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cawimmer430
07-14-2008, 09:38 AM
Scanned this from the back of a flight magazine. I thought it was a cool picture. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

What do both of these machines have in common? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/88/fw190pw3.jpg

By the way, anyone know a good link to World War II aviation oil paintings?

Bewolf
07-14-2008, 09:59 AM
HA!

that reminded me of something. Googled and found it:

http://www.track48.com/products-main-t48/HSG09755.jpg

cawimmer430
07-14-2008, 10:01 AM
Originally posted by Bewolf:
HA!

that reminded me of something. Googled and found it:

http://www.track48.com/products-main-t48/HSG09755.jpg

The same picture! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Except much much cooler! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Is that thing available in high res?

Jure_502
07-14-2008, 10:49 AM
Seems like a legendary pic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://shrani.si/f/I/Pr/4HXGS8HY/bmw.jpg

foxyboy1964
07-14-2008, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
The same picture! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Except much much cooler! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Is that thing available in high res?

It's a model kit. Here's a link. I can't say for sure, but I wouldn't think you'd find a high quality version of the box art photo.

http://www.modelsforsale.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=334986

Bewolf
07-14-2008, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Jure_502:
Seems like a legendary pic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://shrani.si/f/I/Pr/4HXGS8HY/bmw.jpg

Dammit! I am feeling like a fool now!

Great find there, Jure. Now let's someone say LW pilots didn't have style.

Schwarz.13
07-14-2008, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Jure_502:
Seems like a legendary pic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://shrani.si/f/I/Pr/4HXGS8HY/bmw.jpg

I think you'll find that pic has been doctored - there was no Galland in the original photo! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2565/joseph20priller20germanpi8.jpg


Originally posted by cawimmer430:
By the way, anyone know a good link to World War II aviation oil paintings?

Try here Christian :

Cranston Fine Arts (http://www.directart.co.uk/mall/default.php)

Vector Fine Art (http://www.vectorfineart.co.uk/)

Aviation Art International (http://www.sporting-memories.com/aai/)

Nicolas Trudgian (http://www.nicolastrudgianprints.com/)

CUJO_1970
07-14-2008, 01:30 PM
One of the coolest WWII pictures ever, Pips Priller of JG26 and his BMWs.

WTE_Galway
07-14-2008, 07:02 PM
slightly off topic

But i have always found it interesting that almost all the photos about of the fw190 are taken on the ground. The percentage of fw190 photo's "in flight" are rare compared to other aircraft from the period.

GBrutus
07-14-2008, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
slightly off topic

But i have always found it interesting that almost all the photos about of the fw190 are taken on the ground. The percentage of fw190 photo's "in flight" are rare compared to other aircraft from the period.

Perhaps because there were far fewer Fw190's compared with other fighter types of that era. Less photo opportunities at a guess.

LEXX_Luthor
07-14-2008, 10:39 PM
Fw pilots had severe difficulty taking photos of anything outside the cockpit, especially over The Bar.


Awsim pic Shwarz!

stathem
07-15-2008, 02:07 AM
As seen in Ibis' thread last week there's a restored BMW801 engine at Duxford. The info plate accompanying it says

'restored with the help of BMW(GB)Ltd'

Help being financial, I think it said. They (BMW) are obviously fully aware of their heritage.

Kettenhunde
07-15-2008, 03:19 AM
They (BMW) are obviously fully aware of their heritage.


And they want to put as much distance between them and that part of their past as possible.

That is the official company position today.

All the best,

Crumpp

Blutarski2004
07-15-2008, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> They (BMW) are obviously fully aware of their heritage.


And they want to put as much distance between them and that part of their past as possible.

That is the official company position today.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Then they have some really out-of-touch and unimaginative marketing people. The foundation stone of BMW was aviation engine technology. IMO enough time has passed for most (98%) people to be able to distinguish between regime and artifact.

They should take on one the new repro FW-190 airframes, mount a hotted-up BMW801 and take it on a world pylon-racing tour. It's about time those Allied a/c had some interesting competition.

Schwarz.13
07-15-2008, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Blutarski2004:
..... Then they have some really out-of-touch and unimaginative marketing people. The foundation stone of BMW was aviation engine technology. IMO enough time has passed for most (98%) people to be able to distinguish between regime and artifact.

They should take on one the new repro FW-190 airframes, mount a hotted-up BMW801 and take it on a world pylon-racing tour. It's about time those Allied a/c had some interesting competition.

+1

cawimmer430
07-15-2008, 07:56 AM
Cool black and white picture of FW-190 A5 "13"! And thanks for the links, guys. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Schwarz.13
07-15-2008, 08:46 AM
If you click on the 'Schlageter' cuffband in my sig, you can see another of my favourite photos:

yet another 'Schwarze 13' of Priller's, this time an A-8 being hidden under cover by Second Gruppe personnel during a visit to their base at Guyancourt, June 1944. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kettenhunde
07-15-2008, 09:59 AM
They should take on one the new repro FW-190 airframes, mount a hotted-up BMW801 and take it on a world pylon-racing tour. It's about time those Allied a/c had some interesting competition.


We had that proposal go all the way to the top company leadership in BMW. We have the jigs, engines, and builder experience.

