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horseback
10-30-2005, 06:55 PM
Recently, I've had an absolutely horrific streak going. Working a 60 hour work week on a screwball schedule (4 hours one day, 16 the next), an ongoing battle with my ex over time with my kids, a new neighbor who had to be a total @ss (obnoxiously loud ranchera music at 11:30 on weeknights for starters) until I got (almost illegally) into his face, a two weeks without once winning at Solitaire in my stolen free moments, my football team losing heartbreaker after heartbreaker, and to top it all off, my current (I-16 Type 18) campaign was stuck on the 'Mission From Hell.'

You know the one I'm talking about: you waste most of your ammo chewing up enemy aircraft so that your wingmen can take them down, and then when you do get someone dead to rights, you lose your wing when the SOB explodes in your face-Refly.

Next try, you get a couple of kills, but when you have to take on a flight of Stukas, the screen goes black just as you get within 300m of the closest bomber (one of the gunners in a Stuka 600m away -above and to the left- nails you with asingle burst). Refly.

Next try, (incidentally, you're flying #2 in your formation for twenty minutes before you make contact) things go fairly well untill you head back to base out of ammo with a couple of 109s under your belt, when just short of your home field, a pair of Me-110s swoop in and --black screen. Refly.

Next try. Enemy leader takes his 109F-2 low, crossing behind your cowl and then, when you roll over and catch him, his wingman collides with you, and you can't get out in time. Refly.

Rinse, wash, and repeat once for eight straight days. Fight the near overwhelming urge to rip the CD out of your drive and throw it as hard as you can, or snap it into as many pieces as possible.

Instead of being a refuge from the stresses of day-to-day life, FB was adding to it. I needed a break from my favorite diversion.

I took two weeks off, just flying non combat QMBs and FMBs. I highly recommend the aerial tour of Leningrad in the summer in the P-40- lots of bridges to fly under.

Tanned, rested and ready, I took on the Mission From Hell again this afternoon. Four sure kills later, I'm winchester, and my lone remaining wingie and I are trying to maneuver away from those last two pesky 110s. My wingman never fires his guns, so I'm thinking he's out of bullets too. During the running fight back to base, two more damaged Stukas crash, to my credit, but the enemy leader keeps trying to nail me in spite of a smoking port engine.

He and his number 2 keep chasing us down, we keep breaking into their guns, taking an occasional stray round from their gunners, sliding behind and safely below, bitterly regretting those early wasted bursts, watching them pull away with their greater top speed, until the leader's port engine finally quits, and he turns away.

For a moment, his number two follows him, and we think we're free, but he comes back after us by himself. Sh*t. Once again, we go round and round, inching back towards our base, avoiding the rear gunner and making him take the hardest possible headon angles for a shot.

5 km from base, he comes at us one last time. The mission has lasted over an hour at this point, and I'm getting nervous. How long can we last?

I've lost five wingmen, my fuel has to be getting low, my wingman has been more or less ignored by the enemy (I'm assuming that his ammo state is well known to them), this 110 has taken far fewer of the shots during the earlier part of this chase and has to have plenty of ammo left, and I really need to get to the bathroom. On top of all that, it's just a couple of minutes to kickoff.

Then the flak starts popping all around our tormenter. I see a big chunk of his tail fly off, and at the same moment, my engine dies. Out of fuel, I'm safely above 600m, so I hit CTL-E, and float safely to the bosum of Mother Russia.

I hit Escape, and after clicking on Quit Mission and the obligatory wait for the mission to be digested, I get the long awaited 'Apply' option and learn that I picked up a seventh kill somewhere along the line. I click on 'Apply' and run for the bathroom while the inevitable fat chick is warbling 'The Star-Spangled Banner'.

It's great to be back.

cheers

horseback

LStarosta
10-30-2005, 07:48 PM
Dude... put the joystick down and go for a run or something...

han freak solo
10-30-2005, 07:57 PM
Yeah, run out and get some beer! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dew-Claw
10-30-2005, 11:53 PM
Imagine how he's going to feel when he goes to load that next mission, and realizes that he had to "go" so bad he rushed clicking the apply button and it didn't take.


Refly.

Udidtoo
10-31-2005, 12:19 AM
You forgot about the one where you have used up all your rounds because that wingman has 3 kills and just starting to be useful and you couldn't leave (although he assuredly would have you)

Now your feeling good. 5 clicks out and the tower is just over that hill SW of Lvov. You know your safe because you took down 3 and you are certain you saw the other 3 burning.

So your starting to tell yourself congrats because that one wasn't bad. Only 27 reflies and yo..........what the he** was that long stutter??That was almost like a spawning stutter. Then you see them the 1 in every 78 mission "Spawn right by your own fikkin field in mid air pair of F2's. What a fantabulous time to be low and slow. Your AAA is as likely to hit you as them. As you drift down 25 seconds later your last clear non foul language thought for the next 10 minutes is "Hmmm, F4's could have sworn they where 2's.

HotelBushranger
10-31-2005, 04:30 AM
OMG Tell me about it!!!!

Fly to target area in an LaGG, first time round get one bomber, PKed by his mate. Second time, take out the same bomber but get taken down by escort. Third time, accidentally hit a Ju-88:controls froze, fourth, rammed another ones wing......it just doesn't end does it?

