-1b
Ki-84-1c
A6M2

AI
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
Fi-103 V1 with launcher (tippable in flight)
Gladiator Mk1 and Mk II
FW200

Possible
MC200
Gladiator flyable
Bf110G-2 flyable
Fiat CR42 flyable

7 Campaigns, 20 single missions and 10 Coop mission


Neil Washbrook
Forum Administrator"

Also, this from Neil:

"From what I understand the expansion pack being released early next year will be the last addon in the Forgotten Battle range although I suppose there may be a possiblity of adding a few cockpits after the event but I doubt it.

It sounds like that the team are going to be so involved in the BoB new product little more is going to happen on FB.

As regards the BoB - totally new engine including high detailed graphics (100% improvement was mentioned) and sound engine"

So I have to wonder: should developers continue work on their projects, or are they just wasting their time? It appears that if it's not 100% complete before the end of this year, it's not making it into FB. And the new engine for the BoB sim means that models not completed in time for FB probably can't be used in the next sim.


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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:43 PM
As posted by Neil Washbrook:

First, the list of add-on aircraft announced today:
"Part 1
Free Upgrade in a few weeks with
Flyable
P-51D (n-9 Gunsight)
Ki-84-1a
A6M5

AI
B17G
C47

Ground Objects
US Cars, US Tanks, US AAAA, tents,trees palms and 2 ships

Maps
Ardennes (Summer and Winter)
Normandy (pre and post invasion)
Onlibe Pacific - with white sand and different sea colour

Payware Addon (Jan 2004)
Major upgrade - delayed until Jan to give Gibbage time to do the spitfire. All of the above plus

Flyable
P-51B
P-51C
P-51D (K-14 gunsight)
P-63C
P-38L
P-38J
YP-80 Shooting Start
Me-163B
HE-162-A-2
Ta-152H-1
Mistel with Fw190
Bf-109Z
Ju-87D-5
Ho-229
SPB (Tb3 with two I-16 under wings)
IAR-80A
IAR-81C
Fiat G.50
K-84-1b
Ki-84-1c
A6M2

AI
Hawk 75A-3
Hawk 75A-4
Fi-103 V1 with launcher (tippable in flight)
Gladiator Mk1 and Mk II
FW200

Possible
MC200
Gladiator flyable
Bf110G-2 flyable
Fiat CR42 flyable

7 Campaigns, 20 single missions and 10 Coop mission


Neil Washbrook
Forum Administrator"

Also, this from Neil:

"From what I understand the expansion pack being released early next year will be the last addon in the Forgotten Battle range although I suppose there may be a possiblity of adding a few cockpits after the event but I doubt it.

It sounds like that the team are going to be so involved in the BoB new product little more is going to happen on FB.

As regards the BoB - totally new engine including high detailed graphics (100% improvement was mentioned) and sound engine"

So I have to wonder: should developers continue work on their projects, or are they just wasting their time? It appears that if it's not 100% complete before the end of this year, it's not making it into FB. And the new engine for the BoB sim means that models not completed in time for FB probably can't be used in the next sim.


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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:55 PM
how could the curtis kawk 75 not be flyable and what happened to the condors cockpit and gunnerstations we seen so many pictures of at il2center when it was working. Also the how could the curtis kawk 75 not be flyable the cockpit is so similiar to the p40

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:57 PM
thanks for the scuttlebutt

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 07:59 PM
WHERE'S THE TEMPEST!!!!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:08 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:11 PM
Well,as far as the Tempest,Hawk 75,and Corsair goes,I'm sure the list will be open to modification. However,the Fw-200 interior is a mystery to me. It looked completed. I'm almost certain that if the unfinished projects aren't completed by mid/late November they will likely not be included...ever. The new BoB sim will be unlikely to use the leftover/uncompleted models built for FB.

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Message Edited on 10/05/0302:12PM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:13 PM
But the Tempest was finished!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:16 PM
CHDT wrote:
- But the Tempest was finished!!!!!

Was it? I thought the cockpit and external model still had some minor things to work out...

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:20 PM
Great, no Mk IX, XIV, Tempest, Bf110C, and no US naval planes
like the F4F, F4U, F6F. Why the damn Japs planes in that matter??

-wcat-

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:24 PM
wcat wrote:no US
- naval planes
- like the F4F, F4U, F6F.


Well,all three are in the works. Whether they make it or not,I don't know. I don't know if this list is "Final" or whether the list simply states what will be included as of now and is subject to change....

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:26 PM
drool.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:29 PM
No flyable B-17 - groan

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:36 PM
COOL oleg is going mainstream. ABOUT time .sheesh

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 08:36 PM
So Gibbages PBY, (not mentioned above), will never have a cockpit and never be flyable in this nor the next sim? I'm reading this correctly, right? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:03 PM
I hope the PBY makes it. I thought Gib said the interior would be done by December. I don't know if that's too late for inclusion into FB.....