To say they "ran away" would be an understatement.

In no uncertain terms they have let it be known that they will absolutely nothing to do with the restoration of any WWII era BMW artifacts or any connection to that part of their past.

They don't seem to understand that people are not going to forget. Placing your head in the sand and ignoring the facts simply means someone else will step in and tell your story. You might not like the truth as they see it either.

We are very cognizant of the fact many of our artifacts very well might have been the last things their creator ever touched.

All the best,

Crumpp

Blutarski2004
07-15-2008, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> They should take on one the new repro FW-190 airframes, mount a hotted-up BMW801 and take it on a world pylon-racing tour. It's about time those Allied a/c had some interesting competition.


We had that proposal go all the way to the top company leadership in BMW. We have the jigs, engines, and builder experience.

To say they "ran away" would be an understatement.

In no uncertain terms they have let it be known that they will absolutely nothing to do with the restoration of any WWII era BMW artifacts or any connection to that part of their past.

They don't seem to understand that people are not going to forget. Placing your head in the sand and ignoring the facts simply means someone else will step in and tell your story. You might not like the truth as they see it either.

We are very cognizant of the fact many of our artifacts very well might have been the last things their creator ever touched.

All the best,

Crumpp </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


..... Too bad, K. Perhaps someone should put them in touch with Mitsubishi, who have sponsored and supported Zero restorations for a number of years now - with no public image repercussions that I've ever heard about

Schwarz.13
07-15-2008, 12:06 PM
@Kettenhunde/Crumpp - does the 'White 1' BMW 801 actually work or is it still being restored???

Sorry but i've never been able to ascertain this from the website - i would love to become a paid-up member of the Foundation but i can't afford it at the moment http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

stathem
07-15-2008, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
We had that proposal go all the way to the top company leadership in BMW. We have the jigs, engines, and builder experience.

To say they "ran away" would be an understatement.

In no uncertain terms they have let it be known that they will absolutely nothing to do with the restoration of any WWII era BMW artifacts or any connection to that part of their past.

They don't seem to understand that people are not going to forget. Placing your head in the sand and ignoring the facts simply means someone else will step in and tell your story. You might not like the truth as they see it either.

We are very cognizant of the fact many of our artifacts very well might have been the last things their creator ever touched.

All the best,

Crumpp

I don't quite understand there Crumpp. That's entirely at odds with the story of the BMW801 at Duxford, as I related. Did your request go to BMW in the US or all the way up to the Gmbh?

Maybe BMW GB have a more healthy view of things.

Kettenhunde
07-15-2008, 03:44 PM
@Kettenhunde/Crumpp - does the 'White 1' BMW 801 actually work or is it still being restored???


It is waiting on the FAA. We had to prove that we have and used the most up to date information on the engine.

In other words we have to show we have complied with all the RLM's versions of Technical Orders and Airworthiness Directives.


That's entirely at odds with the story of the BMW801 at Duxford, as I related.

I don't know what to tell you. I am not inside BMW's inner workings to know the "why's" but only know the result.

You guys could certainly write them and ask! We won't complain.

I am thinking that perhaps because Duxford only has an engine and not an aircraft flown in combat with a documented history of killing in the name of the Third Reich.

Although the guns are long silent and regime dismantled, some folks see that as offensive.

To me, it is not quite such an academic exercise when one stands next to the real thing. The history becomes very real and one begins to ponder just how thin the thread is that upholds a free society. The sacrifices made to keep that freedom are brought into much sharper focus.

All the best,

Crumpp

Schwarz.13
07-15-2008, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> @Kettenhunde/Crumpp - does the 'White 1' BMW 801 actually work or is it still being restored???


It is waiting on the FAA. We had to prove that we have and used the most up to date information on the engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do you mean you are waiting on the FAA to approve it's airworthiness for flight?!

Unless you mean that you need the FAA's approval before you can even start it up on the ground (i don't know anything about FAA regulations i'm afraid)?

I would absolutely love to hear (or see) a good quality recording of a genuine BMW 801 being started and 'run-up'!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Kettenhunde
07-15-2008, 04:49 PM
Do you mean you are waiting on the FAA to approve it's airworthiness for flight?!


Everything is there and waiting to be put together once the FAA approves it.

Schwarz.13
07-15-2008, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Kettenhunde:
Everything is there and waiting to be put together once the FAA approves it.

Ahh, i see. Any idea how long the FAA usually takes over these things?

Best of luck - I'll have my fingers crossed (and be checking the White 1 site more often)! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

luftluuver
07-15-2008, 08:47 PM
M-B doesn't seem to have much trouble with the Me 109.

Kettenhunde
07-15-2008, 09:33 PM
I don't think you are really privy to what goes on at M-B.

Just a guess though.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

luftluuver
07-15-2008, 10:11 PM
Quit the trolling only warning you'll get in this thread.Chk pms please.

cawimmer430
07-17-2008, 10:19 AM
Once again thanks for the great links! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

MM-Zorin
07-19-2008, 11:46 PM
http://www.assonetart.com/3toughday.jpg

WTE_Ibis
07-20-2008, 01:51 AM
They may be more receptive to helping in a British or American restoration with the intent to race.


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