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cbazza
04-15-2005, 05:15 AM
Oleg said that it is likely that we will only get the A-4 as flyable.

I was wandering whether the other models (A-13, A-14, A-17, C-6) will be entirely scrapped or whether we will get them as a/i?

It would be great to have some different versions as targets etc to make missions a little more interesting (especially to fight against the heavy fighter type)

cbazza
04-15-2005, 05:15 AM
Oleg said that it is likely that we will only get the A-4 as flyable.

I was wandering whether the other models (A-13, A-14, A-17, C-6) will be entirely scrapped or whether we will get them as a/i?

It would be great to have some different versions as targets etc to make missions a little more interesting (especially to fight against the heavy fighter type)

jagdmailer
04-18-2005, 12:24 PM
Well, out of the 7 that were submitted to 1C, I would like to see at least 3 as flyable:

1. Ju 88A-4 "early"
2. Ju 88A-17
3. Ju 88C-6a

The others, ie. A-4 "late",A-13,A-14 & C-6a "field Mod" could be subsequently made as AI with the following order of priority:

A-14
A-4 "late"
C-6a "field Mod"
A-13

My 2 cents....

Cheers,

Jagd

JG53Frankyboy
04-18-2005, 03:37 PM
if the Ju88A-4 will be the only flyable version hopefully Maddox will ad torpedos as weapons !

sure, it will be not historical correct BUT, the Beaufighter Mk.21 also not carried torpedos and there are still a lot of other "wrong" loadouts in a lot of planes.............
the torpedoarmamanrt would add a lot to the gameplay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IIJG69-Niklaus
04-19-2005, 06:29 PM
****, not C6... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Antonio_MRZ
04-20-2005, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
if the Ju88A-4 will be the only flyable version hopefully Maddox will ad torpedos as weapons !

sure, it will be not historical correct BUT, the Beaufighter Mk.21 also not carried torpedos and there are still a lot of other "wrong" loadouts in a lot of planes.............
the torpedoarmamanrt would add a lot to the gameplay http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Strongly agree!
Germans need another torpedo bomber, the He.111 has very low survival rate in late war scenarios...

Antonio

Jippo01
04-20-2005, 09:03 AM
Don't make too many conclusions. At least A-4 will be flyable, this is official, rest isn't.

Wait and you will see.


-jippo

Jippo01
04-20-2005, 09:09 AM
And btw. If they make A-4 able to carry torpedoes, I will angrily protest to Oleg.

Beaufighter may have inaccuracies, but basic A-4 was not able to carry torpedoes, thus it should not in the game. A-4 Torp has not been modelled, so no torpedoes for A-4.


-jippo

LEXX_Luthor
04-20-2005, 10:02 AM
If they *can't* make torpedo version, here is the list in drop down menu...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Ju~88~A4
Ju~88~with torpedo
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This leaves A4 as stand alone "pure" A4, but offers torpedos for historical accurate torpedo missions.

Worst historical inaccuracy is not having any way to simulate Ju~88 torpedo missions.

For early "pure" A4 missions, we don't use torpedoes. For flying missions requiring torpedoes, we can use A4 torpedoes or we use nothing (using nothing is historically false).

Like they used Yak~1 for Spit~1 before the AEP (and now they use Spit~5 for Spit~1, to the frustration of the poor Email pilots.

Jippo01
04-20-2005, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
For early "pure" A4 missions, we don't use torpedoes. For flying missions requiring torpedoes, we can use A4 torpedoes or we use nothing (using nothing is historically false).

Like they used Yak~1 for Spit~1 before the AEP (and now they use Spit~5 for Spit~1, to the frustration of the poor Emil pilots http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No. A-4 Torp and A-4 are very different both externally and internally. Very poor compromise.


-jippo

LEXX_Luthor
04-20-2005, 10:46 AM
Okay...then they are going to have to make Flyable the torpedo version.