But when you finally finish it, it makes it THAT more satisfying http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FlatSpinMan
10-31-2005, 05:21 AM
I've been having a merry bloody time of it taking on luftwaffe in my Rata type 18(no cannons, just jellybeans)with my three pacificist wingmen.
This one mission, no 17 in the campaign if you must know, has nailed me every which way 7 times. I've been PKed, had my wing shot off twice, crashed on take-off (own goal), had my engine taken out, been mortally wounded, blown up in one burst...
Last night I lasted for about 20mins in this insane dogfight - thought for sure the 109s were going to give up after having expended all their ammo on me, the sole Republican survivor, in our nerve-wracking loop the loop in and out the dusty blue bells flight conducted whole centimetres above the grass.But no, just as I think I'm going to get away with the impossible, one of them glides in and severs my wing. It was fun, kind of, before that point though. I'd turn on to one pair's tail (there were 6 0r 7 109s versus me) only to spot another pair sneaking up behind me so I'd roll and turn into them, in the process of which I'd have to jink beneath the oncoming fire and then the plane itself of the other three or four 109s that were toying with me. I took a screen shot which showed 4 planes quite clearly in the frame- an indicator of how close we all were.
I like the Rata and think I'm not bad in it but sometimes a bit of speed and the ability to drop the nose without freaking out about the engine cutting out would be nice... next campaign I'm going to be in a 109 or something decent. I want firepower and speed, darn it!!

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horseback
10-31-2005, 09:38 AM
It appears to me that every campaign has its "Mission From Hell" periodicity. For me, it works out to once every 12-18 missions in each campaign.

I had one mission in the 109F-2 Leningrad camaign where I got everything right (3 or 4 TB-3s and a pair of MiGs) the first time, and then had a wingman collide with me while landing. For two solid weeks, I was either getting shot down or shut out (steal killing by my supposed 'ace' wingmen is why I no longer tolerate 'ace' ai in my campaigns) twice a day, before I had to 'settle' for a couple of TB-3s and a safe landing.

In this case, though, during my 'leave', I also had the thought that instead of setting the convergence of the wing MGs (cannon) at my usual 150m and the nose guns at 250m, I just set them all for 200m. Coupled with the new DMs in 4.02m, I got a much more satisfying result from a relatively short burst. Stuka wings flame up quite nicely when you hit their 'sweet spot'.

All in all, though, I think that the real key was just getting away for a while.

cheers

horseback

PS-it didn't hurt that my Chargers smacked the Chiefs too

Doug_Thompson
10-31-2005, 09:51 AM
Note to self: I-16 Type 18 is slow, not well armed €" and jinxed.

horseback
10-31-2005, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Doug_Thompson:
Note to self: I-16 Type 18 is slow, not well armed €" and jinxed. Exactly. But think how much more dangerous the surviving Rata pilots become when they finally get a more competitive ride. A LaGG, a YaK, a MiG, or an Airacobra is going to be lots luckier, once I get past the summer of 1941, dontcha think?

cheers

horseback

BlackStar2000
10-31-2005, 11:11 AM
horseback

Its time to call your travel agent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BaldieJr
10-31-2005, 11:37 AM
I hava a similar mission. Only, you barely get a chance to take off.

4 million bombers attack our base while morning mist hangs everywhere. With those bombers comes wave after wave of fighters.

The morning mist makes vis to the east impossible (the suns glow is over modeled). The bombers get your AA first-thing.

The wave-upon-wave of 109's is just too much for me and my wingman.

I have no idea how many times I hit refly. I finally beat it by bailing out the moment I ran out of ammo.

horseback
10-31-2005, 12:21 PM
FlatSpinMan- I like the I-16 too, although I disagree with the jellybean theory-those 12.7s are much more effective in-game than the Mustang's M2s. They're more like hard candies or store brand throat lozenges now.

The engine doesn't seem to cut out as much now as it did with 4.01m, particularly if you kick your rudder a bit and roll/skid into your descent. I run a number of campaigns simultaneously, but I make a point of taking each campaign 5 missions at a time, so that I can acclimate to my rides. I also start my sessions with a joyride over the Smolensk map in QMB, usually looping over around and through the bridges in the downtown area.

If you can honk it under those two pedestrian bridges at the train station, spiral straight up and down back through them from the other direction (done it in a P-40 and a Mustang III, but Jugs and Lightnings just don't seem to fit), those 109s will never lay a glove on ya.

Bomber gunners, on the other hand...

cheers

horseback

danjama
10-31-2005, 01:35 PM
This is exactly why i dont play offline campaigns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Friendly_flyer
10-31-2005, 02:27 PM
I guess it's a matter of what you are willing to settle for. If I'm alive and behind my own lines, I hit apply.

It has brought me far, but I haven't anything like an impressive tally, nor have I advanced much. They allow me to fly as flight leader€s wingman now. It€s a step up from hangar broom man, I suppose.

FlatSpinMan
10-31-2005, 09:22 PM
@horseback - the info you mentioned about rudder before diving is a good one. In honesty I've only had my engine cut out a few times in 17 missions, mostly near the start. But I still hear that ominous change in sound sometimes when I'm rolling or diving. Keeps you sharp, I guess and definitely makes you think about what you are doing.
Like dthe comment about the armament, too.

@danjama - you're missing a treat, really. Most of the time the missions (in any campaign) are fun to try. I like the fact that they are Objective-based, not kill based. Try out a couple of campaigns and see how you like them.

@friendly-flyer - usually I'm not so exacting but this one mission I really wanted to beat for some reason. In the end, after maybe 9 attempts I just hit "Apply" before I plummeted wingless into the earth.
Then I got shot down in the next mission http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif.


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