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IVJG51_Swine
10-10-2005, 10:31 PM

hobnail
10-11-2005, 05:21 PM
Need the "I like candy" option for those with terminal apathy.

fly_zo
10-12-2005, 09:05 AM
Voted!!!

In favor!!!!!

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born to fly forced to work

HoneySeeker
10-12-2005, 09:35 AM
What I would like to see is a system whereby one may define one's preferred screen dimensions, with something like 800*600 taken as the baseline for normal view, and expanding from there (rather than the cropping that occurs with the current widescreen implementation).

And I can't see how widescreen is unfair when it's available to all.

jamesdietz
10-12-2005, 02:25 PM
Looks like when I buy a new rig for BoB I'll have to consider going wide screen too...More $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

IVJG51_Swine
10-14-2005, 10:38 AM
Thanks again for your time and votes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BelaLvgosi
10-14-2005, 07:36 PM
Let's not forget that 5:4 support is also non existant and way more common among 17" and 19" lcds. I'd say ok for both.

VT-51_Razor
10-15-2005, 09:10 AM
Everyone's so busy sitting in front of their monitors waiting for the next patch, they can't take time to let Oleg know how they feel about this?!! C'mon folks, jump in here!

Cajun76
10-15-2005, 10:53 AM
If it wasn't soo biased and "lead you by the nostrils", you might get a better response for the very thing you want.

However, you've left little room for even a debate about it.

"Jump in here (bandwagon)" dosen't leave much wiggle room or the ability to bring up other, perhaps even similar views.

With the choices given, have to vote... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

IVJG51_Swine
10-15-2005, 11:57 AM
I can't make it any clearer, either you are for it or against it. It has been debated quite heavily in the other threads. This isn't about a debate, it's to show how online players feel about it. If you don't think it gives you enough options then please don't participate.

Recon_609IAP
10-17-2005, 10:22 PM
Can I hook my new 52" HD TV up to it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Slapp
10-18-2005, 02:42 AM
Voted yes.


As far as I am aware us humans(latest patch version 4.03 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) are actually designed see better in a wide screen format.

I use a 24" wide screen TFT and the lack of support for wide screen in PF is a shame, unfair, a travesty, cruel, mean and dam right selfish twisted! YOU HEAR! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oleg, come one m'old fruit, I chipped in towards three first class tickets so that you and your two military advisors (Ubi promotion girls http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) could "recover" in Hawaii.., The least you could do id throw in a little WS support? Also, if I may be so bold, a small incey weeny little map of south England? Go on; be a sport.



S!ap

aklabo
10-18-2005, 10:06 AM
YES 100% support !! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif
Klabo_71st

Dexmeister
10-18-2005, 02:41 PM
If Oleg felt that widescreen was a cheat, he wouldn't have allowed support for triplehead resolutions on the Matrox Parhelia. 3840x1024 was once possible with this sim until 4.01 accidentally screwed it up.

I know from flying online eons ago, online partners couldn't care less if I can see more, they can still shoot me down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

InsaneDruid
10-19-2005, 02:10 PM
Can it be that 4.2 now doesn´t have the clipped haze/misaligned relfections bug?

Slapp
10-20-2005, 12:37 AM
I will have to check it out ID

InsaneDruid
10-20-2005, 03:56 AM
Haze and Reflections seems to be cured.

Map still clipps off, and also the HUD text is on 4:3, but (for me) that are minor things, compared to the haze/reflection bug.

Great.. since I have my Widescreen (December last year) I have not flown Il2, due to these bugs.

IVJG51_Swine
10-20-2005, 10:07 AM
Bump, with all of this platinum stuff going on I'd sure like to see this widescreen support implemented. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-20-2005, 11:08 AM
Voted YES.

I don't yet have a WS monitor, but it's the future and I intend to have one soon enough.


TB

D_River
10-20-2005, 04:29 PM
Voted Yes.

I would buy a widescreen monitor if I could afford it.
The only game that I have that does not support widescreen is IL2 series.

IVJG51_Swine
10-20-2005, 06:13 PM
Thanks for participating, bumpity bump....
~S~ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Slapp
10-22-2005, 03:10 AM
~bump~

IVJG51_Swine
10-26-2005, 06:41 PM
bumpity bump!!!

~S~ Fellow IL-2 simmers!!!

