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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 11:48 AM
I play the Forgotten Battles version 1.11. Could anyone send me a trackfile from a quick combat mission builder with full realism on, you flying a Me-109 E/F, encounter a I-16 with a veteran pilot as AI-opponent, where you shoot him down. Because I havnt ever been successful in this. Please send comments to like "after 1.10 I decided that... because of..."
Please send it to {email address removed}
Honestly
Zug




Message Edited on 10/20/0309:36AM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 11:48 AM
I play the Forgotten Battles version 1.11. Could anyone send me a trackfile from a quick combat mission builder with full realism on, you flying a Me-109 E/F, encounter a I-16 with a veteran pilot as AI-opponent, where you shoot him down. Because I havnt ever been successful in this. Please send comments to like "after 1.10 I decided that... because of..."
Please send it to {email address removed}
Honestly
Zug




Message Edited on 10/20/0309:36AM by Tully__

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:29 PM
Hi Zug, sorry you just reminded me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . I did not know you could fly the Me-109 but I'll try make one right now.



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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 12:56 PM
check ur email zugfuhrer

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XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 03:37 PM
Obviously I cant fly the Me-109. Otherwise it would be a piece of cake to down a pre-war fighter :-)

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 09:07 PM
It was you you who said Me-109 Zug /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , I dont even know what it is.

I tryed today to shoot down the I-16 and know what you mean, I also remembered that I never fly agains veteren AI pilots any more. Far too unrealistic, they can bend there bulits to hit you right in your engien or guns /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif , also pull turns that would kill a real person.

Could you also forward any trackes to me, want to see it too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Erik3003
I./JG53_Erik3003

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 09:58 PM
I tried this for the hell of it, and failed.

Mind you, I claim a draw, we were both out of ammo and I had him cold for ages, but EVERY time I got to EXACTLY 300 metres from his six he would pull some crazymad barrel rolls 5 feet off the ground and all I could do was take a few pecks at him. Slippery little beggar :-)

He was full of holes and had a fuel leak by the time I had finished, but was still flying merrily along.

I tried b n z initially, but no joy: I was surprised to find that with combat flaps, I soon got on his tail in a circle fight.

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 10:07 PM
If you want some hair-tearing frustration, try fighting an Ace I-16 using a Bf 109 E4. It is possible to win - I'm told. More a measure of how oddly the Ace AI behaves than any measure of the real-life I-16.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
10-19-2003, 10:56 PM
Becuase you are forced to enter the fight on the same alt and around the same speed it would be difficult to exploit the strong points of the 109 and at the same time you would be right were a i-16 would want you, forced to turn fight.Instead try to extend and build some speed so you can get above him and start B@Z.

Any way I will give this a try later today and see how it goes ,but never expect to out turn a i-16 thats not going to happen.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 12:57 AM
OK I made a track for you and I did it turn fighting man I'am impressed with the 109e it turns very well.

I allmost never fly axis planes so with practice this would be even more easy.And bye the way the Ai was on veteran

click the link to download it:

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/109e_v_i-16.zip

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Message Edited on 10/20/03 11:04AM by pourshot

Message Edited on 10/20/0311:08AM by pourshot

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 01:20 AM
I hope you got mine too. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 02:40 AM
And here is one against ACE Ai:


http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/109e4_v_i-16ace.zip


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No1_RAAF

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:23 AM
What ME did you use? I have never been able to come to close range 6 position on a I-16 when he/she knows where I am.
Zug

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:25 AM
I am refused to acess the link you gave the address to :-(

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:30 AM
zugfuhrer wrote:
- I am refused to acess the link you gave the address
- to :-(


Sorry mate I deleted them after it dropped to page 3 here you go.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/109e4_v_i-16ace.zip

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/109e_v_i-16.zip

I used the 109e4 but I'am not very good in axis planes so I'am sure if you practiced you could do much better. Good Luck mate /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 12:58 PM
I tried what you did Pourshot and got on his 6 easily. Ran out of ammo though haha /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .
Strange how BF does turn burn better than some aircraft, Lagg was anoying me with its powerfull engien on my 6, better to turn burn on him too for some reason.

I think this is maybe because you cannot boom zoom well with no hight advantage,

Erik3003
I./JG53_Erik3003

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 01:19 PM
If you are at the same alt and the same speed then it comes down to luck really,and dont forget that the Ai cheat a fair bit to make up for being stupid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also if you must turn in a 109 use the flaps it makes all the differance,And work out how far you can pull the stick before it stalls and adjust your joystick profile to suit. I see no point in haveing 100% set if you can only use 90% this way you will stall less .

Again I'am no expert in the 109's so maybe some one else could post some better tracks,I think there is no better way to show the new guys how it should be done.

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No1_RAAF

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 01:59 PM
And another way how it can be done here:

http://212.80.76.22/CSL_Kocour/Tracky/Bf109E4vsI1624Ace.zip

http://212.80.76.22/CSL_Kocour/Tracky/Bf109E4vs2xI1624Veteran.zip

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

and that way with the Fw190

http://212.80.76.22/CSL_Kocour/Tracky/A5vs4xLagg3IT10.zip

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:09 PM
Don´t take Kocour tracks to seriously he can fly a brick and shot down anything with it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . Just keep vertical, Ai sux in vertical manouvers. If online lure them high or call friends and slaughter em. I personally hate those green buggers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:37 PM
Just like Pourshot I'm not a BF-109 or B&Z specialist. I went his way a little further than he did--that is I couldn't kill the I-16 ace at the first pass and had to go into a tough turnfight, similar to some very good online fights against human opponents I had. Actually it was possible to prevent the Rata from getting at my six and shoot it down by making intense use of flaps, rudder and throttle. Here are two tracks. (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/plumps-BF109E4-I1624ace.zip)

On the other hand it was much less work and more fun to shoot down a BF-109 F-4 in an I-16. Here's a nice little track. (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/plumps-I1624-BF109F4ace.zip)


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Kampagne für IL-2 1.2: I-16 - Kampf im Kaukasus (Deutsch) (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/kampagne.html)

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 10:47 PM
NOW, a real challenge: KILL ACE P.11 with any german plane.

yay!
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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:54 PM
There you are: BF-109 E-4 vs. P-11c Ace (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/plumps-BF109E4-P11cAce.zip)

yay1 wrote:
- NOW, a real challenge: KILL ACE P.11 with any german
- plane.
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Kampagne für IL-2 1.2: I-16 - Kampf im Kaukasus (Deutsch) (http://home.arcor.de/rayluck/sturmovik/kampagne.html)

ZG77_Nagual
10-23-2003, 12:14 AM
Bah, at least 3 aces/i-16 or p11 vs 1 e4


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