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Dimensionaut_
12-29-2005, 12:45 PM
These ponies have something in common, beside the blue noses and thus unit they come from...
Who knows?...

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0000.jpg

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Written with chalk by the crew, often to be removed by the pilot after the flight:
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0016.jpg

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0017.jpg

FoolTrottel
12-29-2005, 02:08 PM
In the first two pics ...
they came from the South...

civildog
12-29-2005, 02:26 PM
352nd Fighter Group based out of Debden, England.

Dimensionaut_
12-29-2005, 02:34 PM
352nd is OK, but this particular set of aircraft did not fly from Debden.

You see nine out of 12 aircraft (3 others I'm making now) They flew a mission together around this time of year.

tomtheyak
12-29-2005, 02:58 PM
Easy;

THE LEGEND OF Y-29

The attack on Asch airfield on New Years Day 1945 as part of operation Bodenplatte was effectively blocked thanks to the foresight of 487th Squadron commander Lt. Col John Meyer, who suspecting that the Germans might pull this very tactic, ordered his squadron to readiness early that morning.

Legend has it that some of the members of the 487th were pulling their triggers before their gear doors were shut! This might be a little embellished however!

The unit became the only USAAF Squadron to be awarded the Distinguished Unit Citation (an award hitherto only awarded to Groups [3 x Squadrons]) for its action that day.

Yeah, i'm a 352nd buff. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SlickStick
12-29-2005, 03:20 PM
Nice Blue-Nosed Bast*rds of Bodney skins!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Sergio_101
12-29-2005, 04:02 PM
I read the official combat reports from that
day over Y-29.
Several pilots described firing as the gear retracted.
It still may be exaggeration, but it is in the
USAAC/USAF record.

No P-51s were lost at Y-29, 24 confirmed (wrecks found)
kills.

As the official record stated, the P-51s were not
scrambled or were they flying on a hunch.
They were on a fighter sweep mission that
was scheduled through channels.
The planes had maximum internal fuel and a full
load of ammunition, but no bombs or external fuel.

By the way, at least one P-51 was shot up but
not badly. An oil line was hit.

Sergio

tomtheyak
12-29-2005, 04:38 PM
Hi sergio;

The official 352nd FG history (which I have - its a great read!) says that Meyer was the driving force behind the early morning patrol.

The night before he told his pilots to stay sober and get a good night sleep as he pestered 9th Air Force planners to give him permission to man the patrol as he suspected that the Germans might take advantage of the aftermath of New Year festivities to strike at the allies. The permission was duly granted early in the morning.

IIRC it was Capt. Bill whisner who took damage in 'Moonbeam McSwine'.

Sergio_101
12-29-2005, 05:12 PM
"says that Meyer was the driving force behind the early morning patrol."

Could be, the USAF transscripts are "dry white toast".
They give no hint to who may have initiated the
mission, just where and when the order came down.

I would have thought they would not have taken off
with full fuel load if they thought there was
to be an intercept mission only.
Also adding a bit of doubt there were at least
two P-47 units involved and some became tangled
up in the dogfight.

Sorry, my memory is not so good as to remember
all the units involved.

Sergio

Frequent_Flyer
12-29-2005, 08:08 PM
Eight 47's were from 366th FG's 390th FS.They were loaded with bombs and some had M-10 triple-tube rocket launchers.Lt. Mel Paisley of the 390 FS, shot a Bf-109 out of the sky with rockets and two Fw-190's with machine gun fire. Five of the other P-47's scored single victories during 1-1-45 melee at Asch. If you ask me the M-10 was over modeled.

Dimensionaut_
12-30-2005, 12:25 AM
That's them allright.

Who is interested in the eye witness stories and records: Look at findarticles.com for the Air Classics (september 2002 to November 2002 iirc)
But there are more nice articles. If you search for Y-29 (the airfield) in the Garden and Home section, then articles from several magazines pop up.

Dimensionaut_
12-30-2005, 12:42 PM
And Two more:

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http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0019.jpg

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0020.jpg

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0021.jpg

Sergio_101
12-30-2005, 06:35 PM
the 4.5 in rockets could be fitted with
photo or RADAR proximity fuses.
And they often were.

Although un guided they were deadly.

I believe 70 yards was the maximum radius for RADAR detonation.

(Germany NEVER developed RADAR proximity fuses)
(so much for Totonic technical superiority)

Sergio

Dimensionaut_
12-31-2005, 09:07 AM
http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0022.jpg

http://www.simmerspaintshop.com/SERVAL/352/grab0023.jpg

That makes 12 I guess http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

All of them soon in action on a PC near to you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Frequent_Flyer
12-31-2005, 06:16 PM
Great Skins Java.