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DNBProductions
07-19-2007, 06:28 PM
Hey Ubisoft forumers and memebers. I am going to make this request fast, and its basically a plea. I know many have complained about the horrindous look of the Highlight of the targeting system...

And I would like to reiterate that. I am a tester over at THQ, and I understand the ways testers communicate to Developers. And would like to implore any Testers that may be viewing these forums to please question writing up the targeting system as a suggestion bug.

There has to be another way. Either it be tiny colorless arrow or a slight trick with the camera, the bright sheen must go...

Thanks. I hope this suggestion is taken into account.

I do love the Game and it hurts me to see this, it definetally detracts away from the experience. Have I played the game? No, but I have played games that have used the same targeting system and it detracts tremendously...

Also,

I have heard various big name sites lashing down at the highlighting Character function. . .

1up: "There is this ugly sheen over every character you get close to, it totallly detracts from the gameplay!" -Shane B

Cheapassgamer: "I saw assassins creed and it looks cool, but every near character has this weird glowy effect..." -CheapyD

Allgames.com: "The assasins creed looks like a cool game . . . what was weird was this shiny character effect they had, it didnt really work well..." -Scott Ruben

Those are from the various podcasts I listen to. As well as some websites post about how it is detracting as well!

Optional is all I ask!
Please?

Your friend,
DNB.

spenzur
07-20-2007, 03:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif yeah it hurts me too!

SloppyCracker
07-20-2007, 03:38 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

MoveMeant
07-20-2007, 03:41 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif 100%

SloppyCracker
07-20-2007, 03:43 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif 200%

StealthShottz
07-20-2007, 03:58 AM
Ummm, we have no idea what this targeting thing is about. I think it may have to do something with the sci fi twist and you may have action replay or something. I also think it detracts a bit from the game but I don't think it is anything to worry about. And no, a little arrow above their head would be a lot more stupid.

Woody990
07-20-2007, 05:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif
What is wrong with you people. What is so bad about the targeting system. Jade said it was just so you can know which characters you can interact with.

oh and about the arrow over the head idea - http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

P.S this post was aimed at everyone who is making a big deal out of something that is there to help you.

ScytheOfGrim
07-20-2007, 05:14 AM
i would really love watching some idiots here play without knowing whi they were looking at...

deskpe
07-20-2007, 06:02 AM
i like the target system, über cool!
damnt it people stop complaining, i dont want them to remove it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif [doubt they will do it anyways] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-20-2007, 06:04 AM
the targeting system has this weird, retro/modern/midevil look to it. i cant explain it, but its AMAZING. just like the HUD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Skaevola
07-20-2007, 06:11 AM
The targeting system itself isn't what I mind. If the game had started out with it, I'm sure we'd all be fine. However, in is an ordinary targeting system in an extraordinary game. The targeting system they showed off at E3 2006 (Altair looks at the person your targeting, and it was obvious who he was looking at) was an extraordinary targeting system, worthy of the game. I'm okay with the new one, but the old one rocked!

davo81
07-20-2007, 06:13 AM
There will probably be an option in the PC version to disable it.

spenzur
07-20-2007, 08:05 AM
ScytheOfGrim Posted Fri July 20 2007 04:14 Hide Post
i would really love watching some idiots here play without knowing whi they were looking at...

i dont say i dont want an target system but i dont like the target system they have now. I think that the target system in the x06 demo was much better and more realistic.

DNBProductions
07-20-2007, 10:13 AM
Ok guys, this is the Topic Starter (might be under a different name...)

How about this, we can all agree on:

Just have it optional.

That'd would be ideal.

gamepro11
07-20-2007, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
the targeting system has this weird, retro/modern/midevil look to it. i cant explain it, but its AMAZING. just like the HUD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
there is nothing modern about the middle ages. and its just putting the graph they use in designing
the game back over the character. it looks awful. why couldn't they just put a little star over his head or something. I mean it looks baaaaaaaaaaad http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

DNBProductions
07-20-2007, 10:23 AM
I feel something like this should be sufficient:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/DarkNessLord/assassintarget.jpg

if image doesnt show:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/DarkNessLord/assassintarget.jpg

gamepro11
07-20-2007, 10:28 AM
the little arrow is perfect, it is enough to show but not enough to be an annoyance. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

DNBProductions
07-20-2007, 10:32 AM
I have also heard various big name sites lashing down at the highlighting Character function. . .

1up: "There is this ugly sheen over every character you get close to, it totallly detracts from the gameplay!"

Cheapassgamer: "I saw assassins creed and it looks cool, but every near character has this weird glowy effect..."

Allgames.com: "The assasins creed looks like a cool game . . . what was weird was this shiny character effect they had, it didnt really work well..."

Those are from the various podcasts I listen to. As well as some websites post about how it is detracting as well!