IVJG51_Swine
10-27-2005, 06:51 PM
Bump again!!! ~S~


S! to the Oleg Team, thanks!!!!

Slapp
11-02-2005, 05:33 AM
*Nudge*

IVJG51_Swine
11-04-2005, 04:06 PM
Bump http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Slapp
11-06-2005, 01:51 AM
*bump*

buddywoof
11-06-2005, 11:29 AM
Absolutely YES! It's the 21st century....time to fly in widescreen!

Scen
11-07-2005, 11:38 AM
Bumpy bump bump

AFSG_Jedi
11-07-2005, 09:13 PM
I intend on buying a WS Monitor...when they make a Big enough Flat Panel (30"+) with a very fast response time. (Like 1-5 ms.)

Slapp
11-08-2005, 12:44 AM
THe force will be with you soon Jedi:

Posted at XtremeSystems forums:

"In the near future, LCDs, CRTs, and Plasmas will be replaced by a new tech called SED.
SED (Also called "Surface-conduction Electron-emitter Display") will offer the following specs:


Response times of 1millisecond or EVEN LOWER!!!
Contrast Ratio of up to 100,000:1 !!!
Viewing angles of up to 160 degrees !!!
Can scale up to 50€ of HDTV viewable goodness !!!
Blacks can go as low as 0.003 cd/m2 !!!
Maximum Resolutions will be 1,920x1,080 !!!


Other stuff about SED:

-SED will also offer more vivid colours and blacker blacks
-SED uses 1/3 the power necessary to run a plasma display
-SED is expected to be cheaper than LCDs, but more expensive than plasmas
-Tohsiba and Canon are working together to bring this tech to life
-Tohsiba and Canon have made a new company called SED inc., which will be dedicated to production and manufacturing of SED displays. For more info about SED.inc, follow this link http://www.canon.com/press/p2004sep14.html
-The first 50" SED displays are expected to hit the Japanese market next Spring
-Toshiba will be producing 75,000 displays per month, in 2007

And from Canon's site:
http://www.canon.com/technology/display/

If those specs are anything to go by, it sounds very promissing indeed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IVJG51_Swine
11-09-2005, 11:09 PM
Wow!!

IVJG51_Swine
11-10-2005, 05:02 PM
SEDs do look impressivehttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MrQBerrt
11-16-2005, 10:10 AM
If you're interested in SED, also look up OLED.

IVJG51_Swine
11-23-2005, 05:10 AM
OLEDs look interesting as well. I would think they are way down the pipeline though...Cool stuff though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

starfighter1
11-23-2005, 10:19 AM
hi,
hope including an enhanced compatibility to 3D stereo flatscreens. That rocks man http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.seereal.com/en/index.php



Originally posted by IVJG51_Swine:
OLEDs look interesting as well. I would think they are way down the pipeline though...Cool stuff though. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

holy_one_2
11-25-2005, 06:21 AM
HI.
For u WIDEVIEW GUYS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elumens.com/products/visionstation.html
Best regards HOLY

starfighter1
11-25-2005, 01:25 PM
hi,
I like this 'elumens' even if they can produce in 3D Stereo too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif like the following next generation laser view tec ..in far future at homebuild cockpits I hope..maybe? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/training...optik/jenoptik2.html (http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractors/training/jenoptik/jenoptik2.html)

http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractor_images/je...do-simulator_300.jpg (http://www.airforce-technology.com/contractor_images/jenoptik/Tornado-simulator_300.jpg)



Originally posted by holy_one_2:
HI.
For u WIDEVIEW GUYS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elumens.com/products/visionstation.html
Best regards HOLY

starfighter1
11-25-2005, 01:37 PM
hi,
by the way: here some pics from German Ubi LockOn Forum. Try a normal red/blue 3D immension view.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://forums-de.ubi.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/254106073/m/7161058643

http://www.erbseweb.de/lockon/forum/LockOn3D-Mig25.JPG

http://www.erbseweb.de/lockon/forum/LockOn3D-F15.JPG

http://www.erbseweb.de/lockon/forum/LockOn3D-A10.JPG

I guess 'ellumens' is working on such parabol systems in 3D Stereo too... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif




Originally posted by holy_one_2:
HI.
For u WIDEVIEW GUYS http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://www.elumens.com/products/visionstation.html
Best regards HOLY

JerryFodder
02-08-2007, 07:59 AM
I'm still on a 19" CRT and desperately want a new screen but i'm put off from upgrade ONLY BECAUSE IL2 DOESN'T SUPPORT IT!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I want widescreen and multiple monitor support - if you have more than one screen then you should be allowed to use it - if anything is a 'cheat' it's the wonderwoman no-cockpit view!!

BigKahuna_GS
02-08-2007, 11:44 AM
S!

Bump Bump Bump

keep it going

30" LCD High Res Dell Monitor here

Scen
02-08-2007, 05:53 PM
Yep... Just moved to the Dell 2407 24" and love it. I wish IL2 Supported it.

heywooood
02-08-2007, 07:18 PM
Please support widescreen viewing Oleg.

VMF-214_HaVoK
02-08-2007, 08:35 PM
Now that Im a delighted Samsung Sync Master 20" Widescreen owner heck ya Im for it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PriK
02-08-2007, 10:19 PM
Well I bought a widescreen 22" and look forward to using it in this sim next week. Not sure what the problem is beyond being limited by the horizontal boundary of the 4:3 which is hardly any loss if you have TIR anyway. Don't tell me you are so dedicated to playing this sim and don't own a TIR cause that's just silly talk.

Anyway, think of it like your zoomed in a slight bit but have more peripheral vision. Horizontal screen space is way more important in a trade-off but if you can't do without that particular cutoff section of gauge panel just set up the next increment of zoom and bind a key.

And the shadows and reflections were fixed in 4.02 weren't they?

So in other words it seems you're bumping this thread for no reason. Get your widescreen monitor, make your config settings, quitcher*****in and enjoy the peripheral vision!

JerryFodder
02-09-2007, 04:22 AM
Just because you are happy and can afford Track IR doesn't mean everyone else is in that situation. Widescreen support has been available on other releases for years - it would be ridiculous for a new major release to not support it especially as the better quality monitors are all widescreen now.

PriK
02-09-2007, 09:14 AM
It would. Only IL2:46 isn't a major release but they did fix widescreen gaming for the most part didn't they? It would be nice I suppose if they would constrain vertically instead of horizontally but I'm thinking it's not too difficult to bind a key for an increment of 10% zoom out instead of normal view if it's an issue.

Maybe I'm missing something though so I'll reserve judgement until I get mine.

igitur70
02-09-2007, 11:20 AM
I voted yes, of course. I can't imagine Bob won't get a widescreen support http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TooCooL34
02-10-2007, 01:04 AM
Bumpy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PriK
02-10-2007, 09:16 AM
Got the monitor and set it up. I can't believe how much widescreen adds to the immersion! Absolutely amazing.

Again, with the multitude of zoom increments available, the constraint horizontally just...isn't an issue, especially considering the benefit of peripheral vision gained.

It would be nice if the map and I suppose other overlays for open cockpit flyers weren't constrained to 4:3 but this is a very small thing in comparison. It would be nice if Oleg could fix this so I'll add my 'bump'. Other than that I really didn't know what I was missing sticking with a 4:3 display all this time.

WOLFMondo
02-11-2007, 03:04 AM
Gimma some widescreen action Oleg! Please.

PriK
02-11-2007, 08:08 AM
Here you go...


[window]
width=1680
height=1050
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=0
Use3Renders=0

You're welcome!

SweetMonkeyLuv
02-11-2007, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by PriK:
Got the monitor and set it up. I can't believe how much widescreen adds to the immersion! Absolutely amazing.

Again, with the multitude of zoom increments available, the constraint horizontally just...isn't an issue, especially considering the benefit of peripheral vision gained.

It would be nice if the map and I suppose other overlays for open cockpit flyers weren't constrained to 4:3 but this is a very small thing in comparison. It would be nice if Oleg could fix this so I'll add my 'bump'. Other than that I really didn't know what I was missing sticking with a 4:3 display all this time.

I've had my TIR3 w/ VE and my 20" dell widescreen for a year or so now. After much time and experimentation, I'm back to running in 1280x1024 w/ 4:3 aspect and the black bars on the side.

