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Uk-Mule
01-10-2005, 01:26 PM
Now that we live in an era where fighter aircraft are more likely to resolve there differences in an air to air combat situations at Beyond visual range, what does the future hold for air to air combat with guns and heat seeking missiles the eye ball to eye ball stuff in real life, And more to the point where do we go from here in regards to combat flight simulation?



I personally like all the long distance air to air combat stuff (because I suck at close air to air) I like the tactics and thinking involved. This though to the non enthusiast is complete boredom in terms of making a flight simulation game that will sell well.

The WW2 flight sim has been covered with IL2, and all the popular jets have been done by now in some form or other.

As far as the future is concerned surely its non piloted aircraft where a €œremote pilot€ sits in a nice warm room and operates a highly manoeuvrable fighter that has no g-limit except its own structure constraints and fights his mission with all the comforts we enjoy. So aren€t we the most employable pilots of the future with some of us doing the combat flight simulation training for so many years? (I say this with tongue in cheek of course)

But I think it€s still an interesting question where do go from here for the future of flight simulation?

Cheers Uk-Mule

My Website (http://trippincrusade.co.uk/)

Uk-Mule
01-10-2005, 01:26 PM
Now that we live in an era where fighter aircraft are more likely to resolve there differences in an air to air combat situations at Beyond visual range, what does the future hold for air to air combat with guns and heat seeking missiles the eye ball to eye ball stuff in real life, And more to the point where do we go from here in regards to combat flight simulation?



I personally like all the long distance air to air combat stuff (because I suck at close air to air) I like the tactics and thinking involved. This though to the non enthusiast is complete boredom in terms of making a flight simulation game that will sell well.

The WW2 flight sim has been covered with IL2, and all the popular jets have been done by now in some form or other.

As far as the future is concerned surely its non piloted aircraft where a €œremote pilot€ sits in a nice warm room and operates a highly manoeuvrable fighter that has no g-limit except its own structure constraints and fights his mission with all the comforts we enjoy. So aren€t we the most employable pilots of the future with some of us doing the combat flight simulation training for so many years? (I say this with tongue in cheek of course)

But I think it€s still an interesting question where do go from here for the future of flight simulation?

Cheers Uk-Mule

My Website (http://trippincrusade.co.uk/)

flockzap
01-10-2005, 01:30 PM
Just gimme a good Corea and Vietnam Sim and I´ll buy it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifspecially Corea


Hey Oleg great idea hmmmm????? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Cheers

Flockzap

73GIAP_Milan
01-10-2005, 01:44 PM
still would love to see an up to date WWI sim or a good (Apache) Helisim - got a tendancy to love those too ^^

Uk-Mule
01-10-2005, 02:12 PM
Man i would love to see a good Heli sim!

Airmail109
01-10-2005, 02:15 PM
Duude, I would love to see the following:
BOB, a good world war 1 sim, a helicopter gunship sim, and a new x-wing sim.

JG7_Rall
01-10-2005, 02:16 PM
I'm looking forward to the Western Front done on BoB's engine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Airmail109
01-10-2005, 02:19 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not another westen front sim..........OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......Bring on World War 1, and the Meds!

NORAD_Zooly10
01-10-2005, 02:20 PM
ooohhh, a new X-Wing game would be nice. dammit how long has it been since the last really good Star Wars game?
~S~
Zooly

LStarosta
01-10-2005, 02:21 PM
I'm looking for a nice civil sim with a decent flight model. Been trying to get a hold of X-plane, but it's nowhere to be found.

GreyBeast
01-10-2005, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uk-Mule:
So aren€t we the most employable pilots of the future with some of us doing the combat flight simulation training for so many years? (I say this with tongue in cheek of course)

Cheers Uk-Mule
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you say it "tongue in cheek"? Ever wondered why "the bad guys" are always Middle Eastern-looking in video games these days and for the last couple of years?

joeap
01-10-2005, 03:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LStarosta:
I'm looking for a nice civil sim with a decent flight model. Been trying to get a hold of X-plane, but it's nowhere to be found. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Go here:
Official site (http://www.x-plane.com/)

or here:
fan site (http://www.x-plane.org/)

Download the demo (if you don't have it already) just to try it out (joystick disabled after 6 minutes). I might get it but don't have the time to invest in another sim right now.

