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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:45 PM
Woohoo, Cat 3.7's and 1.1 patch in the same day! Is it my birthday or what?



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:45 PM
Woohoo, Cat 3.7's and 1.1 patch in the same day! Is it my birthday or what?



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:48 PM
Maybe not such a good pesent after you try them both../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:53 PM
Buzz Stop with the Negative Vibs bro /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 09:53 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Maybe not such a good pesent after you try them
- both..


Where the hell is Rogodin when you need him /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:00 PM
He is right here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Don't be immature buzz-you old geezer.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:01 PM
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"Those who long for exaltation look upwards. But I look downwards for I am the exalted." This was a quote from Nietzsche as he flew in his FW190 @ 20,000ft looking downwards.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:02 PM
I said maybe. Lighten up knuckleheads. Was 3.6 that good?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:06 PM
The Cat3.7 have been extensivly tested by a board of nvidia engineers (using nvidia extensions to run on their 5900U) and they have reached this conclusion:

"We have found that the performance of the 5900U using the cat 3.7s has increased tenfold over out own drivers"-managment "ati's goldenstand for drivers has been realized here at nvidia and we constucted a deal with ati to outsourse their driver team and will have them working on the next Catalator 4.1 release, a universal ati-nvidia unified driver. Thank You"

It's friggin unbelievable but here is the url.

www.spaceteleportationandsinewavetheory.com (http://www.spaceteleportationandsinewavetheory.com)

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Message Edited on 09/04/03 02:07PM by Rogodin

Message Edited on 09/04/0302:08PM by Rogodin

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:07 PM
Rogo finally lost it. I knew i'd wear him down.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:08 PM
Is 3.7 worth a d/l? I currently have Cat3.4.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:11 PM
The only way I've found to cope with buzz's maddening persistance is to let my mind walk away as I read his posts /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The CAT3.6s ran "Perfect" much faster than the 3.4s and the 1.1b patch fixed the artifact problem (wasn't an ati problem in the first place).

The 3.7s are supposed to be even better /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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"Those who long for exaltation look upwards. But I look downwards for I am the exalted." This was a quote from Nietzsche as he flew in his FW190 @ 20,000ft looking downwards.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:12 PM
Here's just a snippet from Catalyst 3.7 Release Notes, particularly important for IL-2 FB game:

Resolved Issues>

The Windows XP system not responding when attempting to launch IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles if the display resolution is set to 1024x768 32bpp is now resolved. This issue was known to occur on the RADEONT 9700, 9600, and 9500 series of cards

Enabling Anti-Aliasing and attempting to take a screen shot results in a corrupt capture when running OpenGL games such as, CounterStrike, Half-Life, Quake III or Medal of Honour: Allied Assault



Known but not resolved Issues>

Setting the Landscape details to Perfect in the game IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles results in the system not responding during track playback


...just to keep this thread mature and worth a look /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



Message Edited on 09/04/0311:24PM by Erbriac

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:14 PM
Hate to keep bringing this up, as i was just fooling around in this thread. However, if you insist that the 3.5/3.6 drivers were perfect for everybody. How do you explain this from the FB readme?


NB: Note to ATI users
We strongly recommend using ATI Catalyst 3.4 Driver, because versions 3.5 and 3.6 may cause lock-ups in Perfect Mode. This problem may be solved with the next version (3.7) of the ATI drivers.


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:18 PM
wow!!

New Features:
The CATALYSTT driver now provides a Triple Buffering Option. Enabling Triple Buffering has the potential to increase performance under certain conditions. Please refer to the help file of the feature for additional information. This new feature is located in the OpenGL Compatibility Settings tab.

