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P18-38S_Ltd
03-05-2008, 02:00 AM
Successors of Il-2 Sturmovik and Flanker 2.5

This is just a comparisson of the two sims that I recently acquired.

Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 & Lock On Gold (with Flaming Cliffs)

Controller compatibility:

1946 is more compatible with analogue game pad controllers than Lock On Gold.
I use a Radica Phoenix Revolution PS2 gamepad to control my planes in both programs and the control buttons are much easier to map in 1946.

http://www.radicagames.com/uk-phoenix-revolution.php

System Requirements:

Lock On needs a much more powerful rig to run than 1946 but both ran fine in my below mid-range machine with a few unnoticeable glitches experinced with Lock On definitely due to machine specs.

1946 System Requirements:
Operating System: Windows 98/ME/XP/2000
CPU: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 1GHz
RAM: 512 MB
Disc Drive: 4x DVD ROM Drive
Hard Drive: 4GB free hard drive space
Video Card: 64 MB DirectX 9.0 compatible - ATI Radeon 7500 or greater/nVidia GeForce 3 or greater (GeForce MX not supported)
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0 compatible sound card
Input Devices: Mouse and Keyboard

Lock On Gold System Requirements:
Operating System: Windows 2000/XP
CPU: Pentium 4 with 2GHz or equivalent
RAM: 512 MB of Ram
Disc Drive: 4X CD-ROM drive
Video Card: 128MB DirectX 8.0 compatible 3D card
Sound Card: DirectX 8.0 compatible sound card
Input Devices: mouse , keyboard
Others: Internet or LAN connection for online play

Machine Specs:
AMD Athlon64 3000+
MSI RS482M2-IL
ATI Radeon Xpress200
512MB DDR400 RAM
80GB SATA + 40GB EIDE HDD

Graphics:
Both games have very good graphical and modeling detail.
Very impressive as far as I am concerned.

Technical Accuracy:
Both games enjoy a high degree of technical accuracy but 1946 does have some "what if" elements because of its concept planes.
i.e. Heinkel Lerch, HE-162D, etc...

Gameplay:
Both sims are very enjoyable to play with.
One can joy ride a plane and just fly around while learning the controls.
Both have their own tutorials for those just getting familiar with the game.

Overall:
Well both games are very good & I'm happy to be a proud owner of these two games.

:-)

Feel free to add comments replies or what ever...

http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/images/games/3267-box_B.jpg
http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/images/games/3068-box_B.jpg

This can also be found on:

http://www.lo-mac.com/

P18-38S_Ltd
03-05-2008, 02:00 AM
Successors of Il-2 Sturmovik and Flanker 2.5

This is just a comparisson of the two sims that I recently acquired.

Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 & Lock On Gold (with Flaming Cliffs)

Controller compatibility:

1946 is more compatible with analogue game pad controllers than Lock On Gold.
I use a Radica Phoenix Revolution PS2 gamepad to control my planes in both programs and the control buttons are much easier to map in 1946.

http://www.radicagames.com/uk-phoenix-revolution.php

System Requirements:

Lock On needs a much more powerful rig to run than 1946 but both ran fine in my below mid-range machine with a few unnoticeable glitches experinced with Lock On definitely due to machine specs.

1946 System Requirements:
Operating System: Windows 98/ME/XP/2000
CPU: Pentium III or AMD Athlon 1GHz
RAM: 512 MB
Disc Drive: 4x DVD ROM Drive
Hard Drive: 4GB free hard drive space
Video Card: 64 MB DirectX 9.0 compatible - ATI Radeon 7500 or greater/nVidia GeForce 3 or greater (GeForce MX not supported)
Sound Card: DirectX 9.0 compatible sound card
Input Devices: Mouse and Keyboard

Lock On Gold System Requirements:
Operating System: Windows 2000/XP
CPU: Pentium 4 with 2GHz or equivalent
RAM: 512 MB of Ram
Disc Drive: 4X CD-ROM drive
Video Card: 128MB DirectX 8.0 compatible 3D card
Sound Card: DirectX 8.0 compatible sound card
Input Devices: mouse , keyboard
Others: Internet or LAN connection for online play

Machine Specs:
AMD Athlon64 3000+
MSI RS482M2-IL
ATI Radeon Xpress200
512MB DDR400 RAM
80GB SATA + 40GB EIDE HDD

Graphics:
Both games have very good graphical and modeling detail.
Very impressive as far as I am concerned.

Technical Accuracy:
Both games enjoy a high degree of technical accuracy but 1946 does have some "what if" elements because of its concept planes.
i.e. Heinkel Lerch, HE-162D, etc...

Gameplay:
Both sims are very enjoyable to play with.
One can joy ride a plane and just fly around while learning the controls.
Both have their own tutorials for those just getting familiar with the game.

Overall:
Well both games are very good & I'm happy to be a proud owner of these two games.

:-)

Feel free to add comments replies or what ever...

http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/images/games/3267-box_B.jpg
http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/images/games/3068-box_B.jpg

This can also be found on:

http://www.lo-mac.com/

tagTaken2
03-05-2008, 02:17 AM
Game, or sim?

If you're going to pick a fighter SIM, then Falcon is missing.

talengtp
03-05-2008, 01:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is just a comparisson of the two sims that I recently acquired.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I_KG100_Prien
03-05-2008, 02:55 PM
I purchased Lock On and the Flaming Cliffs add-on a couple of weeks ago. I've been having a good time with it.

Takes some getting used to after years of IL:2, as it s a completely different ball game. I really like ground pounding with the SU-25... Most enjoyable online moment was when I took down an F-15 that got a little too close.

crucislancer
03-05-2008, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P18-38S_Ltd:
Successors of Il-2 Sturmovik and Flanker 2.5

This is just a comparisson of the two sims that I recently acquired.

Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 & Lock On Gold (with Flaming Cliffs)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have yet to pick up Flaming Cliffs, but I do like Lock On, mainly to fly the Su-27. Il-2 1946 runs better on my system, though. I still have the original IL-2 and Flanker 2.5 on my system.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Controller compatibility:

1946 is more compatible with analogue game pad controllers than Lock On Gold.
I use a Radica Phoenix Revolution PS2 gamepad to control my planes in both programs and the control buttons are much easier to map in 1946.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That works well for you? I don't think I could fly any flight sim without a joystick setup of some kind. I never thought about it, but IL-2 is much easier to set up then LOMAC.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Gameplay:
Both sims are very enjoyable to play with.
One can joy ride a plane and just fly around while learning the controls.
Both have their own tutorials for those just getting familiar with the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think LOMAC beats out IL-2 as far as the tutorials. The ones in 1946 are left over from the previous releases and have issues, like the plane crashing mid-way through the tutorial track because the track was made with an earlier version.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Overall:
Well both games are very good & I'm happy to be a proud owner of these two games.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here. I need to play more LOMAC, but I think that will come when I get bored with IL-2 and I upgrade my computer a bit.

I see tagTaken2 threw out the "game or sim" deal. I like to think of them as both, a "Flight Simulation Game". Even Falcon 4 is a game, no matter how you slice it. But, whatever floats your boat.

SeaFireLIV
03-05-2008, 04:04 PM
The fact that you use gamepads to control both flight sims tends to put down the credibility of your comparisons somewhat.

I mean, if you`re doing true comparisons of flight sims for flight simmers, should you not at the very least be using a Joystick?

I couldn`t do it. Just wouldn`t `feel` like I`m controlling an air craft.

F0_Dark_P
03-05-2008, 04:20 PM
I think that you cant quite compare them.. sure they are both flightsims but very different flightsims..

roybaty
03-05-2008, 05:23 PM
You're using a...gamepad *twitch*.

HERESY!!!! I'm getting the torch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Buuuut seriously you have to put Falcon on that list, maybe even Janes F/A-18 Hornet (I have both, somewhere, I hope http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif )

Korolov1986
03-05-2008, 05:25 PM
I have Lock On: Flaming Cliffs but I haven't installed it since Starforce ate my DVD drive a year ago.

Choctaw111
03-05-2008, 09:14 PM
I have Flaming Cliffs also but there is just something about the Golden Age of flight, the WW2 era of dogfighting that fascinates me more than modern jets.

P18-38S_Ltd
03-05-2008, 11:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I mean, if you`re doing true comparisons of flight sims for flight simmers, should you not at the very least be using a Joystick? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm considering buying one but I don't have the money...
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

P18-38S_Ltd
03-05-2008, 11:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Buuuut seriously you have to put Falcon on that list, maybe even Janes F/A-18 Hornet (I have both, somewhere, I hope ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have one yet.
I'm buying soon after that sub sim I'm after for.

Sub Command http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
03-05-2008, 11:43 PM
SubCommand is another very good simulation. Playing it online is really tough, cause there are some great experts out there. Still, the game is a great simulation, though it lacks almost any eyecandy at all.

If you are searching for good simulations, Falcon4 has to be included for sure. It's over 10 years old, now, but the only simulation on the market, that lets you participate in a full war with literally 10.000 and more units going on in real time.

But I strongly recommend you get the original Falcon4.0, not the Falcon4:Allied Forces version. You can modify the original Falcon4 with some awesome mods, that give you full access to the complete F16s avionic systems, including full startup and stuff. My personal recommendation goes to OpenFalcon (4.5) which also includes a full 6DOF interactive cockpit! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

P18-38S_Ltd
03-06-2008, 12:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But I strongly recommend you get the original Falcon4.0, not the Falcon4:Allied Forces version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too bad...
What we have here is only Falcon 4.0 Allied Force.

http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/product_info.php?pr...28d1ee9a12f572904a2f (http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=102374&osCsid=25c9cd1a169d28d1ee9a12f572904a2f)

Oh well I guess I have to do with this one...
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/popup_image.php?pID...28d1ee9a12f572904a2f (http://www.datablitz.com.ph/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=102374&osCsid=25c9cd1a169d28d1ee9a12f572904a2f)

Airmail109
03-06-2008, 05:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P18-38S_Ltd:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Buuuut seriously you have to put Falcon on that list, maybe even Janes F/A-18 Hornet (I have both, somewhere, I hope ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't have one yet.
I'm buying soon after that sub sim I'm after for.

Sub Command http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sub Command is good!

Breeze147
03-06-2008, 06:16 AM
How can Janes F/A -18 be left out of this discussion? The most realistic carrier ops ever, plus the best avionics package ever. Team Super Hornet have done an incredible job of improving performance and have created a myriad of add-ons.

I have noticed that F/A-18 is routinely snubbed on this forum and I simply can't understand the prejudice against it.

BSS_Sniper
03-06-2008, 06:41 AM
If you guys reread what the original poster said, he's comparing two games that he just bought. He's not comparing any other games for any other reason.

Bearcat99
03-06-2008, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Choctaw111:
I have Flaming Cliffs also but there is just something about the Golden Age of flight, the WW2 era of dogfighting that fascinates me more than modern jets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Breeze147
03-06-2008, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
If you guys reread what the original poster said, he's comparing two games that he just bought. He's not comparing any other games for any other reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once something is posted, it belongs to the public domain and can branch on any and every tangent possible.

Billy_BigBoy
03-06-2008, 01:16 PM
It seems to be I am in good company:
Sub Command &gt; still on my HD
Falcon &gt; still on my HD
Lo-mac &gt; still on my HD
IL2 1946 &gt; still on my HD (duhh)
Janes F/A-18 &gt; not anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Did I mention Fleet Command?

I think there is not one best sim. Each of these sims is great in it's own way, in it's own timespan.
And if you patch and tweak M$F$ all the way the adventure is great too. No other flight-sim gives you the opporunity to travel around the world in 80 flights that way.

Warrington_Wolf
03-06-2008, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crucislancer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by P18-38S_Ltd:
Successors of Il-2 Sturmovik and Flanker 2.5

This is just a comparisson of the two sims that I recently acquired.

Il-2 Sturmovik 1946 & Lock On Gold (with Flaming Cliffs)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have yet to pick up Flaming Cliffs, but I do like Lock On, mainly to fly the Su-27. Il-2 1946 runs better on my system, though. I still have the original IL-2 and Flanker 2.5 on my system.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have Flaming Cliffs and the Su-27 is a sweet handling aircraft but it's avionics let it down somewhat, the RWR is especially dated compared to the one on the F-15 and the A-10.
The fact that you cannot engage multiple targets at once, or carry the R-77 active radar guided missile (but you can carry them on the MiG-29) is also a bit of a downer.
The upsides to the Su-27 however (IMHO) are.
1. On a full tank you can still fly at full afterburner till doomsday.
2. The Infra Red Search & Tracking system means that you can conduct a radar silent attack and pop a R-73 up some poor sod's tailpipe without them knowing that you were even there (perfect for intercepting a High Value Asset).
3. The well known maneuvering capabilities of the "Flanker", which coupled with the R-73 IR missiles and the helmet mounted sight is vital in a WVR engagement.
4. Unlike the F-15, you can load bombs or unguided rockets to the Su-27 and the MiG-29 meaning that you can take on more types of missions (although air-air combat is still pretty much the order of the day in the Su and the MiG)
I picked up Lock On for a similar reason to you (I wanted the MiG-29) but I found that the Su-27 was superior to the MiG.
I have also been dabbling with the Su-25T and I have found that even though it is a dog to fly, it is more capable than the A-10 at SEAD missions because it can carry Anti Radiation Missiles, it can also carry guided bombs (laser and TV guided) which is something that the A-10 in the sim cannot. The Vikhr laser guided missiles and the gunpods are also very good at ruining some poor bugger's jaunt through Russian countryside.
Flaming Cliffs is well worth getting but it takes a lot of getting used to, you have to learn a new style of fighting but that just adds to the fun.

Breeze147
03-07-2008, 05:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Sniper:
If you guys reread what the original poster said, he's comparing two games that he just bought. He's not comparing any other games for any other reason. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It turns out you are right and I am wrong, as usual. I should stay out of serious discussions, as I am a well known jerk.