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Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 09:12 AM
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XyZspineZyX
05-21-2006, 09:27 AM
Looks like a monster, what firepower did it possess?

Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 09:50 AM
4xMg151/20mm + 1xMk108/30mm or 4xMG151/15mm + 1xMk103/30mm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

all close to center line. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Kwiatos
05-21-2006, 10:41 AM
I hope Tempest V 11lb+ will come also...
It will be good if before Ta152C come they will fix roll rate of Ta152H which is very dubtfull actually.

XyZspineZyX
05-21-2006, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
4xMg151/20mm + 1xMk108/30mm or 4xMG151/15mm + 1xMk103/30mm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

all close to center line. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

I gather it was 2 20mm cannon in the wing roots, 2 on top of the engine similar to the D9 & the 30mm through the propellor hub?

I think this baby will have a Tempest for breakfast.

tigertalon
05-21-2006, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by dasriech:
I gather it was 2 20mm cannon in the wing roots, 2 on top of the engine similar to the D9 & the 30mm through the propellor hub?


Yes.
Not only firepower, ammo duration is also VERY impressive: 250 rpg for cowling twin Mg151/20s, 175 for wing root guns and 90 shells for engine howitzer... Sounds like a bloody ammo train car to me!

OldMan____
05-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Pitty it will probably be banned everywhere.

Also I don´t even know why someone would want a mk108 with already 4 151/20. In fact another 151/20 would be bether ( same trajectory). And blody hell if 5 x 151/20 is not neough firepower.. so I really don´t know what firepower is.

tigertalon
05-21-2006, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by OldMan____:
Pitty it will probably be banned everywhere.

Also I don´t even know why someone would want a mk108 with already 4 151/20. In fact another 151/20 would be bether ( same trajectory). And blody hell if 5 x 151/20 is not neough firepower.. so I really don´t know what firepower is.

Agree, 103 would be nice in the nose, but I'd take 151/20 over 108 any day...

5 Mg151/20s close to centerline with nearly unlimited ammo sounds pretty scary to me (as a newborn tempest jock http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

NagaSadow84
05-21-2006, 02:38 PM
Ta 152 C-0 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-1 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-2 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-3 = 3x MK 103, 2x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-4 = 3x MK 103, 2x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-5 = 5x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-6 = 5x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-7 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-8 = ?
Ta 152 C-9 = ?
Ta 152 C-10 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20
Ta 152 C-11 = 1x MK 108, 4x MG 151/20

XyZspineZyX
05-21-2006, 03:06 PM
Therefore the current ingame TA152H is the high altitude interceptor designed specifically to take down bombers, the TA152C what is its tactical use? & does it have the same performance as its cousin.

OldMan____
05-21-2006, 03:11 PM
Its tatical use is to stop near a hot girl in the road and say " hey, wanna ride in my new cool plane? " Also very usefull to make red players jealous.

Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by dasriech:
Therefore the current ingame TA152H is the high altitude interceptor designed specifically to take down bombers, the TA152C what is its tactical use? & does it have the same performance as its cousin.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/Fw2019020A-82C20A-920performance20c.jpg

You can see in this chart that is faster then the H version at a wide range of altitudes. from 2000m to almost 10.000m is faster.
The C should be a great mid and high altitude fighter.
The DB 603 engine is lighter then the Jumo, so it should make up for the extra guns. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It should be slower then Dora on the deck but should turn better since it has one meter wider wingspan.
We will see.

diomedes33
05-21-2006, 04:13 PM
The addition of this aircraft convinced me to buy the addons. The combination of firepower and speed is awesome and hard to beat. I hope the 11 lb Tempest sneaks in at the last minute make for some interesting fights.

Kwiatos is the rollrate for the Ta-152H too fast or to slow?


Originally posted by OldMan____:
Pitty it will probably be banned everywhere.

IMHO it has as much right to be on a server as a Mustang Mk III, unless they are chassing V-1s over the channel.

Megile_
05-21-2006, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by diomedes33:

IMHO it has as much right to be on a server as a Mustang Mk III, unless they are chassing V-1s over the channel.

Why? prey tell why you believe Mustang III's only carried out anti-diver missions

carguy_
05-21-2006, 04:59 PM
Hope 2x20mm only loadout will be available.Don`t see any sense in deploying so heavily armed fighter instead few Me262.

I think of it as the Focke Wulf LW pilots have been waiting for.

diomedes33
05-21-2006, 05:54 PM
Originally posted by Megile_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by diomedes33:

IMHO it has as much right to be on a server as a Mustang Mk III, unless they are chassing V-1s over the channel.

Why? prey tell why you believe Mustang III's only carried out anti-diver missions </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew that was going to bite me. I should have said a P-63 on the western front.

I believe this to be true due to a couple people I trust and that own more World War II books then I could afford in a life time. Plus everything I remember reading has stated that the Mustang III was used for homeland defense. It also makes sense that an aircraft known to have a vulnerable engine and weaker guns, and really fast to use in this capacity.

I don't want to side track the thread, just point me to a source that shows otherwise. I'm curious.