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:05 PM
no Allied flyable bombers and the bf110 as 'maybe'?

Guess only Germans will fly bombers in FB?



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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:30 PM
Recon_609IAP wrote:
- no Allied flyable bombers and the bf110 as 'maybe'?

Same here: /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
More dogfights ?
NO - FB needs more light bombers and some new ground-attacking aircrafts for "blue".

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:37 PM
cc. there is this great collection of allied bombers in FB but all are non flyable.




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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:45 PM
I agree with Recon's disappointment. There should be parity.. Bombers for both sides, ground attack, etc. The Me110 would have been a good addition vs the IL2. The B17 or B24, or even the Lancaster would be good since the OKL have He-111's.

Kinda hurts all the historical arenas that everyone has been playing, and other concepts that were in the works.

But hey, we get the A6M5... Lot's of those were flown on the eastern/western German front... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:45 PM
Alarming: there will be more US planes in FB than there are German! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:47 PM
Hi I wanted to add, I love Japanese aircraft /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , but who desided to add the Ki84? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . It is a nice aircraft but I think it was only used late in the war. Better Army aircraft would be the Ki43, ki61 not the Ki84,,,

IL2 is not like Microsoft games, I hope it does not get to 100s of addons and people in really stupid dogfights. Japanese aircraft and German V English and Italian in the pacific hahaha. So no Spit is better I think /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 09:48 PM
Hi I wanted to add, I love Japanese aircraft /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , but who decided to add the Ki84? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . It is a nice aircraft but I think it was only used late in the war. Better army aircraft would have been the Ki43, ki61! not the Ki84,,,

IL2 is not like Microsoft games, I hope it does not get to the stage where there are 100s of addons and people in really stupid dogfights. Japanese aircraft and German V English and Italian in the pacific hahaha. So the less the better I think /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

One part of me is looking forwards to this but the other isn't. I see bad things ahead,,


Message Edited on 10/05/0309:56PM by HD_Erik30023

XyZspineZyX
10-05-2003, 10:09 PM
I just hope the Spitfire (Mk.IX, & Mk.XIV), Tempest, & B-24 make it in somehow. These planes are really needed with the new maps IMHO.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:19 AM
I thought the 110 was finished ages ago ? Unless they're holding it back for the BoB thing....


Lixma,

Blitzpig.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:29 AM
Lixma wrote:
- I thought the 110 was finished ages ago ? Unless
- they're holding it back for the BoB thing....
-
-
-
- Lixma,
-
- Blitzpig.
-


I read somewhere else that the reason the 110 isn't listed as a definite flyable is the gunner station is really high poly and not finished.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:48 AM
The list is fluid(ie. NOT final).

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:12 AM
If they can't fix the dammage models, why bother adding planes left and right ?? If they can't fix the "elevator control dammage, rudder dammage" that comes so easily in a IL2, I will not buy any add-ons... worst FB is unfinished, no Pe2, no TU2S.... they add another version of TB3... have they ever figured out the plane was just a curiosity for few days when FB came out ?? And no one, or almost have no interest in it ?

It's been asked here by a lot of people to have Pe2's and TU2S flyable, yet no one seems to listen...

Maddox now seing a lot of green stamps coming in are simply trying to get the US market in, and they are yet discarding the Spits..

Inconceivable what this sim is turning into... no 'modern' bombers for the VVS and yet so many for the Luftwaffe...

A shame, I was on the forefront to promote 1C Maddox, the way its going on, I'll be history soon...

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10-06-2003, 02:14 AM
The Bf-110 is only a possibility? That's disappointing /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:15 AM
No big bombers......./i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:37 AM
3 Mustang variants + another if you count the freeware one which has a different gunsight /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

and yet the Bf-110 only will be flyable in one variant... POSSIBLY.... *cries* I like C-4/Bs

yeah hopefully this lst will under go a lot of changes before its finalized.

looks good for the most part though.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:42 AM
How are the Ardennes and Normandy maps going to be used without Spitfires? Re Write History? And I guess the VVS really didn't use about 1500 of them on the eastern front, either. But hey, we get the Zero! That will look great over Leningrad /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif They already had a winter paintscheme if I remember rightly, the white ones /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:13 AM
I'm with Hangar! No flyable Pe2, and not *any* new allied bomber, is a crime. We are willing to *pay* for it!! And the Bf-110 "maybe"??? It seems like we are being punished by Ubi...