Optional is all I ask!


the little arrow is perfect, it is enough to show but not enough to be an annoyance.

Thanks! It's only a sub option, but really anything would be better! I ussually prefer no UI! Or very minimal! But I know big companies tend to do UI no matter what.

gamepro11
07-20-2007, 10:40 AM
How do you put a picture under your user name? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Lhorkan
07-20-2007, 10:41 AM
Just a slight shader effect and no text floating out of the selected target would work for me, too.

gamepro11
07-20-2007, 11:21 AM
how do I put pictures on my post or under my user name.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

the_assassin_07
07-20-2007, 11:30 AM
the targeting system has this weird, retro/modern/midevil look to it. i cant explain it, but its AMAZING. just like the HUD

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That's exactly wat i was thinking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


-You can't escape the Assassin-

gamepro11
07-20-2007, 11:32 AM
HOW DO I POST PICTURES ON ALL MY POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

DNBProductions
07-20-2007, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> the targeting system has this weird, retro/modern/midevil look to it. i cant explain it, but its AMAZING. just like the HUD

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif That's exactly wat i was thinking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


-You can't escape the Assassin- </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You cannot possibly believe that it is "AMAZING" it's just your want to believe that everything that Ubisoft puts out is for the best.

It's great that everyone here loves the game and does not want to see anything negative, but these boards are a great place for the developers to realise what they should improve on and what they need to fix.

It's definetally not a place to just defend every aspect of the game. Thats what general gaming boards are good for.

You can show what you like and dont like, but just supporting blindly everything they do will NOT help the game.

Just take it into account, "Hey, I do like this feature everyone else does, why not figuring out a compromise." We dont want to give the developers the wrong view.

ThePheonix1030
07-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by gamepro11:
HOW DO I POST PICTURES ON ALL MY POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
No need for caps. I posted the guidelines in the 'it's almost over!' thread.

Back on topic, I like the highlighted effect. It doesn't bother me, and it goes with the sci-fi theme. Although I hope there is an option to turn it on or off so all you guys can stop complaining...

chewie1890
07-20-2007, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by DNBProductions:
You cannot possibly believe that it is "AMAZING" it's just your want to believe that everything that Ubisoft puts out is for the best.


Wow did you honestly just attempt to say he doesn't know what his own opinion is? Absolutely brilliant... Did you ever consider that just because you and some others don't like something that no one else can actually like it?


Originally posted by DNBProductions:
You can show what you like and dont like, but just supporting blindly everything they do will NOT help the game.

Just take it into account, "Hey, I do like this feature everyone else does, why not figuring out a compromise." We dont want to give the developers the wrong view.

Blindly supporting? Further thoughts saying that we blindly follow Ubi and have no opinions. Once again some of us actually like the targeting system.

A compromise doesn't bother me and it's something I said they should do about a week ago.

rogue_tom
07-20-2007, 03:21 PM
My opinion. I really don't like the targetting system. Like otheres have said about it detracting. For me it give the game an ugly feel. I would prefer to not have a targeting sytem to what we have now.

DNBProductions
07-20-2007, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by rogue_tom:
My opinion. I really don't like the targetting system. Like otheres have said about it detracting. For me it give the game an ugly feel. I would prefer to not have a targeting sytem to what we have now.

Thank you for the support.

I hope they take this into consideration.

Seeing that targeting system seriously made me reconsider this as my game most hyped this year.

xTKxHeadHunter
07-20-2007, 06:52 PM
IMO I like the targeting system, I think its fine. If its part of the main story then that clarifies that they have to put it in, and for all the people who dont like it, I do hope they put it as optional. We should just stop arguing and making all these threads and just let the developers do what they have to do now that they know our opinions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

StealthShottz
07-20-2007, 07:06 PM
I LIKE THE TARGETING SYSTEM

Not DNB's opinion or Ubisofts or anyone else's. I like it.

And no I don't take whatever Ubi puts out on a plate for me, I hate the way the new splinter cell is going.

AC is a brand new franchise and it is the first in the series that have a lot of experimental features going into it. Whether the feature is good or not depends on what the community thinks of it after they play it and that is what decides what makes the cut in the next game in the series.

DNB sorry to burst your bubble but the devs hardly ever check these boards. And when they do, they don't really look at the feedback they just give updates on the game. Atleast in the SC forum they don't check ever, maybe every 6 months they will post a little newsletter or something. And the team is Ubi Montreal for SC, same as AC so I would expect the same result of checking the boards.

Whether you like it or not, the targeting system WILL be in the game. Sorry, I have had my bubble bursted a lot on the new SC...

ilnadmy
07-20-2007, 10:21 PM
Ugh no, no arrows please. The character highlighting system works SO much better. You might say it detracts from the immersion blah blah, so what, an arrow over the dude doesn't detract from the immersion? Because assassins walk around and have magic arrows pop up on guys' heads that they are looking at, right?