Bearcat99
01-10-2005, 10:34 PM
Korea... WW1..... VietNam era..... Any WW2 sim that is better than this one I would buy in a heartbeat.

SHAKER214
01-10-2005, 11:21 PM
OK, Here's one no one has tried yet.... especially for all you Ground pounders out there.. it's always nice to get your ordnance on target right? How about a Civilian flight sim that revolves around aerial fire fighting? Smoke Jumpers fron Caribous, DC-6's and Herc's for Borate Bombers, ... possibly some Bucket dumps from Helo's....I know it would be a pretty demanding Sim Graphics-wise with all the smoke & Flames, but We have reached an age where the hardware is pretty amazing! Just imagine rippin' out of a low drop in your B-26...switch to external view.. and watch the thick smoke dance and swirl around in your prop wash!!!! I think it would be pretty awesome to fly into hell an' back!!! (I'm sure some of you have seen Richard Dreyfuss, John Goodman and Holly Hunter in the Movie "Always"). Just my thoughts... just dunno' why no one has done it yet.
SHAKER

TAGERT.
01-10-2005, 11:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uk-Mule:
Now that we live in an era where fighter aircraft are more likely to resolve there differences in an air to air combat situations at Beyond visual range, what does the future hold for air to air combat with guns and heat seeking missiles the eye ball to eye ball stuff in real life, And more to the point where do we go from here in regards to combat flight simulation?



I personally like all the long distance air to air combat stuff (because I suck at close air to air) I like the tactics and thinking involved. This though to the non enthusiast is complete boredom in terms of making a flight simulation game that will sell well.

The WW2 flight sim has been covered with IL2, and all the popular jets have been done by now in some form or other.

As far as the future is concerned surely its non piloted aircraft where a €œremote pilot€ sits in a nice warm room and operates a highly manoeuvrable fighter that has no g-limit except its own structure constraints and fights his mission with all the comforts we enjoy. So aren€t we the most employable pilots of the future with some of us doing the combat flight simulation training for so many years? (I say this with tongue in cheek of course)

But I think it€s still an interesting question where do go from here for the future of flight simulation?

Cheers Uk-Mule

http://trippincrusade.co.uk/ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://www.d8a.co.uk/vcd/Back-to-the-future.jpg

Salfordian
01-11-2005, 02:01 AM
A proper helicopter sim would be pretty good, been thinking about this recently while playing vietcong (PF still hasn't been delivered yet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif). A vietnam sim flying both gunships and transport helicopters in support of ground troops, with UH1 huey slicks and gunships, AH1 cobras, OH6 loaches and ACH47 gunships would be pretty sweet.

F0_Dark_P
01-11-2005, 02:14 AM
Oleg have to make a WWI game after BOB

want to kick *** like real men? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/Nahoj/kuk.jpg

Glazier
01-11-2005, 02:16 AM
The time is right is right for another WWI sim, it's been a long time since RB3D and Flying Corps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

MO_JOJO
01-11-2005, 02:36 AM
I think I would buy a Korean War sim. I would love a WWI sim, especially if you could shoot at King Kong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MO_JOJO/KingKongAces.bmp

HotelBushranger
01-11-2005, 06:51 AM
We NEED NEED NEED a new WW1 sim, my latest one was the Red Baron 3D demo....see my point? And, seeing some biplanes have already been done by Oleg, why not contract 1cMaddox and Ubisoft onto the job again? I'm confident of the result. As F0_Dark_P provided, im DYING to fly in the Bristol F2b (the bottom plane), as well as countless other biplanes. They were REAL aircraft, not these new UAV jobs that are gonna putta lotta human pilots outta there job.

As well, a helicopter sim would be tops!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif the helicopter gunship I would fly the most would undoubtedly be the Huey Bushranger!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif hence my name, Hotel variant was a gunship, aussies called the Bushranger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers!
HBR

Johan217
01-11-2005, 06:54 AM
Maybe this one? http://www.thunder-works.com
Falklands, Harriers, Skyhawks... Jet combat but still fairly lo-tech. Korea, Vietnam, Middle East Wars (remember Janes IAF) are also good settings I think: a good mix of terrains, aircraft and plenty of action both for air -to-air and air-to-ground.

WW2 Mediterranean/N.Africa (FB came SO close!)

But first, we really do need a new World War 1 sim. With Zeppelins please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 07:07 AM
I can't find the link http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

There is small developer working on WW1 flight sim, Western Front but "with elements of Russian Civil War", made in Russia.

Breeze147
01-11-2005, 07:26 AM
In order:

1. Heavy bombers, WWII

2. Korean War

3. Vietnam (Jury is still out on Wings Over Vietnam).

4. A ground pounding F-15 (LOMAC covers only the interceptor version).

womenfly
01-11-2005, 07:34 AM
A new World War-1 Sim .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/gallery/franck/big/a21p.jpg

http://memorial.flight.free.fr/galleryuk.html

Womenfly2

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 07:37 AM
LOMAC and the whole Su~27 Flanker series since 1995 has already simulated Cold War turning Hot War by simulating Russia fighting Ukraine. Many B~47s were shot down by MiGs during Cold War.

Korea
India Pakistan War
Cyprus vs Cyprus
Middle East
Vietnam
Cold to Hot War

Basically, 1950-1970 sim

Breeze147
01-11-2005, 07:45 AM
Yeah, it would be cool to fly some of those cold war planes that never saw a "hot" war. B-47's, B-66's, B-58's (maybe THE badass lookingest plane ever after the SR-71), F-104's. A whole bunch from other countries that I can't remember. Put them into a fictional war in the early '60's! I would buy that.

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 08:17 AM
When we were kids I had this old boardgame called Air War where you move little cardboard squares with plane pics on them. Each turn was 2.5 seconds of real time, and would take about 2 or 3 minutes to move on plane, an hour if you had dozens of planes (exactly what we see in cpu performance in FB).

I was into the Russian jets, my best friend into USA jets. I took MiG~21, he took F~104. We started head on, I turned, he followed, and he lost. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We switched planes, I had F~104, he had MiG~21, I went vertical, he followed, and he lost. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The FM table really let you use historical jet tactics.

LilHorse
01-11-2005, 08:31 AM
Personally, I'm not much of a WWI aviation fan. It's just a little too "quaint" for me. I much prefer any WWII scenario (yes, even if it is Western ETO again). But I think that after all the add-ons with IL2 the Eastern ETO got short changed. I've always said that they should have stuck with the Ostfront in this sim and developed others as stand alones.

Aside from that I think the Med./N.Africa should have more coverage. And Korea and Viet Nam would be interesting.

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 10:10 AM
The Cure for that is trying out the late 1930s planes we have in FB. That is real dogfighting at its best. If your style is BnZ, they made SPAD and Albatros for that, although flighty simmners think BnZ was first invented by Fw pilots in 1944.

Now that FB may be closing down eventually, I kinda agree about the Eastern Front thing not being finished. Worse http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif I am slowly moving to Daiich's position while Daiich moves to my position. We really need that Flyable Su~2 SB2 DB3 Tu2 Me410 Hs123 more than I~185, as much as I like my little "other" Polikarpov. But I~185 was made for a specific reason, and a very good reason given Oleg's connections to the (real life) aviation community. Now get on with the Pe~2. Hs123 may be "reserved" for BoB's Battle of Poland/France addon pacs.

Yikes, "goth" Daiich and Lexxx swap places.

civildog
01-11-2005, 10:18 AM
Any really good sim ranging from 1950-1980 would be somthing I'd sell a kidney for. I want to fly Korea, Vietnam, the Arab-Israeli Wars, Falklands, and a hypothetical NATO-Warsaw Pact war over Germany. When a game like that comes out, and it's on par with FB then I'll lay out however many shekels I have to.

I used to play Falcon 3.0 against Fulcrum online (modem to modem anyway) against my brother and friends, with us playing opposite sides in the various campaigns and that was one of the best online games ever. We need something like that again. LOMAC just doesn't quit do it.

WW1 would be fun, too, but it's far too long since a good jet sim has been out, and no one has really done a good job with a 50-80's era survey sim that was realistic.

VW-IceFire
01-11-2005, 10:20 AM
I think there's always going to be a separation between the 1914-1952 and the 1960-Present time periods. In between these two areas you've got a change where fighters become supersonic jets, with guided missiles, and while the gunfight isn't unheard of, its nothing like that we see right now.

Personally, I'm really hoping to see some different things. A Korea sim that covers things in their entirety would be an interesting project that a company could undertake. For Oleg's company, Korea could be an interesting area for their market in Russia as well as that for the North American and European audience.

I'd love to fly a Hawker Sea Fury, a Griffon Photo Recce Spitfire, a F-86 Sabre, a F-80 Shooting Star in a ground and fighter role, I'm sure there's many others I'm missing but there was ample opportunity for a Corsair, Sky Raider, F-51D as a ground pounder....the Yaks, IL-10s, MIG-15s and others....its a very mixed bag and it'd be a very interesting simulation to see and do.

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 10:22 AM
CivilDog:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>no one has really done a good job with a 50-80's era survey sim that was realistic. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Visualize Strike Fighters as a Maddox production. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Everything we need out of the box, and a simple Patch or two.

Stiglr
01-11-2005, 10:26 AM
@Luthor:

AirWar had some real flight "model" odditites, though:

The lateral rudder roll where you could move at a 60 degree angle to your flight path...

The endless climb-fights ...

etc., etc.

It was a fun game, but I'm still not completely sure it was worth the extreme learning curve. The AirForce/Dauntless system was so much better and so much easier to learn.

Capt.LoneRanger
01-11-2005, 10:26 AM
I like dogfights in IL2, and I also love modern jet sims, like LOMAC and F4 (good old F4 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif)

*BUT*

I'd give a real money for somebody developing a new heli-sim to fill the gap of Longbow II on my HDD. I never had a single game on my PC that I spent more time with.
Even with IL2 and LOMAC I feel somewhat exposed flying above 100ft. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

It also was the first sim that I played excessively in its excellent multiplayer mode! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chuck_Older
01-11-2005, 10:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Uk-Mule:
Now that we live in an era where fighter aircraft are more likely to resolve there differences in an air to air combat situations at Beyond visual range, what does the future hold for air to air combat with guns and heat seeking missiles the eye ball to eye ball stuff in real life, And more to the point where do we go from here in regards to combat flight simulation?



I personally like all the long distance air to air combat stuff (because I suck at close air to air) I like the tactics and thinking involved. This though to the non enthusiast is complete boredom in terms of making a flight simulation game that will sell well.

The WW2 flight sim has been covered with IL2, and all the popular jets have been done by now in some form or other.

As far as the future is concerned surely its non piloted aircraft where a €œremote pilot€ sits in a nice warm room and operates a highly manoeuvrable fighter that has no g-limit except its own structure constraints and fights his mission with all the comforts we enjoy. So aren€t we the most employable pilots of the future with some of us doing the combat flight simulation training for so many years? (I say this with tongue in cheek of course)

But I think it€s still an interesting question where do go from here for the future of flight simulation?

Cheers Uk-Mule

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A question:

How can the future of a simulation hinge on what hasn't happened yet?

You can't simulate a speculated future with accuracy. All you can do it make good guesses.

Wouldn't be a sim. It would be..jeezm I dunno what it would be but without a real-kife model to emulate, you're not simulating much except guess work

As for unmanned aircraft...I work in the industry and have since 1995. The flesh and blood pilot is not going to become extinct in any foreseeable future. That's not my assumption, it's what the aerospace industry tells me whenever these questions come up. What can I say?

DanteJT
01-11-2005, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I can't find the link
There is small developer working on WW1 flight sim, Western Front but "with elements of Russian Civil War", made in Russia. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably is this one:
http://www.flipcode.org/cgi-bin/fcarticles.cgi?show=3&id=63667

Their site was usually at this address:
http://www.d-strict.com/intro.php

But it's under reconstruction now.

LEXX_Luthor
01-11-2005, 08:58 PM
Thanks Dante, we will watch that.

Wellcome to Forgotten Board

p1ngu666
01-11-2005, 10:21 PM
ewo mule, sorry for failing to get in touch with u before

drop me a email @ pingu666 @ gmail.com

personaly id like a sim with some of the waccy aircraft from 20's-30's.

also more raf aircraft for fb/pf (im british)

i wanna play hero of bomber command by flying my lancaster between aa gun batteries on teh coast like guy gibson did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

he followed a canel with alt so low his engines would have hit horses on the tow path (luckly there where none), and he was at full boost too, the exhausts glowing red in the early morning light

the aircraft was the mighty lancaster http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
imagine the noise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/lanc5.jpg

he woulda been at similer height to that, but gear up and 280mphish http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

he was in such a hurry cos he had just done the dam busters raid, thought that half the luftwaffe was after him