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Gunnergolly
04-17-2010, 05:24 AM
Hello

Has anybody used the Saitek X65 joystick ?, and if so what are your thoughts on the stick.

I'm using the original X52 at the moment, but the LED lights are starting to fail on it and i've always found the stick to be two light and soft and insensitive around the center...

The X65 carries a high price tag and not sure if it's really worth paying that amount of money or maybe i should just go for a cheaper stick.

What HOTAS stick would you guys recomend ?, i'd like one that has a progressive feel and good around the centre for aiming.

However the X65 with it's touch control would be interesting.

Regards...

Black_Ops7
04-17-2010, 05:46 AM
I you want a iron stick with hall sensors.
Then wait for summer 2010.
The thrustmaster warthog stick will be released (A-10 replica stick and dual throttle)

If you want a stick that will last you 10+ years without failing then get the CH fighter stick and CH throttle.
Its very precise and good in the center for aiming.
Only negative side is that the stick and the throttle is very light (depends on your preference if you find this a negative thing)

Dont buy thrustmaster cougar. Needs mods, unmodded it wil go bad quickly.
Mods cost more then the new upcoming warhthog stick so....

Logitech G940 has force feedback.
Reviewers say its good now..but will it last long? Someguy already reported his stick already feels different after few weeks of use.

Saitek X68f... no real motion in the stick.
It works like a real F16 stick would? It sens pressure and then sends a signal etc...
A wanna be ww2 flight sim stick needs motion in my opinion.
So for me it would be a no go.

Gunnergolly
04-17-2010, 12:36 PM
Thanks for your reply Black_Ops7.

My X52 stick still works ok, even through i'm losing the LED's one by one and so i'm going to take your advice and just wait and see what other people think of the Warthog stick.

It would feel a bit strange using a joystick that had no movement (X68f), but the X52 for me always felt to light however i'm sure other people may disagree...

Anyway thanks again for your reply and i'll just wait and see what this new warthog stick has in store...

Regards....

M2morris
04-17-2010, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:

If you want a stick that will last you 10+ years without failing then get the CH fighter stick and CH throttle.
Its very precise and good in the center for aiming.


Those CH Sticks need rudder pedals or you will not have rudder control.

K_Freddie
04-17-2010, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
If you want a stick that will last you 10+ years without failing then get the CH fighter stick and CH throttle.

If it does not have 'hall' sensors on the axis/rudders, it will not last more than a year (6 months if you're lucky) - otherwise you're not 'flying'
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wilburnator
04-17-2010, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Black_Ops7:
If you want a stick that will last you 10+ years without failing then get the CH fighter stick and CH throttle.

If it does not have 'hall' sensors on the axis/rudders, it will not last more than a year (6 months if you're lucky) - otherwise you're not 'flying'
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My CH Stick is 5 years old, my CH pedals are probably 8 years old. I replaced a pot for one of the toe brakes on the rudder pedals. Other than that, they have been flawless.

K_Freddie
04-17-2010, 06:15 PM
I see you fly P51 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

TheGrunch
04-17-2010, 06:21 PM
The pots that CH use are more expensive, better quality ones than those used by most joystick manufacturers, Freddie. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

K_Freddie
04-17-2010, 06:31 PM
Pots .. none the less - every component has a 'lifetime', some more than others.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGrunch
04-17-2010, 06:49 PM
Yeah, true, but when you compare the quality levels of commercial potentiometers you can see quite a wide range... These (http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Resistors-Potentiometer/Control-Potentiometers/1W-Single-turn-precision-potentiometer/65229) vs. these (http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Resistors-Potentiometer/Control-Potentiometers/16mm-Commercial-potentiometers/65222), for example. The latter are what you're likely to find in a cheap commercial joystick.
What's cheaper, buying a crappy new stick like the Thrustmaster T1600M every few months or buying some expensive new potentiometers for a CH every few years?
Obviously the best case scenario is a good stick with Hall-effect sensors, but there aren't many of those around that are both a) reasonably priced and b) problem-free (e.g. the X52's unusual magnet mounting that leads to transitional flats and its dodgy software).
Anyway, it's not like I follow my own advice, I'm planning to either get the G940 and hope the software improves or do some DIY flightstick-surgery. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Wilburnator
04-18-2010, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
I see you fly P51 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I have P51 sig pic. It's approriate to the 353rd FG... although I fly a 109 most of the time.

As if that has anything to do with anything...

My CH gear has lasted. Wink all you want, lol.

WTE_Ibis
04-18-2010, 06:14 AM
Ch all the way.
mine's five years old and as good as the day I bought it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

julian265
04-18-2010, 07:32 AM
The pots in the CH stuff are also very easy to replace also.

At the end of the life* of my CH flightstick pro, however, there was some slack in its gimbal components. I had never lubricated them though.

*It didn't die however, it was an ancient Mac ADB version, and I tied to convert it to HE sensors with some success, but it wasn't long lived.

Insuber
04-18-2010, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by TheGrunch:

Obviously the best case scenario is a good stick with Hall-effect sensors, but there aren't many of those around that are both a) reasonably priced and b) problem-free (e.g. the X52's unusual magnet mounting that leads to transitional flats and its dodgy software).


Grunch,

I modified the magnets of my X52pro, it's a simple mod and it can be easily googled. Now it works flawlessy (apart my mistake of inverting the polarity of each axes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif, easily solved on the Il2 hardware setup ...).
Not that before I had issues anyway, it's a good hotas with some potentiometer issues (twist, throttle), as of nearly all them are.

Regards,
Insuber

B_O_L_T
04-19-2010, 09:02 AM
I just upgraded from the x52 to the g940 and it is a decent setup, a few small niggles, mostly software related that are already being addressed by the devs. One point I feel the need to mention at this point, is the value of ffb, many feel it is a gimmick, but being able to feel the onset of a stall or rounds striking your plane allows the user to fly much closer to the edge more often than flying without ffb; in rof it has been a godsend when flying the touchy sopwith. One point that does drive me mad about the g940, is the lack of detents on the rotaries making it almost impossible to centre them during flight, without pausing and checking them visually to ensure the markers line up.

I was also able to secure a trial of the saitek x65f from a good friend and should mention that the lack of motion from the stick is quickly adapted to and forgotten about, only the lack of ffb and the inclusion of pedals as part of the set swung things the g940's way for me. However, the saitek has the better software at this point and offers more functionality, if you fly modern sims too, such as black shark or lomac you may be better served by the saitek. Or do as others have said and wait on the CH warthog which looks like it will be a beast, however, at this point there is no firm release date nor idea of pricing and I needed a new stick asap and wasn't prepared to wait.

Black_Ops7
04-19-2010, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by B_O_L_T:
.. at this point there is no firm release date nor idea of pricing and I needed a new stick asap and wasn't prepared to wait.

yes there is.
I got some info and i did post it.
But Thrustmaster took the time and effort to contact ubisoft to get the information removed from this forum....

its priced below the Saitek X68f price and above the Logitech G940 price.

I hope that CH products will announce something new.... but they seem even more tight lipped then Thrustmaster.

Today i also thought, why not go all the way and go semi authentic (at least more autehntic then saitek,CH,Thrustmaster for a ww2 simptit) and buy stuff from Tarmac aces: http://www.valiant-studio.eu/t...c/html/en/hangar.php (http://www.valiant-studio.eu/tarmac/html/en/hangar.php)

But they stopped taking orders at the moment
Tried to email them but all my emails to them get blocked as spam on their side http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
I hope their rudder pedals got a wrong price tag on the website.... 1 600 euro? is that 1600 euro or 600 euro? 600 is doable, kinda... but 1600 euro is crazy for rudders only.

Urufu_Shinjiro
04-20-2010, 06:03 PM
I've read bad things about the Tarmac aces stuff. Also I think they have gone out of buisness.

TheGrunch
04-20-2010, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Insuber:
I modified the magnets of my X52pro, it's a simple mod and it can be easily googled. Now it works flawlessy (apart my mistake of inverting the polarity of each axes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif, easily solved on the Il2 hardware setup ...).
Not that before I had issues anyway, it's a good hotas with some potentiometer issues (twist, throttle), as of nearly all them are.

Regards,
Insuber
Yeah, I almost went for the X52 when I read about that mod, but I had the X45 for ages, and I got a bit sick of the centre-play and the high forces near centre compared to near full-deflection, which I read were pretty similar on the X52. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Black_Ops7
04-21-2010, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
I've read bad things about the Tarmac aces stuff. Also I think they have gone out of buisness.

i cant find reviews of tarmac aces stuff.
anybody make something similar?

Sokol__1
04-21-2010, 01:48 PM
Not replicas like Tarmac Aces:

http://www.schreinerschmid.com/11501.html

Sokol1

Black_Ops7
04-21-2010, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Not replicas like Tarmac Aces:

http://www.schreinerschmid.com/11501.html

Sokol1

oooh man those Me109 rudders pedals are uber cool.
look at the quality.

i think it beats the crap out of F16simped,CH pedals,Saitek pedals. (yes its a completely other price class... i know)

if i still would be a single man.... i would order the Me109 en rudder pedals right now.

instead of ordering right now.... i day dream right now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

wolf-striked
04-21-2010, 04:43 PM
Note to self ....do not get married!

VMF-214_HaVoK
04-22-2010, 09:16 AM
CH Products are of the highest quality and have thousands upon thousands of loyal fans worldwide. You simply will not find a Hotas setup that will out last it, quality wise. Wish I would have realized that fact sooner before I wasted so much money on other brands. All is well now though.