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Trigger_88
06-26-2007, 02:30 AM
Online do you ever trick an enemy on your 6 thats shooting you by "playing dead"? If an enemy is shooting me somtimes I point my plane toward the ground at an odd angle and stop moving making them think I was PKed, sometimes it works and I turn and kill my unwary would be executioner =D! Its a good feeling! Anyone else do this?

rnzoli
06-26-2007, 04:50 AM
Not me, but I think LStarosta does this, even better. He bails from his plane by pressing Control+E, and then presses the secret keycode to jump back to the cockpit. I have seen this on my favourite arcade DF server online, works great, 100% sure kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Feathered_IV
06-26-2007, 05:20 AM
A few times I've avoided complete destruction by spinning to the cloud base (amid sundry LOL N00B and RotFL's from the chat bar) before levelling out and limping home. The antagonist probably wondered why he never got the kill.

On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

drose01
06-26-2007, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here.

Capt.LoneRanger
06-26-2007, 05:31 AM
Actually that is the only maneuver that works for me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Feathered_IV
06-26-2007, 07:00 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I know. Only twice in three years but. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif
Those were two fights where I was not going to let myself go down no matter what. I was pulling every trick I new to get out of the way and get back to base.

Deadmeat313
06-26-2007, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I know. Only twice in three years but. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif
Those were two fights where I was not going to let myself go down no matter what. I was pulling every trick I new to get out of the way and get back to base. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that actually shows remarkable initiative. There is no dishonour in being a devious opponent. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


T.

Capt.LoneRanger
06-26-2007, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny to read this, after watching a renown IL2-Player, yesterday, making a turn after my a/c crashed and going for my chute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

LStarosta
06-26-2007, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
Not me, but I think LStarosta does this, even better. He bails from his plane by pressing Control+E, and then presses the secret keycode to jump back to the cockpit. I have seen this on my favourite arcade DF server online, works great, 100% sure kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dammit dude, I told you that I'd send you my program™ if you didn't tell anyone about it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

neural_dream
06-26-2007, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I perceive what you are saying as the IL2 equivalent of political-correctness-goes-mad. He should have pointed the nose down and crashed in flames then? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LEBillfish
06-26-2007, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Uhhh...no it's not. In fact, it has been a tactic since the beginning days of air combat real life. We're not talking about playing dead then re-attacking. The discussion is a last ditch effort to survive, trying to escape as it was and then not so much hoping on anothers "honor", yet their desire to not waste ammo.

Honor given by both, one stating "S! good fight sorry for your loss", other, "S! well earned I'm out of the fight"........Trouble here is points not honor mean little, and that the point of your statement drose01, you're stating you're bent about the points lost, not that you took another out of action much longer then if they had hit refly.



As to the tactic it's a very valid one used through the ages from infantry, to subs, to planes, to ships, to tanks and so on....Rarely used to re-attack as said above, as during the oppossum stage you risk them putting just one more in you hence the stories of bayonetting the dead.

Here it's even more risky....People rarely conserve ammo to survive as they don't fear being killed due to such waste. In kind most have no concept of crippling as many as possible to get them out of the fight so point hungry, so shoot till wings come off....In kind many do so to insure "their kill" is not stollen.

Yet sometimes, rare times, it does indeed work....A last ditch effort, one I'd avoid till it's either that or a sure fire death.

rnzoli
06-26-2007, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The attackers got their beloved points, don't worry, an engine shot guarantees that.

So nobody lost, everybody just gained. Defender indicated with his engine off, that he was truly out of fight, had no chance to win anymore. Attacker became satisfied with this signal and left, preserving ammo for another target. I think this is good sportmanship and mature behaviour in the game.

Now, had Feathered switched off his perfect engine, waved off his attacker, and then restarted and shot him in the back...

.. that would have been completely okay, too, from the war simulation aspect. That's how it was back then.

SlickStick
06-26-2007, 09:52 AM
These types of threads make me LOL.

For me, any tactic, at any time, in any way possible within the rules of the server. That includes trickery and deceit using any in-game means necessary...clouds, stalls, whatever.

Trick, outwit, deceive, trap and damage as many enemies as you can. Protecting your wingman and the team win is all that matters!!

drose01
06-26-2007, 10:22 AM
LOL. We are playing a GAME.