Daiichidoku
05-21-2006, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
It should be slower then Dora on the deck but should turn better since it has one meter wider wingspan.



so.....its basically an A6 with an extra cannon and vulernable liquid cooling?

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Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by diomedes33:

I knew that was going to bite me. I should have said a P-63 on the western front.

I believe this to be true due to a couple people I trust and that own more World War II books then I could afford in a life time. Plus everything I remember reading has stated that the Mustang III was used for homeland defense. It also makes sense that an aircraft known to have a vulnerable engine and weaker guns, and really fast to use in this capacity.

I don't want to side track the thread, just point me to a source that shows otherwise. I'm curious.

Go to White One Fundation and see what shot down the famos White One in Norway.

Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 07:00 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:


so.....its basically an A6 with an extra cannon and vulernable liquid cooling?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Yep, if you dont care about the 100km/h speed advantage. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

HayateAce
05-21-2006, 07:01 PM
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Jaws2002
05-21-2006, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
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Pay your bill Hayate and we'll see the pics. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

HayateAce
05-21-2006, 09:52 PM
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CUJO_1970
05-21-2006, 11:10 PM
Hayate-tard:

This thread is about Focke-Wulfs, not planes that were mere copies of Focke-Wulfs.

JG53Frankyboy
05-22-2006, 02:25 AM
well, the planed foe for the Ta152C in the VVS'46 AdOn will be more the Yak-3 VK-107.
with 611km/h at Sealevel and 720km/h at 5750m.
armed with two B-20 canons.

WOLFMondo
05-22-2006, 03:33 AM
The Ta152C is gonna be awesome. Can't wait to fly it offline or online.


Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Hayate-tard:

This thread is about Focke-Wulfs, not planes that were mere copies of Focke-Wulfs.

Thats a Seafury wannabe :P

alert_1
05-22-2006, 06:00 AM
well, the planed foe for the Ta152C in the VVS'46 AdOn will be more the Yak-3 VK-107.
with 611km/h at Sealevel and 720km/h at 5750m.
armed with two B-20 canons.
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..or La 7R with raketenmotor in its as* http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

mynameisroland
05-22-2006, 07:08 AM
I cannae wait to fly this bad boy, the C was the one I always like as a kid. 4 x Mg151 plus Mr 108 through the hub means that even Olegs delta wood wonders will be limping home for an early bath.

I hope she flies like a half way between the Dora 9 44 and the Ta 152 H. One thing I never really like Daimler Benz engines in IL" Im hoping the DB 603 has a little more grunt without relying on frying its a_ss of with MW 50 all of the time.

Frank_Thring
05-22-2006, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by dasriech:
Therefore the current ingame TA152H is the high altitude interceptor designed specifically to take down bombers, the TA152C what is its tactical use? & does it have the same performance as its cousin.

Ta 152C had a wing span and area greater than that of the Fw 190D but smaller than that of the Ta 152H. According to Rudiger Kosin writing in "The German figher"
Fw 190D 10.46 span, 18.3 sq meters area
Ta 152C 10.7m span, 19.6 sq meters area
Ta 152H 14.5m span, 23.3 sq meters area

The Ta 152C should thus roll and probably dive better than the Ta 152H and be faster at low altitudes though less manouverable at high altitudes. Ta 152C had a Daimler Benz DB603 engine as opposed to the Jumo 213E-1 of the Tq 152H.

These new wings were wood with twin steel spars.

I believe that the Fw 190A-10 was also to receive a new wing larger to compensate for its weight growth and to substitute wood for scarce aluminium; perhaps this was to be the same as that of the Ta 152C?

The Fw 190 series used a twin spar (as opposed to single spar as on Me 109 and Spit) all aluminium wing that had minumum penetrations of radiators and was thus torsionaly very stiff and did not suffer from the aeroelastic twist that limited roll. Ironically although while the Fw 190 had a beatifull soft stall when flying slow it had a harsh stall when manouvering that was so severe the aircraft would flip into a spin. Recovery was quick and relatively easy and this became a standard manouver for getting an enemy of the tail as no other aircraf could follow it. A focke-wulf report said that it was caused by distortion of the wing tips under heavy manouvering load that reduced the washout this would remove the negative twist or washout. After the stall the recovery would be quick and usually only half a turn. (Unlike the P51 which had a difficult recovery of typically 6 spins).

I don't know what the handling of the Ta 152C would be like given the new wing, new spars etc. Ta 152H roll rate was reduced but that seems to be due to the huge span. Spitfire roll rate improved from I think the Spit 24 onwards when its wings were somehow stiffened.

luftluuver
05-22-2006, 03:44 PM
The wing span of the 152C was 11.0m. A 25cm plug was added each side to move the u/c pivot point due to the larger wheels (740x210). (ref D Harmann)

Hermann makes no mention of wooden wings, though some parts of the 190s had wooden parts.

Harmann also notes that the Ta152V6 had stability problems with a too rear CG.

faustnik
05-22-2006, 04:07 PM
The Ta152C should be interesting to test fly, but, as I can't find any evidence of combat use, I can't get that excited about it. Like I said, should be interesting though.