If you really MUST get rid of the character highlighting system, then at least give us the option of whether or not we want it. I personally like it, and wouldn't mind having it instead of an arrow.

altairiscool
07-20-2007, 10:31 PM
I think the targeting system is totally fine. They told us it has to do with the top secret scifi aspect. If you don't want to be brought out of the whole middle ages deal which this 1 of 3 trilogy is gonna be about then you obviously pick the wrong game. Go to the damn rennaisance fair. Don't compromise a game that is supposed to have a scifi aspect. So, if you don't like that then I guess this ain't the game for you. stfu about the targeting system.

ThePheonix1030
07-20-2007, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by xTKxHeadHunter:
IMO I like the targeting system, I think its fine. If its part of the main story then that clarifies that they have to put it in, and for all the people who dont like it, I do hope they put it as optional. We should just stop arguing and making all these threads and just let the developers do what they have to do now that they know our opinions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
That's exactly what I said...

ScytheOfGrim
07-20-2007, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by DNBProductions:

You cannot possibly believe that it is "AMAZING" it's just your want to believe that everything that Ubisoft puts out is for the best.

say what!!!???
now you're trying psychology over the internet...
how can you tell what i "want to believe" in a post???
now that's plain crazy. you aint no dictator so dont try to rule what i say and do.


It's great that everyone here loves the game and does not want to see anything negative, but these boards are a great place for the developers to realise what they should improve on and what they need to fix.

its also a great place to tell them what they're doing right.


It's definetally not a place to just defend every aspect of the game. Thats what general gaming boards are good for.

who said we're defending anything??
we just liked it and said we liked it.


You can show what you like and dont like, but just supporting blindly everything they do will NOT help the game.
supporting blindly...?
you think we're like sheep? we go wherever the farmer wants us to go without doing anything or thinking anything???
you must think you're the farmer then...


Just take it into account, "Hey, I do like this feature everyone else does, why not figuring out a compromise." We dont want to give the developers the wrong view.
to tell you the truth, it aint a wrong view.
it's like one of those questions that can have multiple answers.

"do you like apples??"

now if you're expecting one answer that you approve of, i suggest you go back to the countryside.

sireatsalot91
07-20-2007, 11:45 PM
I couldn't agree more with Scythe. I think you guys are a little conservative and repressive. If I didn't know any better I would think that D*ck Cheyney was on the forum, lol. Also, maybe fighting was blocky with the lock on systme they had before where the enemy had to take three giant steps or something to alert the player what was going on, this way you have a better idea of whats happening in a much more fluid way. I would hate to play a game that just confused me, what's the fun in that?

Edit: Woops, didn't know that it wouldn't recognize his name, lol.

xTKxHeadHunter
07-20-2007, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xTKxHeadHunter:
IMO I like the targeting system, I think its fine. If its part of the main story then that clarifies that they have to put it in, and for all the people who dont like it, I do hope they put it as optional. We should just stop arguing and making all these threads and just let the developers do what they have to do now that they know our opinions. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
That's exactly what I said... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well.....ummmmm......SO!, Just kiddin! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Wolfgare
07-20-2007, 11:57 PM
I, too, like the targeting system the way it is now.

StealthShottz
07-21-2007, 02:01 AM
DNB, just please. Don't try and convince everyone about your BS or just gtfo.

altair4o
07-21-2007, 05:04 AM
I think the targeting system is very cool and when you highlight someone I noticed that only the highlighted person is focused and everything else is blured.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-21-2007, 05:06 AM
the way the game targets your enemies...has anyone else noticed that it's very cinematic??

donuts4u
07-21-2007, 04:22 PM
About the targeting thing, I think the difficulty on the demo they showed was probably on normal or easy because the guards were shining and easy to kill. The point is if the difficulty was on hard or expert or whatever...the targeting might be turned off and the guards would have been harder to fight. but who knows.

Clonage2006
07-22-2007, 04:43 AM
Idk, there's so many whiney people that it may be best to give the option to turn it ON instead of off. lol.

ScytheOfGrim
07-22-2007, 04:50 AM
usually, in free roaming games like this, there isnt a difficulty setting...

and i have a feeling that there wont be one for this game...

donuts4u
07-22-2007, 06:01 AM
hmm if theres no difficulty thats gonna be weird.. what if the game is a little easy to pass? wouldnt you want it more challenging? especially for a game like this. they spend so much time on this game i hope its at least challenging. i say this because i have a regular xbox and a 360 and usually most of the games for the regular xbox is just too easy. i juat speed run the whole dang game and next thing u know i beat it.

ScytheOfGrim
07-22-2007, 07:29 AM
same fear i have...

i think im gonna be so excited about the game that i'll play it so much that i'll finish it so quickly that i wont even notice it!!!

many "that"s in that paragraph...

but i have a nak for being able to suck out some fun from the free-roaming aspects of games...

donuts4u
07-22-2007, 07:44 AM
man grim..u must stay up late late..same here but just for today lol

ScytheOfGrim
07-22-2007, 07:47 AM
im a creature of the night...

why do you say that anyway???

donuts4u
07-22-2007, 08:03 AM
idk..u been messaging since 3 am my time. so yeah but its all good.

ScytheOfGrim
07-22-2007, 08:10 AM
dang...i have nothing better to do http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

it's only 6:15 here...so...im bored!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i still think the targeting system should stay people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

donuts4u
07-22-2007, 08:13 AM
all i know is that im goin to sleep now lol

ScytheOfGrim
07-22-2007, 08:15 AM
nighty night http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<STRIKE>hope the bed bugs bite... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif</STRIKE>

AltairBear
07-22-2007, 04:19 PM
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.

ScytheOfGrim
07-23-2007, 04:30 AM
Originally posted by AltairBear:
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.
interesting definition for "non creative"...a matrix style lock on system with letters that are too comprehensive for you to understand is not creative??....maybe thats why you see us as idiots...?


If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.
bsides insulting, you really have nothing to say...


It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.
plus one insult...that makes two...just incase you were wondering...


Don't be ****ing stupid.
three...i think you still have enough fingers to count that, right?


You are all just saying, "I like it!"
im saying that i LOVE it.


because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .
do you think that everyone is like you?
the reason WE joined is cuz we like the game, not cuz we wanted to become mods...idiot...


No, it looks like ****.
and that makes four...you can still count that on one hand...even altair can...


They are shining. How is that good!?
how is it bad? cars shine...so i guess thats bad too!!!


"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!
obviously you're too thick to understand what that means. it means it MATCHES the storyline. FITS INTO the plot. GOES and MAKES SENSE with what the creators are trying to do. dont say something when you yourself dont understand what you're saying.


No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.
what different approach does your hollow mind percieve?? you talk and talk, but know nothing. you must wiki for your facts, cuz only a senseless idiot like you would post what you just did.

BTW, that makes five(5). you can count it on one(1) hand, but altair cant...

moqqy
07-23-2007, 04:41 AM
Originally posted by AltairBear:
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.

all im saying is that... some people really like it -_- why should everyone think like you? i dont like it, but i understand that some people do. so why are you insulting people on opinions? thats the dumbest thing to do

LandoCoop
07-23-2007, 04:45 AM
I love it! and if the developers and programmers put it there.....then its there for a reason, and you shouldn't go against the programmers

ScytheOfGrim
07-23-2007, 04:45 AM
lol!
moqqy when i saw that you posted...i got scared tht i was gonna get into an argument with you!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

moqqy
07-23-2007, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
lol!
moqqy when i saw that you posted...i got scared tht i was gonna get into an argument with you!!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

what can i say.. im scary

Robbinho1992
07-23-2007, 06:11 AM
It should stay, as it does go with the "Scientist looking back thorugh someones bloodline looking at his assassin ancestory." Its got the glow becuase the image of the game is actually a computer simulation per ce, so they arnt actually in the 1000's, they are in the fuiture palying at the 1000's, so really its more of a computer simulation. Thats why the computer graphics and that. And why it also says Reintailzing every once and a while. And did you notice that at the X06 that they didnt have the hud, they they did, this "glow" would have been there.

Rant over.

the_assassin_07
07-23-2007, 10:40 AM
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.
Why should we have to think like you? Have you ever heard the saying Everyone is entitled to their own opinion? and sheesh man cut down on the swearing! ScytheofGrim has said the rest.

P.S.I love the targeting system!


-You can't escape the Assassin-

Ti.llama
07-23-2007, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by Robbinho1992:
It should stay, as it does go with the "Scientist looking back thorugh someones bloodline looking at his assassin ancestory." Its got the glow becuase the image of the game is actually a computer simulation per ce, so they arnt actually in the 1000's, they are in the fuiture palying at the 1000's, so really its more of a computer simulation. Thats why the computer graphics and that. And why it also says Reintailzing every once and a while. And did you notice that at the X06 that they didnt have the hud, they they did, this "glow" would have been there.

Rant over.



So, if they are in the future and just playing a computer simulation of 1191 A.D., then why don't they allow you (Altair) to use his modern knowledge to enhance his weapon for more damage, improve his armor, make effective poisons, or take advantage of any "modern" training in Martial Arts during combat? Not to mention the problems with Altair getting killed at any point in the game and what effect that might have on the person going through this simulation.


I don't see how you guys can argue for having it both ways...


First you say that we are playing a simulation of Altair's life during the year 1190 AD, then you say that we are somehow bound by the restraints of the year 1190 AD. So if we are bound by these restraints, why do we keep seeing all this matrix stuff ? Wouldn't that freak Altair out?

I guess a person might say, Altair doesn't freak out because he doesn't see all the futuristic stuff, he is just responding to prompts (like voices in his head) by the modern people that do see the sci-fi stuff through the simulated interaction. I would say ok- why can't we prompt him to improve his weapons, make small explosives, poisons, or use advanced Martial Arts.

Altair might not see or understand how certain actions or items might increase his success, but that (just like the matrix targeting system) is irrelevant because "we" see/understand how this is important.

If you are continually reminded that you are just playing through a simulation by the use of the matrix-esque targeting system and every time that Altair dies- you are reminded yet again that it's only a simulation that you can re-enter into by "rebooting" the program, then why is the game play so restricted to the limitations of a Medieval Assassin in the year 1190.

The player is able to use all this modern Technology to enhance Altair's abilities and thus his chances of success, but somehow we are not able to do some basic stuff that would also improve our chances.

Besides, it just a lame plot point. You don't really have to stress all these futuristic effects to push the idea that this is a simulation. This simulation point can be presented in a number of more subtle ways that don't introduce all these additional plot problems and take the player out of being immersed in the 1190 time frame.

Additionally, this argument that it's 'necessary' to have a glow-in-the-dark targeting system because it advances the plot and provides continuity for a sequel (or line of sequels), is pure rubbish. A sequel could be totally unrelated to Altair or his genetic descendants. The idea that any sequel would have to be connected with Altair's genes is ridiculous. Ninja- Creed, WWII- Assassins, or Cold Warriors are just some examples of a time frame that any sequel could take-on.

The Game developers could drop Altair's bloodline completely and introduce the players to an entirely different set of characters, just like they could ( and probably will ) drop this ridiculous targeting system in future games, and none of you would complain.

Robbinho1992
07-23-2007, 11:17 AM
Its a game....ok....they needed a HUd...they put one in.....If you cant handle something flashing on a screen, then **** off. How does it distract, im more concerntrarting on what im doing than actually saying "i dont like this, it ruins it", how...its flashs, you should be concerntrating on what you are doing. Its an addition...we dont know how all this will add together, and we wont know untill it comes out and we complete....All this sci-fi might be added to the deeper conspracy. I think we should all relax and leave this to the developers, if they have this targeting system, they obviousl think it'll make money and a good experience. They're gamers too, they know what they are doing.

DNBProductions
07-23-2007, 11:36 AM
Ti.llama
But, but Ti.llama! Then how would we know its in the future! The targeting system helps us know that its the futturee!! /sarcasm.

I agree with all of your points. It's just silly to think that having characters glow empathizes that its suppose to be a "simulation". Ok. So the flickering of scifi effects and electric plasma clouds is not enough? You have to have the character glow to? So this means that in a simulation if you look at someone they glow and letters go around them? Why?

It tis Ugly. And no it doesnt JUST take you out of being an assassin back in the day, but it takes you OUT of the game all together.

Many lesser titles have preformed this "Character glowing" system and are directly linked to the future or not at all. And it still doesnt work! It doesn't MATTER what the story is. It is still ugly.

Ti.llama
07-23-2007, 11:55 AM
Additionally, I think it's totally absurd that UBI is playing coy with the futuristic elements of the game, especially when you consider that some of the Developers have stated (in Video Interviews) that the first 5 minutes of the game set the context of the futuristic elements.

How can you justify secrecy and not making comments about something that is revealed in the first 5 minutes of game play?

Absurd.

I'm a skeptical person by nature, and it seems to me that UBI is playing the secrecy card as a way to avoid answering some of the tough questions.

lostmantech
07-23-2007, 12:05 PM
Originally posted by AltairBear:
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.

I just want to say that this is not the right approach to get anything changed in a game, or make friends. I don't know how old you are, (I'm hoping middle school) but this is an obtuse perspective that I don't think anyone responds well to. Anyone reading this, please do not sound like this when you offer criticism. No one will take you seriously.

DNBProductions
07-23-2007, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by lostmantech:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AltairBear:
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.

I just want to say that this is not the right approach to get anything changed in a game, or make friends. I don't know how old you are, (I'm hoping middle school) but this is an obtuse perspective that I don't think anyone responds well to. Anyone reading this, please do not sound like this when you offer criticism. No one will take you seriously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He was on the right track.

But the track was damn bumpy for him...

It's define tally not something people respond to. But it is frustrating with all these naysayers of the ugly targeting system! hehe.

Ti.llama
07-23-2007, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by lostmantech:


I just want to say that this is not the right approach to get anything changed in a game, or make friends. I don't know how old you are, (I'm hoping middle school) but this is an obtuse perspective that I don't think anyone responds well to. Anyone reading this, please do not sound like this when you offer criticism. No one will take you seriously.



I sympathize with AtairBear's frustrations.

The whole group dynamic thing, where people are emotionally hurt by any criticism of the game- is kind of weird.

If a result of some of this criticism is that the developers make something like the 'targeting system' a toggle, then what we have is a better game as a result. You would think that if everyone really wants to make this game the best it can be, it would make more sense for everyone to support a call for making this a feature that is turned on/off in the menu. Instead what we see are people telling the critics to shut-up and stop whining.

Makes you wonder if they want what's best for the game or what's best for themselves.



-llama

lostmantech
07-23-2007, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Ti.llama:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lostmantech:


I just want to say that this is not the right approach to get anything changed in a game, or make friends. I don't know how old you are, (I'm hoping middle school) but this is an obtuse perspective that I don't think anyone responds well to. Anyone reading this, please do not sound like this when you offer criticism. No one will take you seriously.



I sympathize with AtairBear's frustrations.

The whole group dynamic thing, where people are emotionally hurt by any criticism of the game- is kind of weird.

If a result of some of this criticism is that the developers make something like the 'targeting system' a toggle, then what we have is a better game as a result. You would think that if everyone really wants to make this game the best it can be, it would make more sense for everyone to support a call for making this a feature that is turned on/off in the menu. Instead what we see are people telling the critics to shut-up and stop whining.

Makes you wonder if they want what's best for the game or what's best for themselves.



-llama </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I completely agree with his point. I (personally) think the matrix thing is the stupidest possible way to do this targeting system.

My point was that when you call everyone stupid for not agreeing with your point of view, and line every sentence with a "****ing" it doesn't matter if I agree with you or not, I don't take you seriously, and nothing positive (like a change in the game) will come out of it. I'm agreeing with the point, just not the approach.

gamepro11
07-24-2007, 02:40 PM
I hate the targeting system to. but I think they made it look futeristic and glitchy because the game is going to have a futeristic element in the later sequals.

MoveMeant
07-24-2007, 04:25 PM
it is not because i dont like the effects of the target system with all the light and glow it is just because it ruins the authetic feeling of being an medieval assassin in the 3'rd crusade.

if it was up to me i would remove all the future, sci fi twist or what ever it is and just leave as a "you are an assassin in the 3rd crusade" game.

- cuz' i reaaaally like the historical period of the early crusades!<-it is so <span class="ev_code_RED">1337</span>

sireatsalot91
07-24-2007, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by MoveMeant:
it is not because i dont like the effects of the target system with all the light and glow it is just because it ruins the authetic feeling of being an medieval assassin in the 3'rd crusade.

if it was up to me i would remove all the future, sci fi twist or what ever it is and just leave as a "you are an assassin in the 3rd crusade" game.

- cuz' i reaaaally like the historical period of the early crusades!<-it is so <span class="ev_code_RED">1337</span>

Your not really a midevil assassin though. Your just a guy on table with plugs in your head reading the memories of a midevil assassin. i know what you mean, but i keep thinking that the game will be really strongly based in the future. I think everyone thinks that it will almost all be in past, but the character/host is in the future and I'm confusing myself. Its like watching the Back to Future movies forwards, then backwards, and then out of order....ahhhh! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

the_assassin_07
07-25-2007, 01:34 AM
Wow... I'm confused now....
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SloppyCracker
07-25-2007, 01:40 AM
quote:
Originally posted by AltairBear:
Nah, you guys are just stupid non creative idiots.

If you think that targeting system that was shown is fine-great. Then you a ****ing idiot.

It looks like ****. The character is GLOWING.

Don't be ****ing stupid.

You are all just saying, "I like it!" because you dont want to diss your little precious game that you spend hours upon hours looking at so you feel if you dont say anything bad about it and take whatever the developers give you, that maybe they'll be like "hey random internet guy, you love our ideas? You are now a mod!" .

No, it looks like ****.

They are shining. How is that good!?

"It ties into the SCIFI story line!" What!? So every scifi games characters should glow? Wow!

No its just the UI constructors trying to make themselves look like they are doing their job so they over exaggerate everything. And they are lazy and throw **** on the game cause they dont want to take a different approach.

Get well soon. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

RBedlam
07-25-2007, 02:58 AM
I've seen most of the demo's and have to agree, this glowing wire-mesh targeting system does not work well. The overall game looks great, I can't wait to play it, but I worry that the Sci-Fi targeting system (which looks like a blue version of the Matrix to my eye) will steal away any illusions of the archaic 3rd Crusade. Hopefully this futuristic wire-mesh glow is simply Altair's Eagle Vision and can be turned off at any time, leaving the screen clear.

I understand there are futuristic undertones in the game (Can't wait to see them!) but why not make them a little more subtle. In the PS3 demo it seemed like every other character was covered in blue neon. It all looked just a little too much.

I've seen the Xbox demo about 500 times now (you know, the one where he rides a horse at the start) and saw no wire-mesh targeting system. Actually there is nothing on screen but Altair and the surrounding city – his health bar, weapons menu etc only seem to appear when they are activated. This is a good idea which I hope Ubisoft employ.

All of this aside I think Assassin's Creed is going to be an amazing game, definitely the best so far for the next-gen. The free-running, the jumping, the character interaction all look very stylish and smooth.

LandoCoop
07-25-2007, 03:01 AM
Welcome to the boards man. Nice first post. Mine was about my dream i had http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Altair_92
07-25-2007, 03:05 AM
I like the targeting system, I just wish that it wasn't as bright. But it obviously has something to do with the scifi twist. I think that it will become very helpful throughout the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS: A lot of AC fans and gamers overall complain too much. Look at what YOU GET and not at what YOU DON'T GET. Pick pick pick is all you people do. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

LandoCoop
07-25-2007, 03:09 AM
With the targeting system i think Altair focuses on the people so thats why theres like this glow around them to make them stick out.

ScytheOfGrim
07-25-2007, 03:49 AM
my point, exactly.

remember that interview where jade said that the building are based on ancient houses of that era, but the colour shemes of the actual game and altair's surroundings have a modern look about them??

just thought that some people should have been prepared to see a targeting system like this since jade already hinted about it.

what are you people going to whine about next??
the "progress saved" icon that appeared on the left side of the screen???

or how about the cover for the game??

ooo!ooo! maybe we should complain about altair's missing finger next!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

RBedlam
07-25-2007, 04:15 AM
Thanks for the greeting Lando_Coop. I'll read about your dream when I get the chance.

I just want to stress that I'm not complaining, just voicing my opinion. I'll be happy no matter what the came looks like. It's just that when you're running through these old broken streets or leaping from one lofty rooftop to another while dodging arrows, it seems a bit odd to have this ultra slick targeting system popping up every couple of seconds. It sort of steals away from the era of the game.

As Jade stated, AC is still a work in progress. Whether they do away with the targeting system or not I'm sure the final version will be utterly brilliant.

SloppyCracker
07-25-2007, 04:18 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif It... will be... awesome...

unnamedninja
07-26-2007, 02:19 AM
Created an account just to make this post:

Please devs i hope you guys read the forums, the targetting system kills immersion. I understand that the game has futuristic elements and the game is some kind of simulation, but the current targetting is visually jarring and distracting.

I'm with everyone asking for it to be optional, and for a different, more subtle setting to be selectable.

Thanks guys, keep up the good work! you're going to change the gaming world with this one

the_assassin_07
07-26-2007, 02:24 AM
Created an account just to make this post:
I've always hated people who do that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
and not another person who hates the targeting system IT IS TOP CLASS.
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unnamedninja
07-26-2007, 02:28 AM
Sorry is this your board or something? If creating an account to make a single post isn't allowed then you can remove me if you want.

This game is coming to the entire world, not just the select few of this board, i voiced my opinion without casting judgment on anyone else, and here you are being rude to me.

Altair_92
07-26-2007, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by unnamedninja:
Sorry is this your board or something? If creating an account to make a single post isn't allowed then you can remove me if you want.

This game is coming to the entire world, not just the select few of this board, i voiced my opinion without casting judgment on anyone else, and here you are being rude to me.

Better get used to it (Sigh)... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif



It happnes a lot. I think that they were kind of joking though.

the_assassin_07
07-26-2007, 03:23 AM
Sorry is this your board or something? If creating an account to make a single post isn't allowed then you can remove me if you want.

This game is coming to the entire world, not just the select few of this board, i voiced my opinion without casting judgment on anyone else, and here you are being rude to me.

I think that they were kind of joking though.

I was only joking man sheesh take a chill pill. Oh yeah welcome to the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Altair_92
07-26-2007, 03:42 AM
See. I told ya that assassin was joking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

the_assassin_07
07-26-2007, 04:12 AM
lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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Altair_92
07-26-2007, 04:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Okay. He're a little update to my opinions on this part of the game. They should have a meter right. And you can adjust how bright that you want the glowing effect to be with the meter.

You can turn it down to no glow or all the way up to super bright. I think that that would be perfect for everyone. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif What do you guys think?

ScytheOfGrim
07-26-2007, 04:28 AM
why not?

seeing as people thought that this game was gonna bee 200% perfect...let's give it to them to ruin-i mean, improve upon the game in their own living room.

i really dont see why not...only prob is that if they do it for that...then they would have o do it for every other thing that people wwhie about...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Wildeyedjokr
07-26-2007, 04:33 AM
In my own opinion i think its just fine, it's a change to the usual games...and I don't know about you guys but I like it, Also it helps with people if they fight in a really dark hallway, such as where in the Microsoft Press Confrence they fought the slave traders guards, that would come in handy in places where it gets dark, plus without it, you'd always die horribly since there may always be random attacks from your flank right after a successful block and you may not be able to react quick enough, also without it you wouldn't be able to tell who you can interact with/pickpocket/kill.

Altair_92
07-26-2007, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
why not?

seeing as people thought that this game was gonna bee 200% perfect...let's give it to them to ruin-i mean, improve upon the game in their own living room.

i really dont see why not...only prob is that if they do it for that...then they would have o do it for every other thing that people wwhie about...http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif



True true. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif (Minus the hand)

If I were a game developer and I got interviewed and there were a lot of fans complaining and making fun of me and/or the other developers and saying rude stuff, then at the end of the interview I'd say..


Oh yeah....and for those of you who complain about small things in the game's demo or talk about me on the forums.....F*CK YOU (Not that I've ever said that and I probably never will, but if I got mad enough....)!!!!

ScytheOfGrim
07-26-2007, 05:11 AM
you've never "said" that...*puts lamp in face*...but you have "typed" it...do you admit to this crime??

then come with us, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say will be restated, then used against you in a supreme court of law.

i would probably say the same things...i'm designing the game so go eat some...carrots!!!

unnamedninja
07-27-2007, 06:58 AM
It's interesting that people who don't like aspects of a game are considered whiners. If there is open dialogue between gamers and developers, that allows a game to be made which will more or less suit everyone's tastes and sell lots of copies. I can tell you now that ubi is interested in selling a lot of copies of this one.

I think this silly defending of games is pretty immature, you're a not a bigger fan than the next guy just because you like a game %100 and cant see the flaws. And the word flaw isn't even correct, in this situation it's entirely subjective, but in calling people whiners you're saying their opinion doesn't count, just because you dont agree with it.

A great man once said: "i do not agree with your opinion but i will defend to the death your right to voice it" or something like that.

Altair_92
07-27-2007, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
you've never "said" that...*puts lamp in face*...but you have "typed" it...do you admit to this crime??

then come with us, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say will be restated, then used against you in a supreme court of law.

i would probably say the same things...i'm designing the game so go eat some...carrots!!!


I didn't do it! I swear!


PS: I don't mind people voicing their opinions. It's just that some people go way overboard with things.

I also think that some people say inspiring things like that just to be remembered for saying it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

the_assassin_07
07-27-2007, 08:28 AM
you've never "said" that...*puts lamp in face*...but you have "typed" it...do you admit to this crime??

then come with us, you have the right to remain silent, anything you say will be restated, then used against you in a supreme court of law.
I was a witness!!! I can tell you everything!!*

*Terms and conditons apply. Quality of answers may vary depending on how much money the witness gets. <span class="ev_code_RED">This is an advance warning: witness may run off with money if ScytheofGrim fails to comply with the terms and conditions. You have been warned!</span>
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DNBProductions
07-30-2007, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by unnamedninja:
It's interesting that people who don't like aspects of a game are considered whiners. If there is open dialogue between gamers and developers, that allows a game to be made which will more or less suit everyone's tastes and sell lots of copies. I can tell you now that ubi is interested in selling a lot of copies of this one.

I think this silly defending of games is pretty immature, you're a not a bigger fan than the next guy just because you like a game %100 and cant see the flaws. And the word flaw isn't even correct, in this situation it's entirely subjective, but in calling people whiners you're saying their opinion doesn't count, just because you dont agree with it.

A great man once said: "i do not agree with your opinion but i will defend to the death your right to voice it" or something like that.

Agreed!

It seems like people think, if they don't say anything negative about the title that they are the biggest fans.

the_assassin_07
07-30-2007, 11:41 AM
Agreed!

It seems like people think, if they don't say anything negative about the title that they are the biggest fans.
No we don't if we like it we like it you can't read our minds. Scythe, take him to the DEN DEN DEN middleworld!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

ScytheOfGrim
07-30-2007, 11:46 AM
hmm...we never said that those that dont like a part of a game are whiners...we meant that those that go and swear though their posts are whiners...

open dialogue is nice...when it's nice...

it'll suit your tastes, not everyone's...

we can see the flaws, we're just happy to see that some of these "flaws" are actually pushing the game forward in certain directions...it's nice to keep an open-mind...isnt it?

how can something "wrong" be "subjective"...that's a paradox...

we never said their opinion doesnt count! we said that it would be considered more had it been portrayed in a nice, calm and sensible manner, as some have already done. and by saying THAT you lean towards the fact that OUR opinions dont count...hypocrite...

i said "your opinion is yours to keep, byut no matter how head-strong you believe in it, i shall not change mine."

we dont care about being fans, we want to put our opinions into the mix as well. we have voices to be used, not to be discarded if one doesnt agree with it.

DNB is a joke...look at when he signed up...

to the Underworld!!

and in the Queens immortal words (from Alice In Wonderland) "Off with his head!!!"