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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 04:48 PM
Like most us, I'm looking forward to having the Mustang in game. We will be able to create/simulate those well documented incidents of ME262's being bounced whilst landing, and er.. magically vanishing in the interests of realism, and appeasement to the god of online play.
One wonders, would FB have been so successful if it were sold as an online only sim?

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 04:48 PM
Like most us, I'm looking forward to having the Mustang in game. We will be able to create/simulate those well documented incidents of ME262's being bounced whilst landing, and er.. magically vanishing in the interests of realism, and appeasement to the god of online play.
One wonders, would FB have been so successful if it were sold as an online only sim?

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 04:54 PM
I have read in some place I can't remember that online freaks are less than 20% of total players...

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 05:16 PM
E111_DSLam wrote:
- I have read in some place I can't remember that
- online freaks are less than 20% of total players...
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About 5% however, the dynamic campaign system in FB screws it a bit for offline players.


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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 06:16 PM
People fly offline? Hell there ant noth.n like a live target.AI just don't cut it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 06:54 PM
E111_DSLam wrote:
- I have read in some place I can't remember that
- online freaks are less than 20% of total players...
-

Online Freeks ?

Ya theres only about 5000 or More Online Freeks you *%*#*$*@
you best choose differant lingo if you wana get along around here.

People dont dig on being called Freek... PUNK!!!

Keep fighting the AI and telling yourself your having a good time.

Belive me you cant beat the fun of Online Coop/DF missions

Nothing compares...



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11-08-2003, 07:05 PM
I dig being called freek



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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:08 PM
ZG77_Nagual wrote:
- I dig being called freek


Hes a Super Freek........... Super Freek.............


HES SUPER FREEKYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY AWWWWUUUUUUUU !!!!


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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:09 PM
Not quite the discussion I'd hope might emerge, but with such a diverse range of simmer personalities one is frequently surprised.

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:29 PM
yah, a P-51 can bounce a 262 on takeoff or landing, but that is it.

I just got off a server, i was flying the jet, teammates were doing Stukas, and the enemy was almost all P-51's.

I bounced one as he single-mindedly chased a stuka ( i bet those 108's doing 850 kph sounded real nice to him!), and then, a mustang dove and was chasing me, but i had more energy so i went verticle and held it till went backwards and flipped 180 degrees, saw him fluttering earthwards in a stall, and blew him to peices - a flawless hammerhead( he: "wth?"). And then i killed some more P-51's.



still, the P-51 is the best high-speed, high-alt prop-driven fighter in the game, in my opinion.

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:48 PM
personally ...... id like to know how he gets his 5% quote ......

i mean do they only use UBI registrations ?

is HL involved at all ?

im willing to bet that the ONLINE community is more fanatical & dedicated to Offliners

id go further & say the onliners have more fun & are more important cause we are the ones who really care about the game

i cant believe that 90% dont EVER try it online

( wouldnt go back to Offline Only again if they did try it )

adlabs6
11-08-2003, 08:25 PM
Still using the registered users at UBI and HL may be meaningless also. What about those who use multiple login names when they fly? That would falsely inflate the number of users quite a bit.

Anyway, yes such a mission could exist, but almost no one allows the Me262 on servers anymore, so you'll not have much luck with finding one.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 09:42 PM
stick pressures are the only reason and i cant believe everyones bashing the mustang the zero and ki84 are much worse amoungst other planes, the only planes which seems to have stick pressure are the p40 and hurricane

109 la7 slightly and thats it, its as realistic as it can be now in 1.2rc with no fuselage overstressing changing hi and low currents, theres still a couple planes that cannonot reach thier sealevel flight speed while others are above. SO what nothings perfect be happy they are going in the right direction with improvements

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 09:46 PM
We already have online game that come with FB. Lot of people played as you sound like newbie. there are more than one server to offer online playing with il2

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 09:50 PM
I saw Super Freak play last night.


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Scen
11-08-2003, 09:59 PM
Slightly OT...


How does the P-51 sound? Did they get anywhere close to what the engine sounds like in RL?

Scen

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 11:07 PM
Scen wrote:
- Slightly OT...
-
-
- How does the P-51 sound? Did they get anywhere
- close to what the engine sounds like in RL?
-


Scen, seems they pretty much just used the P39 sounds.



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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 11:33 PM
WUAF_Badsight wrote:
- the onliners have more fun & are
- more important cause we are the ones who really care
- about the game

Im not sure how you come to this conclusion, as many(most?) here play both online and offline. Myself, I play offline almost exclusively now, maybe 90% of my flying time. When I had a squad online, the situation was reversed.

But I find I actually enjoy my missions with objectives and realistic plane sets, so offline for me.

Now, I think what you may have meant is those that are active members of the community are more important....? After all, many "offliners" make great contributions through skins, missions, and being active in discussions and feedback to Oleg and on other forums.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 03:07 AM
Aflak wrote:
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- I just got off a server, i was flying the jet,


And if you were more gracious in your victorys typing an S! instead of "you've just been HAMMERHEADED!" I might let you fly on my server again...

But don't count on it.

And BTW, fly a real plane, instead of that n00b jet, maybe you will gain some respect. But I doubt it.


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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 03:21 AM
El are you trying to say that this terd doesn't even fly a prop!

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 10:18 AM
To those chaps who have tried a mission bouncing ME262's as they're landing, doesn't the vanishing landing/taxiing planes pee you off a tad? Would it not be better to have complete landing/taxi/parking routines as were originally in FB, in the interests of realism. Strafing would be much more fun.

XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 01:39 PM
AFJ Locust- Do you need some prozac? Online players are online freaks. Offline players are offline freaks. You have a problem man. Ligten up on thes Dudes who mean no harm in what they say. Reading your post was a sad commentary on a person who is on a short fuse.

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XyZspineZyX
11-09-2003, 02:12 PM
I tried online, but, even if I enjoyed the experience, I felt rather lost. Almost all servers were FR and, being a novice, I didn't have a chance. The only way to progress is joining a squadron, and I logged in VOW, but I just don't have the time to be a regular player for hours every day, and I don't want to disappoint my potential mates.

So, the only way I can enjoy FB freely is offline. But the new Maddox politics seems to be let improvements on AI and campaign gameplay aside, and the bonuses in this add-on are really a clue about this.

I want to state that I like online playing very much, but except on team vs. team historical missions -hard to set up and arrange with the rest of players- it is offline where this game recreates historical scenarios, not in the DF servers that are nothing but complex, specialized deathmatch arenas.

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11-10-2003, 12:18 PM
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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:29 PM
Problem with the P51 and P47 is that after 7000m they are untouchable. Yes I know that the high alt model is limited but they should not be that supperior to comtemporary Luft a/c. What ever tweak Oleg gave to these two a/c he should concider doing something similar to some of the 109s and 190s to even things out. At the moment a Jug or Pony can loop all over the place at 9000 m wher the K4 barely maintains level flight.


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 12:51 PM
is that so unrealistic?

P47 got its best speed at high alts and afaik (do correct if I'm wrong) both gave their best at high alts. Isn't that why the LW needed the Ta152?

It's a different story at medium alts where the K4 rocks and is more than a match for the P47 and P51.


DKP wrote:
- Problem with the P51 and P47 is that after 7000m
- they are untouchable. Yes I know that the high alt
- model is limited but they should not be that
- supperior to comtemporary Luft a/c. What ever tweak
- Oleg gave to these two a/c he should concider doing
- something similar to some of the 109s and 190s to
- even things out. At the moment a Jug or Pony can
- loop all over the place at 9000 m wher the K4 barely
- maintains level flight.
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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 01:52 PM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- is that so unrealistic?
-
- P47 got its best speed at high alts and afaik (do
- correct if I'm wrong) both gave their best at high
- alts. Isn't that why the LW needed the Ta152?