VW-IceFire
05-22-2006, 04:23 PM
Originally posted by diomedes33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by diomedes33:

IMHO it has as much right to be on a server as a Mustang Mk III, unless they are chassing V-1s over the channel.

Why? prey tell why you believe Mustang III's only carried out anti-diver missions </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I knew that was going to bite me. I should have said a P-63 on the western front.

I believe this to be true due to a couple people I trust and that own more World War II books then I could afford in a life time. Plus everything I remember reading has stated that the Mustang III was used for homeland defense. It also makes sense that an aircraft known to have a vulnerable engine and weaker guns, and really fast to use in this capacity.

I don't want to side track the thread, just point me to a source that shows otherwise. I'm curious. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Most of the RAF Mustang IIIs were used either with ADGB in the anti-V1 patrols as well as tactical missions over the continent. Sometimes armed with bombs of the 500lb or 1000lb variety. When the V-1 threat subsided they flew escort missions for the RAF daylight raids in 1945 as well as some USAAF bomber escort duties at one point or another. In most of those cases during 1944 they were in the same configuration as our P-51C was (as opposed to our Mark III which is a +25lb boost) in terms of boost. By 1945 my unsupported guesss is that they were running +25 regularly for those fighter sweeps and escort runs. Also note that a great number of RAF Mustang squadrons were either Polish or Canadian pilots (Canadians with Rece Mustang Is) and squadrons.

And not to completely sidetrack the thread...the Ta-152C I think is neat and appropriate in the situation. Its no more appropriate than the Yak-3 VK-108 engine or the other super fighters we're getting. If I had the resources I'd probably start an "alternate history" server that ran scenarios with these types of aircraft. IF used in the context presented then they present no "uber" fighter problems. But if presented in serious historical matchups then it can be a problem. But we're already pretty good at sorting that out...we run our Mustangs against late war 109s and we run our Zero's against Wildcats and P-40s and our Cr.42s and MC.200s against Hurricane IIs and its all good.

The Ta-152C offers a neat look at the final low altitude Focke Wulf and its quite a hotrod!

HayateAce
05-22-2006, 04:36 PM
No mynameisRonaldMcDonald,

It's about a plane that was going on active duty in 1945 and will pwn your vulcher bird....and I DO mean pwn.

Badsight.
05-22-2006, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
No mynameisRonaldMcDonald,

It's about a plane that was going on active duty in 1945 and will pwn your vulcher bird....and I DO mean pwn. Bearcats only 1945 era weakness is its lack of top speed

Ta-152 could just leave it in the dust , as could the D13 Dora which you ought to be very thankfull we dont have , & if the VVS get the La-9 in this game youll be seeing lots of 20mm rounds blowing holes in your Bearcats airframe

be sure

mynameisroland
05-23-2006, 04:14 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
No mynameisRonaldMcDonald,

It's about a plane that was going on active duty in 1945 and will pwn your vulcher bird....and I DO mean pwn.

Whooo hoo Hataytaysmacktardace has gotten his ****** pass renewed and is free to post s_hite again in every single thread!

WOLFMondo
05-23-2006, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
If I had the resources I'd probably start an "alternate history" server that ran scenarios with these types of aircraft. IF used in the context presented then they present no "uber" fighter problems. But if presented in serious historical matchups then it can be a problem.

Sounds like a fun idea. I certainly look forward to co-ops with this plane in. And its certainly one I will fly offline.
I http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif Kurt Tanks planes!

HotelBushranger
05-23-2006, 06:30 AM
For once, I am really looking forward to a late war plane, this one just looks kick arse!

Xiolablu3
05-23-2006, 06:45 AM
Looks interesting, but I never really got on with the Ta152H.

Will have to give it another try sometime. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The armament looks amazing.

Xiolablu3
05-23-2006, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by HayateAce:
No mynameisRonaldMcDonald,

It's about a plane that was going on active duty in 1945 and will pwn your vulcher bird....and I DO mean pwn.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I think he sees all people with Fw190s in their sig as the same person.

p1ngu666
05-23-2006, 07:21 AM
cool, just what we always wanted and needed, another late war uber lw fighter that played no role in the war...

mynameisroland
05-23-2006, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
No mynameisRonaldMcDonald,

It's about a plane that was going on active duty in 1945 and will pwn your vulcher bird....and I DO mean pwn.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I think he sees all people with Fw190s in their sig as the same person. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I think he isnt the 'full shilling' if you catch my drift.

AFJ_Skyghost
05-23-2006, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Jaws2002:
Coming at a six o'clock near you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

1946 Addon @ SimHQ (http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_019f.html)


http://www.focke-wulf190.com/images/152v7_2.jpg

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Finally you ll get a plane that might allow you to dogfight my Spit without crash n burn.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

diomedes33
05-23-2006, 11:07 AM
Thanks IceFire for the informative post.

Bremspropeller
05-23-2006, 11:22 AM
ah, you gotta mean that "I have wingtransperancy on a slider" Spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Stealth - now if that ain't über-hardcore action http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif