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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:00 PM
Dear Staff at UBISOFT,

You've mesmerized us with Il-2, but now how about the real battles without which the outcome of the war would have been totally different? How about looking 90km south of Sicily and try out your hands at MALTA? Malta's role in the second world war was so significant, yet no game developer has ever tried to recreate the scenario on a games platform. Was the Maltese Gallantry to much for any avid gamer to catch up with, or is it possible that few really know what happened on this tiny rock?

Ask 249 Squadron veterans for example. 5 to 8 Spitfires would climb up to meet invading German and Italian Bombers escorted by over 20 fighters. That would chunk up a lot of RAM but wouldn't you love yo shoot down an Me then?

This is just a suggestion, but anyone with interest in dogfighting and some knowledge in World War II history knows that this is a classic in waiting, and I'm sure Ubi Soft have the talent to create this game.

SO, ARE YOU ONWARD TO MALTA NOW?


Thanks,
Alistair Farrugia
Malta

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:00 PM
Dear Staff at UBISOFT,

You've mesmerized us with Il-2, but now how about the real battles without which the outcome of the war would have been totally different? How about looking 90km south of Sicily and try out your hands at MALTA? Malta's role in the second world war was so significant, yet no game developer has ever tried to recreate the scenario on a games platform. Was the Maltese Gallantry to much for any avid gamer to catch up with, or is it possible that few really know what happened on this tiny rock?

Ask 249 Squadron veterans for example. 5 to 8 Spitfires would climb up to meet invading German and Italian Bombers escorted by over 20 fighters. That would chunk up a lot of RAM but wouldn't you love yo shoot down an Me then?

This is just a suggestion, but anyone with interest in dogfighting and some knowledge in World War II history knows that this is a classic in waiting, and I'm sure Ubi Soft have the talent to create this game.

SO, ARE YOU ONWARD TO MALTA NOW?


Thanks,
Alistair Farrugia
Malta

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:07 AM
I hope they will listen, Kerosine, a Malta add-on would have been great. Who knows, they may change their mind, anything is possible...

At least flying over a blue and turquoise sea feels a bit like a holiday...!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:06 AM
Malta should be covered in a Med/N.Africa theatre.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:12 AM
If you're saying the Battle of Britain is unimportant, then I disagree with you. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 06:01 AM
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Message Edited on 10/10/0310:01PM by BlackPhenix

Kerosine18
07-29-2004, 05:14 AM
Sorry for such a late post...

I never said the BoB was unimportant and i'll never claim that, yet the war over Malta was so immersive that BoB veterans could see the big difference themselves as well.

Here pilots had to cope with very limited (cheap) food, very limited fighters, and constant scrambles (the enemy had raids 4-6times a day, both during the day and the night). It would be awesome if we had the possibility for a Med game with the maltese islands in the middle, north africa and sicily/south italy to the north.

cr42s, savioias, bfs and fws for the axis, and spits, hurris, swordfish and beaufighters for the allies...add to that aircraft carriers and our dream game would come true (at least for maltese fans like me).

i'm sure oleg and staff will come out with a wonderful game if they commit themselves 100% to this issue. thanks!!

alistair (kerosine)

pacettid
07-29-2004, 05:26 AM
If my memory serves me correctly you are probably going to have to wait awhile for Malta.

I think the discussion went something like...Oleg had to fight Ubi just to give us the MT Desert map, as they plan to release a MTO combat flightsim after the release of BoB in 2005. That's why we have only one Pacific Map (albeit, with two versions of trees), so that there is no thunder stealing from PF.

If that's true it's too bad, as I would love to fly the unfriendly skies over Malta http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

All the best, Don

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2004, 05:38 AM
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Hello,

Take a map of Tunisia and take the map of the desert in FB/AEP and you shall see that they are very similar. Only distances are different, I think it is something like one for 10 in reality ! Malta is ther on the map somewhere on the north east ! Is i not ?

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Make some missions and maybe even a campaign, go do it ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

bazzaah2
07-29-2004, 05:50 AM
was thinking that we mainly needed a map; current planseset shd be just about OK? If we have one (and unable to check), then some brave soul (cough Kerosine cough) can go ahead and make a campaign. Would be a lot of fun, esp. to have an Allied base from which to operate, outside of mainland Yurp at least.

Can we have convoys too? Are they specified as an object in FMB?

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Dunkelgrun
07-29-2004, 10:53 AM
Iron Skies have been running a Malta online war for a while, using the Gulf of Finland map as a substitute. Our squad are doing rather well defending the island (apart from me that is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif).
It will be nice to have a proper Med map one day though.
Cheers!

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2004, 12:32 PM
Funny you should mention that.

Targetware (http://www.targetware.net) is hard at work at a mod called Target:Tobruk (http://targettobruk.twsim.net/), which I'm proud to say I gave the first little push of suggestion, and then got a ton of help from some Italian enthusiasts who have got almost the entire Regia Aeronautica fighter lineup in late stages of completion!! Soon, a bunch of 109s will appear to round out the Axis planeset, and we're already borrowing some planes from Target:Rabaul, like the P-40E, B-25C, and a few other notables. My first plane contribution, the Gloster Gladiator is in deep stretch too.

This will be the FIRST Mediteranean theatre flight sim done RIGHT. Our 1;1 scale map is no "dogfight kludge map" it's the real deal, from Tunisa on the west, to Cairo on the east, and includes Sicily, Malta, the boot of Italy and even Greece (but for now, we're not developing that part of the map just yet).

We're concentrating on Malta, N. Africa in all it's phases from '41 - 43, Tunisa and the Sicily invasion. All will be fleshed out with a bevy of historical campaigns and of course, some intelligent alternative history campaigns, too.