In this game, we are interacting with real, live people (across the globe). FOR FUN.

In most of the servers we play, there are rules to keep things pleasant. No cursing. No strafing planes on the ground. No kill stealing. No shoulder shooting. No manipulation of internet connection. Etc.

Yet all of these people here, who would whine to high heaven about violation of these arbitray courtesies, on this topic adopt the attitude that "it's total war. Anything goes."

Gimme a break.

SlickStick
06-26-2007, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
LOL. We are playing a GAME.

In this game, we are interacting with real, live people (across the globe). FOR FUN.

In most of the servers we play, there are rules to keep things pleasant. No cursing. No strafing planes on the ground. No kill stealing. No shoulder shooting. No manipulation of internet connection. Etc.

Yet all of these people here, who would whine to high heaven about violation of these arbitray courtesies, on this topic adopt the attitude that "it's total war. Anything goes."

Gimme a break.

Some choose to game, some choose to simulate. Some do both equally well. That's why there are many different kinds of settings and servers. To each his own.

neural_dream
06-26-2007, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
Yet all of these people here, who would whine to high heaven about violation of these arbitray courtesies, on this topic adopt the attitude that "it's total war. Anything goes."

Gimme a break.
Not having your pilot commit suicide because your enemy didn't finish you off is "anything goes"?!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

LStarosta
06-26-2007, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
LOL. We are playing a GAME.


Says the guy who had an ethical breakdown when someone mentioned trickery in said game.

drose01
06-26-2007, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:

Not having your pilot commit suicide because your enemy didn't finish you off is "anything goes"?!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nope.

I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too?

SlickStick
06-26-2007, 11:57 AM
Ask no quarter, give no quarter.

Pigeon_
06-26-2007, 12:08 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">"All is fair in love and war"</span>

rnzoli
06-26-2007, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:

Not having your pilot commit suicide because your enemy didn't finish you off is "anything goes"?!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nope.

I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You don't fully understand the situation. To me, there was very limited deception. What is the practical difference between a dying engine, and a deliberaly stopped dying engine?

Is he out of fight in both cases? Yes.
Can he come around and reverse the situation? No.
Does it deprives the attacker from the deserved victory? No.

So what is the difference really? The defender lands maybe 10 more km inside his own territory, ideally at his own base. The attacker saved ammo. Who lost? Nobody.

So..why do you want the defender, with a broken engine, continue to fight and die 100% certainty? How does that fit "sportsmanship" and "cility"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif Why can't he signal "okay, I am out" and be let go sometimes?

neural_dream
06-26-2007, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:

Not having your pilot commit suicide because your enemy didn't finish you off is "anything goes"?!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nope.

I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok. So, say i am in this situation, what must I do to act in good sportsmanship? ctrl-e?

drose01
06-27-2007, 02:45 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Ok. So, say i am in this situation, what must I do to act in good sportsmanship? ctrl-e?

My original comments referred to an earlier poster who would shut off his engine to pretend that he was knocked out of the fight in order to sucker an opponent, who would then let him go out of a sense of honor/sportsmanship.

That strikes me as wrong. What I would do is keep on fighting, or try to disengage.

Shooting a dead engine plane is something I don't do. It is essentially the same as shooting a parachuter. If you killed the engine, you won the fight. To keep on firing is just trying to kill the pilot, denying him an opportunity to bail or to try to make a dead stick landing.

Don't get me wrong, this doesn't bother me that much, probably I shouldn't have posted anything. Its just that there is so much bad behavior online, it seems a shame to take advantage of people who are trying to "play nice."

Capt.LoneRanger
06-27-2007, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:

Not having your pilot commit suicide because your enemy didn't finish you off is "anything goes"?!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nope.

I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is a stupid equation.


The situation is not, that he fakes a foul to block the game. Taking your example, it is like faking a foul in order to not get beaten to death!

rnzoli
06-27-2007, 03:05 AM
Its just that there is so much bad behavior online, it seems a shame to take advantage of people who are trying to "play nice."

Fully agreed on that. We are just trying to tell you, that swithing off the engine is NOT taking anything away from the true sportsman being the attacker.

Actually, switching off the engine is a better signal to admit defeat and request letting go than navigation lights or gears.

drose01
06-27-2007, 03:15 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drose01:
I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too?

That is a stupid equation.


The situation is not, that he fakes a foul to block the game. Taking your example, it is like faking a foul in order to not get beaten to death! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Talk about stupid, this is unintelligible!

ViktorViktor
06-27-2007, 04:00 AM
Ask no quarter, give no quarter.



"All is fair in love and war"


I guess it must have been players who think like this who vulched me recently on the full-real servers.

But I must admit that vulching was a valid tactic in WWII.

~Salute~ !!!!

Capt.LoneRanger
06-27-2007, 05:54 AM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drose01:
I think it is wrong to take advantage of good sportsmanship through deception.

Kind of like a soccer player feigning injury after he is beaten so that the opponent might stop playing. Do you admire that tactic too?

That is a stupid equation.


The situation is not, that he fakes a foul to block the game. Taking your example, it is like faking a foul in order to not get beaten to death! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Talk about stupid, this is unintelligible! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only if you translate it into real life. But we're still talking about a game and if there was no such thing as death modelled, the forum would have much less whining about pilot kills, kill stealing and planes exploding.

Feathered_IV
06-27-2007, 06:24 AM
Ouch! This ones more prickly than a shaved wookie. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

I very much see where you're coming from though Drose'. Poor sportsmanship in online contests is something that dissapoints me too.

Maybe I should elaborate a bit on the circumstances. On those two occaisions I was over water and well below 500m. Too low to bail out and with no options left to me. The damage to my plane was such that I was struggling to maintain level flight. There was no way I could continue the fight or take even token avoiding action.

The first one was on the Spits vs 109's server about 18 months ago. I was in a 109F and clobbered something fierce by a MkVb. I'd fallen into a spin and was only able to recover at almost sea level. Much smoke, oil and moon craters in the wings. There was about 1.5km to the Normandy coast.

I struggled to stay level, while the Spit was making zooming passes at me (still more damage). I was almost there when he throttled back and dropped right down onto my six to give me the Coup de grace. That was when I cut my dying motor. I knew I was putting my head on the chopping block. The question was, would he take a swipe?

He didn't. I could hear him throtttle up and looked back to see him peel off to the right and climb away. A few seconds later, a "S!" appeared on the chat bar (I don't mind saying it was RAF_238th_Commander).

The coast slid under my wing and I was back over friendly territory. Curiosity got the better of me. Would my motor start again? I hadn't actually considered starting it up again until that moment. I hit the ignition and the motor fired up alright, then made some grinding noises and died altogether. I was at less than 50m by then. I dropped my flaps and bellied in and 238th Commander got his kill. S! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

The other time was about six months ago on the Australian FISC server. Normandy map again and I was in a Stuka that time. I had just clobbered a ship when I got set upon by three Huricanes that killed my gunner, wounded the pilot and set the engine smoking. I was twisting about as much as possible when the Emil's turned up and I was able to make a run for it. I really wanted to get my little guy home from that one, and when a fourth Hurri showed up I knew I was stuffed. I cut the engine and dropped flaps to put it down on the beach quick smart, before I got a wing sawn off. I was just flattening out for landing when I suddenly realised that everyone had buggered off and the immediate area was clear. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

I hit the ignition (powered landing being better than a dead stick one) and was greatly suprised when the engine came back to some semblance of life. Faithful Jumo! I was able to coax it up to 200m and stagger along the coast to the friendly airfield about 15km away, where I made a reasonably good landing. Just as my punctured tanks yeilded up their last wisp of fuel.

Strangely, those two missions were among the most immersive for me, where I was really giving my all just to survive...

Choctaw111
06-27-2007, 11:39 AM
If I shoot an enemy AC and see him start to plummet to the ground I can either assume that he is as good as gone or use more ammo and finish him off and "be sure" of the kill. If this is a pilot "playing dead" and I assume that he is a goner and move on in search of another target and that pilot I just shot at comes up from behind and shoots me down, what does that say about my situational awareness? I deserved to get shot down for a number of reasons. For one I did not make sure of the kill and two, I did not see an enemy AC coming at me to shoot me down. There is NOTHING wrong with this tactic at all. The only people who would object are the ones who "didn't see it coming". I have never had this happen to me but if it did I would have to give that pilot credit for tricking me into doing something stupid and then not checking my six for a long enough time to allow myself to get shot down. As embarrassing as it might be you can't blame anyone else but yourself.

LStarosta
06-27-2007, 11:41 AM
Drose....


When spoken to, newbie, when SPOKEN TO.

Divine-Wind
06-27-2007, 12:20 PM
Switching off the engine when you know it's gonna die anyways makes perfect sense. If someone drives by in a car and knocks a couple rounds into your engine, would you keep driving so he'd "get the kill" or turn if off before something bad happens?

Besides that, in this game you're basically saying "Good flying mate, I'm afraid it's time for me to head home," and the rest is up to your opponent. If he breaks off, he's either being honorable and letting you go or you've fooled him into thinking he's finished you. No dishonor on your part either way, IMO. If he decides to finish you off, well, he's got a right to, in my opinion. That is the point of this simulation, anyways.


The main tactic I use is to flip over into a stall or spin, provided I have altitude. Most of the time the guy will "lol" at me, meanwhile I am zipping away while people wait for the "Divine-Wind has crashed" message. Works pretty good for evading those Spitnoobs, provided I see them in time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

SlickStick
06-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ask no quarter, give no quarter.



"All is fair in love and war"


I guess it must have been players who think like this who vulched me recently on the full-real servers.

But I must admit that vulching was a valid tactic in WWII.

~Salute~ !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Vulching rocks!!! Almost as much fun as taking a bogey out of the air, but sometimes even more so as it creates an air of frustration for the opponent who cannot even get off the ground. Once they do, they are so mad, they make many mistakes in the dogfight and go down yet again!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

If you don't like vulching and it was allowed on the server, I suggest you find other servers that do not allow it, so you can be safe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


Originally posted by Choctaw111:
If I shoot an enemy AC and see him start to plummet to the ground I can either assume that he is as good as gone or use more ammo and finish him off and "be sure" of the kill. If this is a pilot "playing dead" and I assume that he is a goner and move on in search of another target and that pilot I just shot at comes up from behind and shoots me down, what does that say about my situational awareness? I deserved to get shot down for a number of reasons. For one I did not make sure of the kill and two, I did not see an enemy AC coming at me to shoot me down. There is NOTHING wrong with this tactic at all. The only people who would object are the ones who "didn't see it coming". I have never had this happen to me but if it did I would have to give that pilot credit for tricking me into doing something stupid and then not checking my six for a long enough time to allow myself to get shot down. As embarrassing as it might be you can't blame anyone else but yourself.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif 99.99%©

SeaFireLIV
06-27-2007, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
On two occaisions I have cut a dying motor and gone into a glide. Both times my protagonist saluted and climbed back up to altitude, thinking I was a confirmed kill. One of those times I was able to restart and regain base. The other, I made an unhindered belly landing after making it back over the coast.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
Gotta say this is poor sportsmanship and taking advantage of someone's civility. Surprised that you would admit it here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, most everyone`s already said this, I`m late. But it`s not bad sportsmanship at all. It`s very clever and yet very dicey. The pursuer could`ve just shot him down anyway. It`s something any soldier in trouble might try as a last resort, though I`ve never been bolshy to try it myself. He did say it was losing power too.

Of course, the bad part of this is, I might have to shoot down every plane that`s lost engine power in case they`re `faking` it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

drose01
06-27-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Drose....


When spoken to, newbie, when SPOKEN TO.

Oh, Ok.

I'll just PM you to ask permission before I deign to express an opinion here.

NOT.

LStarosta
06-27-2007, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Drose....


When spoken to, newbie, when SPOKEN TO.

Oh, Ok.

I'll just PM you to ask permission before I deign to express an opinion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good newbie!

Divine-Wind
06-27-2007, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Well, most everyone`s already said this, I`m late. But it`s not bad sportsmanship at all. It`s very clever and yet very dicey. The pursuer could`ve just shot him down anyway. It`s something any soldier in trouble might try as a last resort, though I`ve never been bolshy to try it myself. He did say it was losing power too.

Of course, the bad part of this is, I might have to shoot down every plane that`s lost engine power in case they`re `faking` it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif
Look at the bright side: Think of all the kills you'll get! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ImMoreBetter
06-27-2007, 01:55 PM
I played dead once. yesterday.

An enemy snuck up behind me and blew my wings to hell.

I pretended to be dead in the cockpit, pulling a shallow negative G dive. My goal wasn't to power back up and kill him, just to escape to fight someone else.

He put one more burst into me and flew off.

When I was near the ground I tried to pull up. Only to find he had shot up my controls with the last burst. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

neural_dream
06-27-2007, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:
When I was near the ground I tried to pull up. Only to find he had shot up my controls with the last burst. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
which is why he flew off. Read the system message "InMoreBetter's controls were rendered unusable by BadGuy". So, no proof that your little deception worked yet.

Divine-Wind
06-27-2007, 02:49 PM
Now that's Tacticool™. No need to finish him off totally, just pop his elevators. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Blue_5
06-27-2007, 03:06 PM
It is certainly a historical tactic in extremis. I can think of 2 examples offhand; one was a 110 pilot over England which is mentioned in Alfred Price's The Hardest Day and the second is a Spitfire pilot over France in Johnny Johnson's memoirs. Both got home (obviously, or we wouldn't know).

Personally I'd let someone go if their engine had stopped (though if it stopped immediately I'd probably put another 1/2 second burst in before my brain caught up). To me; I got them, hit them and they're probably out of the fight so time to gain some height and make sure I wasn't the next victim http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

If they fooled me and struggled home, well, good luck to them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DuxCorvan
06-27-2007, 03:20 PM
I usually bail out, and when the enemy plane is about to land at his airbase and celebrate my defeat, I crawl from behind in his cockpit and stab him in the back, slice his throat, take him out of the plane and fly back home.

Divine-Wind
06-27-2007, 03:38 PM
Hey that's what I used to do.



Wait a sec that's what I did in Crimson Skies. Nevermind.

Taylortony
06-27-2007, 04:54 PM
In the IL2 with all those lovely little bomblets I used to pull up into a climb vertically then release em, they all used to fly straight into em and kaboom.


The 190 I used to go vertical close the throttle, fire all the guns to go into a tailslide and clobber them as they shot past me........ then flip on my back and recover.

Divine-Wind
06-27-2007, 05:36 PM
So much fun to vaporize enemy planes with those napalm-lets™.

Of course, I've never done it, but I've seen it done and it looks cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

drose01
06-28-2007, 01:57 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by drose01:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
Drose....


When spoken to, newbie, when SPOKEN TO.

Oh, Ok.

I'll just PM you to ask permission before I deign to express an opinion here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good newbie! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL, the forum buffoon has appointed himself my personal moderator.

How about you just keep on posting pics of girls with big boobs and try to stay out of adult conversations?

Pigeon_
06-28-2007, 02:57 AM
Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ask no quarter, give no quarter.



"All is fair in love and war"


I guess it must have been players who think like this who vulched me recently on the full-real servers.

But I must admit that vulching was a valid tactic in WWII.

~Salute~ !!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well... it's not war, it's simulated war. So maybe not all is fair. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I don't think I will ever try to decieve my enemy by shutting off my engine and then shoot him down. Because (1) it's not very honourable and (2) I don't think a real pilot would take the risk of shutting off the engine just to get a kill. If mere survival is the goal, it's a whole different story. If another player shuts down his engine before I shoot him I will not continue shooting. He's signaling that he has lost and wants to go home. I'd probably give him a little escort too if the situation allows it.

On the other hand, I won't be surprised when somebody tries to decieve me by shutting of his engine and then shoot me. Maybe he sees simulated war as real war and thinks "all is fair". Anyway, if he actually manages to shoot me down in a severely damaged plane and a lot less energy than me... well then, well done to him! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

alert_1
06-28-2007, 04:26 AM
"Playing dead" tactic is not working on most online servers, there is usually a lot of steal killers, who dont care if you are PK or trying belly landing. They WANT your wing saw off at any cost. If there is deadkick active I always bailout safely if any chance I won be captured..I hate being killed, while planes are plenty my training was very expensive and lasted about 5 yrs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif