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laca25
11-12-2004, 03:14 PM
The Ai did it. It's really cool.

laca25
11-12-2004, 03:14 PM
The Ai did it. It's really cool.

The_Great_Stonk
11-12-2004, 05:35 PM
track ?

Fennec_P
11-12-2004, 06:54 PM
Its a biplane with flaps, how hard could it be?

Tully__
11-13-2004, 12:12 AM
Easy with cockpit off on a moving carrier, I haven't tried with cockpit on. I'd guess you'd need to use the Corsair style curved approach as the "below the nose" visibility is not real good on the J8A.

LEXX_Luthor
11-13-2004, 12:40 AM
If we get Flyable U~2 it probably won't be possible to land it on carrier moving at full speed...carrier runs away too fast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG77_Tintin
11-13-2004, 01:34 AM
A number of years ago, I remember reading about the 1940 Norwegian Campaign, where 46 Squadron Hurricanes landed on the deck of the carrier, HMS Glorious for departure back to England (and destruction by the Schanhorst and Gneisenau). This was done into a strong headwind, without arrestor gear and pilot experience in carrier operations. So I guess the Hurricane is a prime candidate for this type of test. Will give it go, sooner or latter.

Capt_Haddock
11-13-2004, 04:48 AM
Of course, it had to be tried http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and it's quite easy if you land in a curved approach.

If you try landing straight you won't see a thing, although in the real one the seat could be raised to see better over the engine cowling. Shame this feature wasn't available when the Aces pack came out.

Also keep in mind the J8A has 4 flaps, so the low-speed handling is excellent.

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STENKA_69.GIAP
11-13-2004, 05:51 AM
No problem here's the track - Cockpit on - watch that first then watch from externals.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/ptthome/69GIAP/j8-carrier.zip

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Tooz_69GIAP
11-13-2004, 06:57 AM
This was one of the first aircraft I tried to take off and land with on a stationary carrier. Almost couldn't get it airborne (figured out that I had to taxi to the end of the deck to get the longest possible run at it.

I managed to land it on a straight descent, but I unfortunately flipped it as I applied to much brakes once I was down, but it stayed on the carrier!!!! I have the track somewhere, but Stenka already posted his, so never mind.

Arm_slinger
11-13-2004, 11:14 AM
The brakes were a problem for me to, i have yet to keep it on its legs when landing. Also i find it quite hard to fly along at 60 mph, it just dont seem right for something to go that slow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

TX-WarHawk
11-13-2004, 11:24 AM
Now make the AI land a hurricane on a carrier.

tttiger
11-13-2004, 11:50 AM
J8?

Oh. you mean the beautiful Gloster Gladiator of the FAA, the prettiest BRITISH aircraft in the set http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yup. Landed on on a carrier yesterday and it was surprisingly easy (it can fly REALLY slow). Don't need a hook.

And my cockpit is ALWAYS on. Only arcaders turn off their cockpits..LOL...

No cockpit? Tully? That flushing sound I hear must be your image swirling around the drain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Willey
11-13-2004, 12:49 PM
little bit OT, but I'm wondering about the Gladiators in FB. We have both british Mk.I and II as AI (why still no cockpit BTW?). And one flyable called J8A. Now I found something like this several times:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Swedish Air Force purchased in 1936-37 three batches of totally 55 Gladiators, intended for the fighter wing, F 8, at Barkaby near Stockholm. The first batch (Gladiator Mk I) was fitted with 645 hp Bristol Mercury S 2 engines and got the Swedish designation J 8. The remaining aircraft was of the Mark II with the stronger Mercury VIII A engine (840 hp). The were designated J8A. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>http://www.avrosys.nu/aircraft/Jakt/108J8.htm

That means: J8 = I and J8A = II.
Now the I and II have one very distinct difference in FB. The I has a 2 bladed prop and the II a 3 bladed one. Now I assume that our J8A is not a II, but a I and should be named J8 instead. This would fit to it's relatively weak climb rate compared to the ones given in Il-2Compare (although they hardly differ which can't be with almost 200hp more for the Mk.II). It says 16m/s there and I get 12 at best. That's ~roughly~ the same diff in % like the hp of both models.

Yellonet
11-13-2004, 03:38 PM
The AI will (try to) land everything if you just set the waypoint http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif He almost pulled it off with a B-29... hmm.. he might make it on the bigger carriers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
11-13-2004, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
No cockpit? Tully? That flushing sound I hear must be your image swirling around the drain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ttt

S! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have an image worth saving??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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laca25
11-13-2004, 11:09 PM
Ok. Now try the B 239....looks pretty with the "right" skin. Let's say Lexington...

Tully__
11-14-2004, 06:19 AM
B-239 done, with a track and in cockpit, but a moving carrier this time. Had to apply a last minute surge of power to lift it over the fantail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but got it down in one piece. Forward vis really sux in most of those aircraft at carrier landing speed.

Heavy_Weather
11-14-2004, 10:57 AM
check this out: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/ohearns/IL-2%20Sturmovik/Forum%20Image%20Gallery/TB3CarrierTakeoff.jpg

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swingman
11-14-2004, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by STENKA_69.GIAP:
No problem here's the track - Cockpit on - watch that first then watch from externals.

http://perso.club-internet.fr/ptthome/69GIAP/j8-carrier.zip
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty impressive.
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Capt_Haddock
11-14-2004, 12:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
We have both british Mk.I and II as AI (why still no cockpit BTW?) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
That means: J8 = I and J8A = II.
Now the I and II have one very distinct difference in FB. The I has a 2 bladed prop and the II a 3 bladed one. Now I assume that our J8A is not a II, but a I and should be named J8 instead. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The J8A was a MkII fitted with a wooden propeller by the Swedish engeneers, unlike the British MkIIs with 3 bladed metal props. The cockpit is also closer in layout to a standard MkI, but it is in fact a MkII.

The flyable Gladiator has been modelled and textured to look like a J8A, although you could be right about the performance. I remeber F19_Orheim telling me that he suspected it flew more like a J8 than a J8A... Well spotted.

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Tooz_69GIAP
11-15-2004, 01:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
The flyable Gladiator has been modelled and textured to look like a J8A, although you could be right about the performance. I remeber F19_Orheim telling me that he suspected it flew more like a J8 than a J8A... Well spotted.

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Maybe that's summit to consult with Oleg over?? Maybe he got the figures for the aircraft mixed up??

Willey
12-26-2004, 06:38 PM
Interesting... http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/bump-smile.gif

TangmerePhilipp
12-27-2004, 12:27 AM
Over at Tangmere, we had to since our Malta campaign had us aboard the ship, west of the island. We did our ferry flight from the ship to Malta just this Sunday!

From now on it's going to be Hurricanes instead of Gladdies. Brought down a lot of Italian machinery in these most excellent kites so I won't accept any badmouthing of them!;-)

DD_NL
12-27-2004, 04:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TX-WarHawk:
Now make the AI land a hurricane on a carrier. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy. I'm working on a Jimmy Whalen campaign. He landed his Hurri back on the carrier with engine trouble shortly after take-off.
I re-created the mission, did it myself and also let the AI do it.

LStarosta
12-27-2004, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by laca25:
Ok. Now try the B 239....looks pretty with the "right" skin. Let's say Lexington... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or we could just try the F2A2 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.