I just was thinking of an old FB 1.0 bug that made IL~4 bomber grafix totally invisible except for the radio antenna and the torpedo. Maybe something like that could work for "A4" torpedo bomber. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Relax jippo, I know you are Pure Artist. But if they *can't* make real 88 torpedo version, then extra "A4" torpedo version will bring more of the world's simmers into Ju~88 cockpit (anything to get them out of the internet dogfighter cockpits).

edit ~~&gt; Time for FB is short so A4 bomber is the best, and the most needed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Thankx!!!~

Jippo01
04-20-2005, 12:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Okay...then they are going to have to make Flyable the torpedo version.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts exactly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:

_Relax jippo_, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know I should. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But let's wait and see, god knows what the future will bring. But let's be hopeful! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Have fun!


-jippo

DarthBane_
04-21-2005, 08:33 AM
Most important for online play is the version with 3x20mm in the nose. I hope this will be taken into acount since we have b25 with front guns, mosquito is coming and he can shoot too as can pe2 (when it comes). I flew b25 recently a lot online and front guns are VERY important. Torpedo? Not realy important. Ai gunners are almost useles, exept if someone flies close and slow which rarely happens. To be in formation of bombers or attack tham is maybe the most interesting thing online.

LEXX_Luthor
04-28-2005, 07:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Most important for online play is the version with 3x20mm in the nose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We have 3x20mm in La~7 to score internet dogfight Brownie Points. We don't need Ju~88 for this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A4 is the most needed online, then the torpedo version. This may attract more hardcore flight simmers online. Looking at all the Silent Hunter fans here, these could make good bomber simmers/simmerettes.

avimimus
04-28-2005, 08:47 PM
I still think some of the other variants (C-6 as day train busters) and the A-13 would have a lot of appeal offline.

It is reported that the Pe-2 add-on will have all the variants. I hope this is true with the '88! Good Luck!

DarthBane_
04-29-2005, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Most important for online play is the version with 3x20mm in the nose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We have 3x20mm in La~7 to score internet dogfight Brownie Points. We don't need Ju~88 for this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A4 is the most needed online, then the torpedo version. This may attract more hardcore flight simmers online. Looking at all the Silent Hunter fans here, these could make good bomber simmers/simmerettes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You dont play online obviously if you can say such stuff. Most important online is to be protected from headon attacks and expose attacker to rear gunners. Fighters avoid to attack bombers with strong front guns headon. It also feels better to be armed than not to. You have he111 with torpedos, use it if you like launching torps that much. I prefere attacking airports with live targets on it. You can play with AI ships as much you like.

DarthBane_
04-29-2005, 08:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Most important for online play is the version with 3x20mm in the nose. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We have 3x20mm in La~7 to score internet dogfight Brownie Points. We don't need Ju~88 for this. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

A4 is the most needed online, then the torpedo version. This may attract more hardcore flight simmers online. Looking at all the Silent Hunter fans here, these could make good bomber simmers/simmerettes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also you say "we need". What group of people are you representing? Are you official representative of online players to claim that they need a4 online most?

LEXX_Luthor
04-29-2005, 07:07 PM
Well, when you say "online" without additional information, I naturally assume you mean 3x20mm Dogfight. Perhaps I was (choke) wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ju~88 ground attack strafer would be Aussom for Easter Front. Although we need basic bomber first. Oleg made the right decision here. We do need all Jippo~88s Flyable.

DarthBane:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
To be in formation of bombers or attack tham is maybe the most interesting thing online. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I missed this. Yes, this is very interesting, and ya I was wrong. But, I think A4 would be best for large bomber formations (I may be wrong here too).

goshikisen
04-29-2005, 11:22 PM
Speaking of AI Junkers 88 varients... how about this model?

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/JU188V2_01.jpg

PBNA-Boosher
04-30-2005, 08:54 AM
That's a Ju-188 dude.

fherathras
04-30-2005, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
Speaking of AI Junkers 88 varients... how about this model?

http://www.jagdgeschwader53.flugzeugwerk.net/ju88/Project/JU188V2_01.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


ju-188 mister http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

goshikisen
04-30-2005, 03:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
That's a Ju-188 dude. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not to sound too facetious... but I know it's a Ju-188. It's based on the Ju-88... if we're talking about variants we might as well drop this model in here because it's related to the 88 in the same way a D9 is a 190.