DRHangar wrote:
- If they can't fix the dammage models, why bother
- adding planes left and right ?? If they can't fix
- the "elevator control dammage, rudder dammage" that
- comes so easily in a IL2, I will not buy any
- add-ons... worst FB is unfinished, no Pe2, no
- TU2S.... they add another version of TB3... have
- they ever figured out the plane was just a curiosity
- for few days when FB came out ?? And no one, or
- almost have no interest in it ?
-
- It's been asked here by a lot of people to have
- Pe2's and TU2S flyable, yet no one seems to
- listen...
-
- Maddox now seing a lot of green stamps coming in are
- simply trying to get the US market in, and they are
- yet discarding the Spits..
-
- Inconceivable what this sim is turning into... no
- 'modern' bombers for the VVS and yet so many for the
- Luftwaffe...
-
- A shame, I was on the forefront to promote 1C
- Maddox, the way its going on, I'll be history
- soon...
-
- Salute !
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:00 AM
Xanty's Gladiator is a possible. That was the one I was hoping more than anything else. Something to match up with I~153. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Don't bash the Zero though, hopefully that will be sweet to fly. But the Nakajima Ki~43 would have been the most fun acrobatic plane possible for FB. Just to fly it without combat I would PAY for.

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 04:35 AM
OK folks, if Oleg and crew are no longer going to spend anymore time on IL-2/FB, what would stop him from opening the code for everyone?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:45 AM
Everyone RELAX. The list is NOT FINAL. Gibbage said that Oleg told him last month that he would continue to accept new models for another year. If that's true,we might expect several small DL-able add-ons with several new planes as 2004 rolls along. That's only speculation on my part,though. Don't worry. You might get your favorite plane yet.

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Zayets
10-06-2003, 10:45 AM
Well, at least IAR is on the list.That's somthing good. BUT NO DAMN ALLIED BOMBER! B-24 or B-17? Hmmmm....

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:08 PM
Sounds fine to me!!!

I´ll gladly pay for an addon for this excellent game.

My only hope is that Gladiator will be flyable and my dissapointment of Hawk 75 beeing only AI is great.
But atleast we got Fiat G50 flyable..http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).


But nevertheless I´ll pay for this addon.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:22 PM
Timex62 wrote:
- OK folks, if Oleg and crew are no longer going to
- spend anymore time on IL-2/FB, what would stop him
- from opening the code for everyone?
-
-I hope that never happens. Mods and cheats! No thanks I'll pass and stick to what Oleg leaves us with.
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:40 PM
Whining-whining-whining-whining, that's all you f*ckin' idiots are good for. Makes me sick.

You paid 40 $ for FB, you're getting a free add-on and a cheap add-on to boot and you just whine away all of you. "Me want that plane, me want this plane, boohoo, I don't like". Morons. See if you can go and get more fun out of those few $ anywhere else.

Thanks for ruining what used to be a great community.



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:50 PM
Does anyone have more specifics of the new maps? How large, and the area covered?

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 01:54 PM
We've got several spits and other RAF aircraft in development.

- Whirlwind
- Tempest (its nearly done from what I can tell)
- Typhoon (thats a bit of a surprise but its looking quite good - late war model, should be able to convert Tempest cockpit I would think)
- Spitfire Mk V
- Spitfire Mk IX (some question as to whats happening there - still, if need be, conversion from V to IX shouldn't be hard)
- Spitfire Mk XIV (with clipped and non-clipped wings apparently)
- Beaufighter (I think the intention was to make it flyable)

SO...here's hoping that the guys get these done on time. I surely I want to see it!

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Zayets
10-06-2003, 02:02 PM
Peaches , Frey?
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:08 PM
While screenies posted of a complete model is cool, it does not at all mean that the plane is anywhere near done. The job it 3D modeling and texturing is no small job, but it's at the most 1/3 of it all. Getting data and tuning the input for matching performance for the FMs, and programming the DMs is one heck of a job. So, just lean back and don't panic because you're favourite plane is "modeled since ages" and yet not listed as flyable.
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:12 PM
I dont see the D520 listed.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 02:25 PM
I asked Oleg for clerification on what will happen to "left over" projects that dont make it into this first add-on. Lets wait till we here from him before we jump to conclusions. There are a lot of very exciting aircraft that are being modeled, and I agree. It would be a damn shame to not get them in.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:18 PM
I can't wait for the BOB version of FB even though I was kind of looking forward to the idea of a Mediterranean add on. Oh well. This will be without a doubt the best flight sim ever!

On a different note, when will the free add on most likely be released? I'm not whining but I'm just curious. If it comes out in time for Christmas, I'll be thrilled!

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 03:38 PM
So it will be Paid addon? That is not good for the game, since it will split the online community once again.. Was hoping it is free. .. atleast when it comes to BF-110, and Ju-88 (was really hoping to get these birds)

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 05:55 PM
Hi HaVoK. I should have been more specific. Certainly I do not want to see the kind of chaos seen with CFS2 but perhaps Oleg could 'sub-contract' work to trusted pesonnel who wish to add to the game. Please don't take this as a whine, it is not intended to be anything close. I simply hope for the possibility for expanding this superb sim in the future. Thanx.