The Ta 152 H project was initiated by the LW top brass`s concerns about high flying US heavy bombers, such as the B-29. They overestimated quite a bit the capabilities of those (in fact everyone expected air combat to take place in the extreme high altitudes, something that never really happened), but the Ta 152 was born by that time.



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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:20 PM
ok, that makes sense.

Was the K4 designed for high altitude performance? Most LW fighters seem to give their best at medium altitude. just curious; must say that now it's fixed in game K4 is really excellent and wondering if it's realistic at higher alts, problems with high alt model notwithstanding.


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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 02:52 PM
With the P-51 and the AI B-17 seeing action in online battles, returning the 262 to the lists would be just a perfect countermeasure. Especially if you look at the current P-51 FM. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 04:29 PM
DKP wrote:
- Problem with the P51 and P47 is that after 7000m
- they are untouchable. Yes I know that the high alt
- model is limited but they should not be that
- supperior to comtemporary Luft a/c. What ever tweak
- Oleg gave to these two a/c he should concider doing
- something similar to some of the 109s and 190s to
- even things out. At the moment a Jug or Pony can
- loop all over the place at 9000 m wher the K4 barely
- maintains level flight.

Another load of bull. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:17 PM
Another thing is that the FW was useless above 25k. That is why the LW had to keep the 109 around.

The P-47 is/was/should be the best high alt. prop fighter in game. Yes even better than the P-51.

At 25k Ft. the P-47 could out turn 109's and FW's on the hor. plane and they are faster than the K4 was in RL.

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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:33 PM
I think that's about right, at least in that I have found the P47 is superb (I see what the fuss is about now) at 10km; anything LW is pretty easy shooting; get the angles and convergence right and wings are sliced off with a quick burst. Great when 190s and 109s dive away from you too.


Cardinal25 wrote:
- Another thing is that the FW was useless above 25k.
- That is why the LW had to keep the 109 around.
-
- The P-47 is/was/should be the best high alt. prop
- fighter in game. Yes even better than the P-51.
-
- At 25k Ft. the P-47 could out turn 109's and FW's on
- the hor. plane and they are faster than the K4 was
- in RL.
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XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 05:44 PM
yea i hate offline play its no challenge the ai sucks!

when you can take on 8 mustangs and not get shot down or even touched by thier guns when thier set to ace thats just sad.


its like plying fps and useing bots the only way they get good is to give them the ultimate aim so they can run around at full speed and get headshots as soon as they see you.

online is the only way to go.

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 08:00 PM
Cardinal... The TA152 would run circles around the 47 and 51 above 25k... PERIOD..

D9 was very comparable to the 47 up high as well as it didnt use the normalFW short nose engine...

at 20-35k- K4 has listed speeds of 450+

iam not oversure of the 47s speed at that level, but sure it isnt much fast if it is..

XyZspineZyX
11-10-2003, 10:43 PM
Five (5) percent is actually a HIGH estimate of the number of on-line players versus all owners of IL2/IL2:FB...even Oleg has personally made note of this Fact. Catering to the small minority, and having to listen to/read their whines on forums such as this nearly killed the goose that laid the golden egg.

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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 12:15 AM
Red,

If you want to talk about late-war fighter which saw little or no action, then you must consider the latest version P47s, which werwe capable of 470mph or more.


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XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 12:30 AM
Which models would that be?

M? -- striped down, less guns, armor and fuel spec made to hunt down V1s? not sure if it saw any combat but from what i read not...

N? -- never saw combat in WW2

J? -- only 1 made...

TA152 was fully decked out and made these speeds...

XyZspineZyX
11-11-2003, 02:30 AM
JG26_Red wrote:
- Which models would that be?
-
- M? -- striped down, less guns, armor and fuel spec
- made to hunt down V1s? not sure if it saw any combat
- but from what i read not...
-
- N? -- never saw combat in WW2
-
- J? -- only 1 made...
-
- TA152 was fully decked out and made these speeds...
-
-Actually M model issued to 56th Fighter group, shot down a few 262's even.
N model widely used late war in the Pacific, I thought.
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