Performance Improvements:
As with most CATALYSTT releases, the performance has increased in numerous situations. Here are some examples observed in CATALYSTT version 3.7. These include.
. Pixel Shader processing has been enhanced across all of our DX9 products. As a result, certain PS 2.0 ShaderMark tests are now running as much as 12% faster.
. Unreal Tournament 2003 performance is up considerably for DX9 products running with Anti-Aliasing enabled. This is due to improvements in the driver code for rendering character shadows. For example, the Anubis botmatch test gains as much as 23%
. The result of this optimization is also apparent in Dungeon Siege, where gains ranging from 3-10% are observed on our DX9 product line-up, when Anti-Aliasing is enabled. Other game titles may also be improved
. RADEON 7000 gains as much as 25% in Direct3D titles when running at very high resolution (1600x1200). Aquamark, Comanche 4, Dungeon Siege, Expendable, Giants and Re-Volt all gain approximately 20% at this setting. OpenGL titles are not affected
. Modest gains of approximately 5% are noticed for our DX8 class of products (RADEONT 9200, 9000, and 8500) in OpenGL games such as Quake III Arena, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, and Serious Sam
Resolved Game Issues
This section provides information on game issues that have been resolved in the latest release of CATALYSTT.
. Running MS Links 2003 with Anisotropic filtering and Anti-Aliasing enabled results in vertical and horizontal lines being displayed within the game. This issue is known to occur under Windows XP with a RADEONT 9700 series card installed
. Switching the display resolution mode when playing Jedi Knight II or Quake 3 no longer results in display corruption being displayed on the top of the menu screen
. Unreal Tournament 2003 highlight corruption is no longer seen when the pull down menu bar is used to choose a selection
. The Windows XP system not responding when attempting to launch IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles if the display resolution is set to 1024x768 32bpp is now resolved. This issue was known to occur on the RADEONT 9700, 9600, and 9500 series of cards
. The Windows XP operating system no longer stop responding when switching the display resolution from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200 when playing Jedi Knight II
. Configuring the game NASCAR Racing to 1600x1200 32 bpp under Windows ME with a RADEONT 9600 series card installed no longer results in the system not responding
. Selecting the pin camera in the game MS Links 2003 no longer results in the ground not being drawn correctly in the sub window. This issue was known to occur under Windows XP with the RADEONT 9000 series card installed
. Playing a multiplayer game in the lost city map in the game Will Rock no longer results in the sky flashing black images. This issue was known to occur under Windows XP with the RADEONT 9000 series card installed
. Slow playback of the game Remington Big Buck Trophy Hunt is now resolved. This issue was known to occur under Windows XP with a RADEONT 9700, 9600 TX or 9500 series card installed
. Configuring the game NeverWinter Nights with Nice 4 Sample Anti-Aliasing enabled and attempting to launch the game no longer results in the system failing to respond. This issue was known to occur under Windows XP with a RADEONT 9800 SE or 9500 series card installed
. Enabling Anti-Aliasing and attempting to take a screen shot results in a corrupt capture when running OpenGL games such as, CounterStrike, Half-Life, Quake III or Medal of Honour: Allied Assault
. The Tron 2 demo no longer runs slowly on the RADEONT 7200 and 9000 series
. Anti-Aliasing support is now available for the game Giants Citizen Kabuto



that is pretty fricking good!

ps 2.0 shaders up to 12% performance increase! d3 and hl2 lovers are dancing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

as much as 23% increase in ut2003 with aa on dx9 cards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

all these improvments, and apperently 3.8(out next month) are supposed to be an even bigger improvment

quote from ati's driver guy

"ps. CAT 3.8 the biggest most innovative driver posting ever!"

good times!

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:20 PM
Who cares about the differences between what ATI and UBI says? It's a case of the right arm not knowing what the left arm is doing! What matters is that Cat 3.6 drivers worked for me. Now, here's the question, are the 3.7s better? Has anyone tried them yet? There's supposed to be a new Triple Buffering option for OpenGL. Does it help?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:23 PM
not tested yet here, but I readed this in the release notes:


...FIXED:
The Windows XP system not responding when attempting to launch IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles if the display resolution is set to 1024x768 32bpp is now resolved. This issue was known to occur on the RADEONT 9700, 9600, and 9500 series of cards


..STILL UNFIXED:
Setting the Landscape details to Perfect in the game IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles results in the system not responding during track playback

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:25 PM
Nice list for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Am I busting the balls of the ATI users? Sure! It's all fair. Ever seen a Nvidia driver thread?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:29 PM
- ..STILL UNFIXED:
- Setting the Landscape details to Perfect in the game
- IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles results in the
- system not responding during track playback

i dont understand this
cuz i know it works fine on my system...
but i hear others say it dosnt, mabey its card specific, ie 9000,9500,9800.
Or mabey people arent uninstalling thier old drivers before updating.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:30 PM
So has no one benchmarked them yet?

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:35 PM
- Am I busting the balls of the ATI users? Sure!
- It's all fair. Ever seen a Nvidia driver thread?

i think you are taking it the wrong way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

"Why do the ATI fanboys try so hard to convince us they have the best card?"

they arent, they are just trying to educate others on making an informed dissision. I bet you didnt even know about the 5900s poor performance in dx9 games. But now thanks to those posts(that you seem to consider an attack) others will.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:37 PM
Erbriac wrote:
- Here's just a snippet from Catalyst 3.7 Release
- Notes, particularly important for IL-2 FB game:


Sory, I missed your post and re post the same info /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:44 PM
Davinci..

I'll bet you I did know. I don't buy something out of the blue.

Maybe you shouldn't assume you know what I know.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:46 PM
So,Buzz tell us what you know,because I don't know what you know./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:53 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- Nice list for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- Am I busting the balls of the ATI users? Sure!
- It's all fair. Ever seen a Nvidia driver thread?


Well I will show you a nice list for a card with /* sarcasm = on; */ much less problems than ati /* sarcasm off*/

Nivia Detonators 45.23 release notes

KNOWN ISSUES:
*PTC Division Mockup: This application crashes during startup.

*Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2: Application hangs with a black screen when
starting a race with 4x or 4xS Antialiasing enabled with an NVIDIA non-
Ultra GeForce FX 5200 (Quadro FX 500) series graphics cards.

*Midnight Club 2: The starting screen of this application has corruption
when antialiasing is enabled.

*Big Mutha Truckas: When running this application, enabling antialiasing
with graphics cards in the GeForce FX 5900 (or Quadro FX 3000) family can
cause corruption during the introduction of the game and when ending the
game.

*Flight Simulator 9: Running this application under Windows XP with
antialiasing enabled causes corruption on the viewport.^

*Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003: Under Windows XP, when using an
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900 (or Quadro FX 3000) series graphics card, this
application cannot run with a 256 MB frame buffer.



This one is funny!!!!:
*NVIDIA Direct3D Logo: Under Windows XP, when the NVIDIA
Direct3D logo is enabled, certain Direct3D applications have rendering
problems. Symptoms can range from nothing being rendered to flickering.

ISSUES RESOLVED:

Significant issues resolved in driver version 45.23 are listed below:
*The display exhibits corruption in the Unigraphics 18.0.5.2 in drafting
application.
*Continued model rotation results in increased memory usage in Unigraphics
18.05.2 and NX 1.02.3.
*-deas 10 crashes in the process nbb.exe after a large virtual memory
allocation.
*Running The Sims 2 creates a blue-screen crash.
*Think3 requests Control Panel enables use block transfer option for OpenGL buffer flipping mode.
*CATIA certification issue: Problem with display list compilation causes incomplete visualization.
*A dragon model is missing from the Dragothic test in 3D Mark 2001 SE.
*The Add OpenGL tab shows a Stereo DIN pin option that is not available.
*Character truncated in NVIDIA Properties Direct3D tab under Windows
XP Japanese.
*In Windows XP Portuguese (Brazilian), there are localization errors on the
main NVIDIA Properties tab.
*Grand Theft Auto: Vice City exhibits significant corruption after a couple of
minutes of play.
*The walls in Splinter Cell have anomalous textures.
*Quake II flashes on GeForce 256 systems.
*Switching output devices on a desktop that has been rotated resets the
resolution to 640x480 from 1024x768.
*Command & Conquer: Generals shows corruption during scene-to-scene transitions in story mode.
*When 3D Mark 2003 is set to 2/4 sample antialiasing, its demo mode introduction is not rendered properly and it pauses between demos.
*Playback of AVI in full-screen mode tears on a T221 monitor.
*Digital flat panels go out of sync or blank when the Screen Adjustment
scaling is changed.

(the list continues...)


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Edit: the release notes of nvidia are IMHO better than ati's ones... much more complete


Message Edited on 09/04/0311:56PM by asmatic

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:56 PM
Oh would you stop this nonesence... did anyone tried it yet? Hunter where are you???


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:58 PM
we are unstoppable!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

(but not unlockable /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:01 PM
asmatic

Your missing the point. I never ever said nvidia cards don't have problems, and that the newer drivers fix them.

However, i've read many many times on this forum, that the 9700/9800 has no problems what so ever.


Does this help Ivan? Nope! Hasn't anybody tried these yet. Ivan is having a moment.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:06 PM
Buzz what has happened to you? Reading all your posts here you seem almost desperate? You own a 5900 Ultra and bash ATI for delivering updated drivers?

Am not sure that is what you are saying since I can´t comprehend it really. But you said you fool around and that would explain


and this quote:

I'll bet you I did know. I don't buy something out of the blue.

Maybe you shouldn't assume you know what I know

How the hell could you know? Didn´t you bought the 5900 ULTRA when it was just about brand new? Looking at the spec the NV35 is like dx 9++ whereas the 9800 PRO for example is like dx 9+. You could impossible tell by the fact sheets that the NV35 would be such a lousy PS 2.0 performance.

All we have had is indications that got stronger and stronger until now we have really proof of it. That is why you haven´t heard me raving about the NV35:s poor dx 9 performance.

Have the dx 9 benches hit you that strong you got 2nd doubt of your 5900 Ultra or what have caused this havoc???

From what I have come to understand you are a wealthy man and if you find your video card can´t hack it in the future you can purchase every new card out there couldn´t you?

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:07 PM
- Your missing the point. I never ever said nvidia
- cards don't have problems, and that the newer
- drivers fix them.
-
-
- However, i've read many many times on this forum,
- that the 9700/9800 has no problems what so ever.


to a lot of people they have NO problems.

i for example never sufferd from the perfect setting track lpayback thing, or the inability to take screenshots.

i have NO problems what so ever..

And about the 5900s ps2.0 capabilites. Your telling me you intentionaly baught a next generation card, thats only weakness is its inability to run next generation games well?

i wish i knew what you knew.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:13 PM
He didn´t know. Unless he worked for Nvidia and got inside information.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:14 PM
yep sorry,I have readed twice your post...

when you mentionned that "Anybody seen a nvidia driver post"
I just interpreted that nvidia drivers were issue free. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Cant try the drivers at the moment.. busy d/l the homeworld2 demo ^^

At least 3.6 worked fine to me... lets see if 3.7 works ok too!

S!

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:14 PM
oeqvist

It's not hard to understand if you just think about it. You don't even own a 5900. Yet, you know all about it. Why do you think I wouldn't continue to read about it? I'm always looking to see what i'll buy next.

As for this thread. I did start out busting balls, but was all in fun. Some of the comments got me a little serious. As this type of thread often does.

It just rubs me the wrong way when guys say the ATI cards have no problems. They have problems just like nvidia does. It will always be that way.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:14 PM
I have not done any extensive tweaking with the 3.7's yet.

Initial test show about the same fps w/BD track. I am averaging 36.9fps with all on excellent/1024x768x32/4xaa/16x aniso/no compression/trillinear filter.

This is on my 9800np with AMD 2100+ @ 200x10.5(2.1ghz) and 1 gig of PC3200 ram.

I will let you know about the triple buffering thing with more testing.

Right now, all is well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:15 PM
Check out perfect mode Coastie and thanks for posting on topic /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

God, i wanna go home

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:19 PM
I did a quick check on perfect mode. It ran fine with crimea map on qmb. It would slow down to high teens over the ships with 2 planes in the air. Otherwise it stayed in the high 20"s to low 30's.

That was with settings stated above. I have not tweaked at all yet.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:19 PM
Just ran over to my room to install the patch and the new drivers. One thing I really hate, but is trivial is that I've to reset all my desktop settings. Unfortunately, I was stupid enough to be overcome by temptation and try the patch out before installing the divers, so I don't have any idea of how well the drivers work just yet. Wait until 7EST. I'll benchmark then.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:23 PM
After some very quick tests, it seems performance is better with triple buffering disabled (all details at maximum, 1024x768x32, 4x AA, 16x AF, R9700 Pro).

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Message Edited on 09/05/0301:23AM by JR1911

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:24 PM
BuzzU wrote:
- It just rubs me the wrong way when guys say the ATI
- cards have no problems. They have problems just like
- nvidia does. It will always be that way.

Good point here

We, ati fanboys or not are arguing the same for a long time...

I still remember things like "Ati is teh crap" or "Nvidia good for gaming, Ati=bugs in hundred of games".

We, ati owners are trying to eliminate this ideas.
We care what we buy as much of you.
We recopilate all info availiable and finally we buy the card whe think is the best we can afford

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:27 PM
just finished first benchmark.

my pc is: athlon 1800xp
512 meg ddr ram
9800 pro
98se

with the 3.6 cats i got 3243 in 3dmark03 and with 3.7 i got 4087!!
in the pixel shader 2 test i went from 26 fps to 44 fps!!
not tried fb yet though.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:28 PM
It's not hard to understand if you just think
- about it. You don't even own a 5900. Yet, you know
- all about it. Why do you think I wouldn't continue
- to read about it? I'm always looking to see what
- i'll buy next.

Well as I have said previously I have owned a 5900 ULTRA. And I for sure couldn´t tell it got lousy PS 2.0 at the time because I didn´t have any dx 9 games to test it with, infact it performed really well in term of sheer speed while suffering in other areas.

All I am saying that how could you possible know about it´s poor PS 2.0 performance when you got it? And how much it would reflect on future games when you had no info to rely on?

I am quite certain those benches doesn´t lie. Not any of the nVidia people over at beyond.com seems to think that. And the results are quite even across the board on other benchies showing up as well as the Halo I mentioned and on different mainboards as well.


It just rubs me the wrong way when guys say the ATI
- cards have no problems. They have problems just like
- nvidia does. It will always be that way.

Yes but many with radeons doesn´t have any problem with IL 2 me included, even if there is some official bugs that everyone knows about. That doesn´t mean everyone suffers from it.

I don´t understand why that bother you, there are so many users here with nvidia cards that exaggerate the ATI driver problems just because they used to suck 2 years ago.

You can be sure that the nvidia owner bashing ATI drivers and ATI owner bashing nVidia drivers is like 100-1 to the first case I mentioned.

If you go to nvidia owner bashing ATI drivers and ATI owner bashing nvidias cheating drivers it get more equal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But sure no drivers are perfect. That has to mean that the game developers will have to make their beta testing to the full and not releasing their games to early and that will never happen...

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:29 PM
So do I. I'm already thinking my next card might not be a nvidia. What ever it is. You won't hear me saying it has no problems in all games. I know better.

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Hunter82
09-04-2003, 11:35 PM
Screen shot bug is fixed /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Perfect mode using S3TC makes no corruption using with/without S3TC, If using S3TC and enabling mirrors on Hurri and P40 results in CTD (my feeling is not ATI related since it's only specific AC). Overall performance increase is good, Triple buffering alone results in a 5-10% increase for some users.



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:40 PM
What a guy!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Thanks... going home in 5 min... got two patches and ATI drivers on CD...woohhoo!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:07 AM
http://www.amd-insight.de/tests/grafik/cat_treiber_vergleich_eng/

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:13 AM
I trust ATi over UBi Anyday of the week !!!!!

At least I got what I payed for from day 1 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif with ATi


Has anyone tested the 3.7 yet ?

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:16 AM
cozmo_d

You missed Hunter's post?

Tip..3 posts up from yours../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:20 AM
Kick arse Hunter strikes again !!!!!


Thx Buzz, Thx Hunter

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 01:43 AM
I can't wait!!!

I will have new drivers

New card (sapphire 9800NP from newegg)

New Patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And new amp and speakers for rear surrounds /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I have to wait 3 days before I get home to do it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


With the increase in pixel shader perfornamce I don't see the FX cards standing a chance in the new games coming out.

The nvidia built aquamark3 is going to be available for DL this coming week, I'm curious about how the ati cards will bench using it (since it's coded for the FX).

I've never propounded that my radeons were without problems-just like my geforce 4 tis, they all had problems, but it's becoming a myth about ati drivers (many sites award the radeons golden driver awards these days).

And if you want to see some problem go to nvnews.net and check the boards.

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:02 AM
ATI made it again /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i always use their laters driver whenever it come out, and the result always purrrfect.
whats more do you want from a video card maker??
you want it you got it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:07 AM
No matter Rogo. You can't get the best of me. Right now the 5900 is smoking in FB. Couldn't ask for more. When HL2 comes out. I'll have what ever is working best../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 05:12 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Nice list for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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- Am I busting the balls of the ATI users? Sure!
- It's all fair. Ever seen a Nvidia driver thread?
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a couple times in this forum alone /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif .
because NVIDIA post their driver twice a year, thats a fact!!
unless you want to use BETA driver which is they aren't responsible.

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