Why? There are some cockpits where that little bit of lost viewable space in the vertical means that you lose sight of your ship's slip indicator, even in "wide view" with gunsight toggled. If you're someone like me who is constantly retrimming your ship, even (especially) in combat, its unacceptable to have to "heads-down" in order to get a view at critical instruments.

In some/most cockpits, this is really not a problem, but it does crop up when you start changing mounts frequently.

On the whole topic/vote, in general, I doubt you're going to see any changes before Storm of War. The add-ons that have been coming out lately have mainly been new objects, not serious reworking of the core engine. I'd wager that making a change like this would require cracking into the nasty underbelly of the codebase.

Copperhead310th
02-11-2007, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by 609IAP_Kahuna:
S!

Bump Bump Bump

keep it going

30" LCD High Res Dell Monitor here

32 in wides screen flat LCD HD Proview.

got ya beat by 2 whole inches.
Funny thing is i'm always 2 inches bigger than every other guy. lol why is thst? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

PriK
02-11-2007, 10:35 PM
Maybe you're measuring from too far back?

zaelu
04-09-2007, 09:33 AM
Bump.

Wideescreen support please http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Manos1
04-09-2007, 01:27 PM
Widescreen support!?
How wide is wide? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
No problems with 3072x768 real wide view here...
http://www.e-335thgr.com/Athos/TripleHead2Go_01.JPG
http://www.e-335thgr.com/Athos/TripleHead2Go_02.JPG

~S~

Stackhouse25th
04-09-2007, 04:34 PM
widescreen is gay

JG52Uther
04-09-2007, 04:48 PM
Whats 'widescreen'? said the poor luddite in the corner with the old 17"CRT http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BeerCamel
04-12-2007, 02:04 AM
What are the chances that wide screen will happen?

I know there is a faithful fan base for the IL2 series that would appreciate this, but economic realities are hard to argue with. The developers have already gone above and beyond on their support for this fine sim.

I personally would be willing to pay something for a super-patch' that brings IL2 1946 up to date' with wide screen, 6DOF, ect... ESPECIALLY if it added more maps and aircraft..

Lurch1962
04-13-2007, 09:22 PM
PriK,
I may be mistaken, but it seems you may not fully appreciate what it is the player loses when using a wide screen monitor as things stand now.

The game bases its field of view *only* on the horizontal dimension of the display window. If you set the FOV to 60 degrees, then you're seeing a simulated 60 degree wide view of the game world. And that's always the case for *any* monitor or game window aspect ratio you'd care to use. Furthermore, the widest FOV available is the same 90 degrees for all.

This means that 16:9 monitors lose some of the upper and lower portions of the field of view as compared their good ol' 4:3 cousins. To reiterate, with a wide monitor one currently does not gain horizontal field of view in any way whatsoever. It's exactly like taking a 4:3 monitor and taping black bars on the upper and lower edges of the screen to simulate 16:9. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

Wide screen support could be implemented rather easily by being basing the field of view on the *vertical* display dimension. This would then allow >90 degree wide view angles. I guess this is what folks are suggesting Oleg considers as "cheating." But this is nothing compared to 3-monitor set-ups which offer up to 270 degree wide views (3 x 90)!

But one should be aware that the Gnomonic projection used by this game (and every other flight sim that I'm aware of) places an upper limit to the view angle represented on a single display. I made a post some weeks ago addressing this very point.

Suffice it to say, much wider than 90 degrees and the view quickly becomes *extremely* distorted by radial stretching. Even as it is now (at 90 degrees) this distortion is quite evident.

--Lurch--

Manos1
04-16-2007, 05:53 AM
Guys, you discuss about the Volkswagen with wider tyres when you already have the RollsRoyce programmed in this simulation....

What more do you want if you can have 3x1024 = 3072 real wide view!? (or you can go 3x1600 =4800 if there is ever a graphics card in the future to display it).

~S~



Now the

No601_prangster
04-18-2007, 04:12 PM
You all realise that a wide screen monitor is just a standard 4:3 with the top and bottom chopped off!

My 20" Iiyama 4:3 displays at 1600x1200. If I bought the widscreen version it would display at 1680x1050 so I would gain 80 pixels in width but lose 150 pixels in height.

Food for thought.

BrotherVoodoo
04-23-2007, 11:02 AM
A cheat, not in this day and age. Wide screen is a basic god given right...like dial tone.