The terrain tiles are still in their infancy, but at least we got a half decent desert tile for N. Africa.

Check it out, and keep your eyes peeled. This one is moving very quickly towards launch!!

Capt._Tenneal
07-29-2004, 12:40 PM
Now how did I know, seeing this topic at the GD index and seeing stiglr's name as the last post that his reply would be about plugging Targetware ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-29-2004, 12:44 PM
What can I say?

You can settle for a half-arsed map with a few atolls and some sand on one end, or you can do it correctly.

I'm assuming the people interested in Malta and the Med campaigns might like to see a faithful map and some superior modeling too.

tttiger
07-29-2004, 01:03 PM
This what happens when the bean counters take over.

A Med Campaign in FB would have been great and had huge support but Ubi went for BoB instead. Numbnuts arcade pilots who have never heard of Malta or Tobruk all know about the Battle of Britain.

Ubi seems to forget that most of us knew very little about the Eastern Front and IL-2 now has a loyal following.

Sorry, but BoB has been done to death, the plane set is very limited. I'm sure if Oleg makes it, it will be very good but a Med campaign would have had much more variety and appealed to a great many more nationalities.

I'm sure I'll fly BoB and I'll probably enjoy it. But the Med would have been much better.

Targetware? Please, Stig. It was so awful, I took it off my hard drive. The only reason it's open code is that it is so obsolete it has no market value. Fun for amateur developers to play with but I never saw a really good product on it.

ttt

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XyZspineZyX
07-29-2004, 01:27 PM
You must not have been LOOKING for a good product then.

It's beta, to be sure, and there are issues to be worked out, but the flight model is already head and shoulders above this one.

The plane matchups turn out to be frighteningly close to what you read by people who were there. Fly the Zero, the P-40 here and then fly the same planes in Targetware. Night and day.

LeadSpitter_
07-29-2004, 02:03 PM
maddox said possibly a med addon for the BOB engine at one time in orr. I rather seen it thrown into PF/il2FB/AEP but with quality like the i185 cockpit.

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Ballbuster1
07-29-2004, 03:38 PM
Stiglr quote:
"It's beta, to be sure, and there are issues to be worked out, but the flight model is already head and shoulders above this one."

I see the crack sales are strong in your area Stiglr. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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jamesdietz
07-31-2004, 11:06 AM
May I add one little bit to this thread ...? I was for a Med campaign as well esp Malta & Crete & I do hope there will be eventual add-ons to the BoB game( & it might be worth the wait with the new platform that will be used inthat game- but it sure seems a long way off..) What I would like to recommend is the very good book Fortress Malta by James Holland ( I foumd a copy while passing thru Heathrow airport this Summer, paperback Phoenix Books)A big 450 page book very complete & well written ,really a must for someone interested in this Theatre of Operations....

XyZspineZyX
07-31-2004, 11:21 AM
Another good book to educate people as to what Malta was about:

Hurricanes Over Malta by Brian Cull and Frederick Galea (Grub Street Publishing)

A good companion to Hurricanes Over Tobruk by Cull and Don Minterne

Pentallion
07-31-2004, 11:50 AM
When the original IL2 came out they had a poll asking which theatre you'd like to see done next. The Med won followed very closely by WW1. The Pacific did well coming in a distant, but respectable third.

BoB only garnered about 4%, down there with Korean War.

So why does UBI think we would buy BoB in mass market but the Med would only be an addon?

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Dunkelgrun
07-31-2004, 01:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jamesdietz:
May I add one little bit to this thread ...? I was for a Med campaign as well esp Malta & Crete & I do hope there will be eventual add-ons to the BoB game( & it might be worth the wait with the new platform that will be used inthat game- but it sure seems a long way off..) What I would like to recommend is the very good book Fortress Malta by James Holland ( I foumd a copy while passing thru Heathrow airport this Summer, paperback Phoenix Books)A big 450 page book very complete & well written ,really a must for someone interested in this Theatre of Operations....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. Not long finished it myself. A very thorough history and enthralling read.
Cheers!

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XyZspineZyX
07-31-2004, 06:27 PM
There's been a lot of West-whining since then. Who knows what forces Oleg's listening to these days?

Kerosine18
08-01-2004, 04:29 PM
Well it seems i'm not the only one to favour a Med-based sim!

This pleases me, i'm sure i'll be still on my toes for such a sim next year, even if it had to be december 2005. for a good read, check our 'Malta Spitfire' from Buzz Beurling if you haven't yet read it. Best book i ever read about the war so far.

Couple more publications that really show the reader what it was like here between 1940 and 1942 is the official RAF account for that period, sent to the Air Ministry in London during the war itself, 1944.

The following are some parts from the book, introductory parts...

"...less than seven hours after Italy entered this war, the first raiders came to Malta..."

"From that day, 11th June 1940,... till winter 1942, ...the Battle of Malta was waged"

"Every theatre of war in the Mediterranean was within range of its (MALTA's) aircrafts.."

"By the end of 1942, 14,000 tons of bombs had fallen upon the 143 square miles of Malta & Gozo"

and as my conclusion, i pay my respect to Faith, Hope and Charity, three Gladiators that challenged the Regia Aeronautica...

" The Gladiators...took off to fight greatly superior numbers...but they were only three against all the Regia Aeronautica in Sicily. Yet by the 16th June they had forced the enemy into the luxury of fighter escprt for his bombers."

All these quotes were taken from 'The Air Battle of Malta'.

Awaiting 2005,

Kerosine

XyZspineZyX
08-01-2004, 09:02 PM
Faith's doing well...she's due for import into Target:Tobruk (http://www.targetware.net) any day now...