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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:44 AM
Was it ever involved in any aircombat in ww2, eastern front?
I havent found any info that it was used only that it wasnt
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:44 AM
Was it ever involved in any aircombat in ww2, eastern front?
I havent found any info that it was used only that it wasnt
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:52 AM
P~80s sent Lend Lease to Soviet Union late 1944.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:54 AM
how amny 1 ;P

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 08:55 AM
Because we're getting a Go-229 too. T hey didnt serve on all too many fronts either FYI.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:07 AM
I think its rather interesting to have planes that could have seen a heck of a lot of action if the war had continued a few more months. Its also interesting to try out those first jets which heavily influenced what happened in Korea.
Just my opinion

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:16 AM
i'm not interested in those planes,but !

1/the more the merrier (if quality is there)

2/the modeller does it on HIS spare time and shares it with people,you should thank him....

3/if the modeler is happy with the implementation of his hobbycrafts,we may see ,later, planes you're interested in from him /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:21 AM
Like the P-38 for instance (in the works too by Gibbage, maker of the "trouble-maker-purist-shaker" P-80.

He has also modelled teh AI PBN catalina, and may work on some other projects. He is dedicted member of the 3D comunity, and if you like 3rd party planes you should thank him too.

If you are still perplexed by its inclusion, I advice you to give it a try when (and if) it makes it in the game and if you dislike it, forget completely about it. Many servers restrict the Me-262 and may also do the same with this u other planes.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:38 AM
Put it in and call it the what if campaign with Go229's,P80 and whatever else you like/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:25 AM
I only hope that Go229 and P80 gonna be strictly 45 fighters so I won't encounter them in my Me262 in 44 servers...

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:30 AM
plane like p80,do-335,Go229 have never see combat in ww2,
that are not ww2 plane

came probable with addons for plane after ww2

FireBird77 wrote:
- I only hope that Go229 and P80 gonna be strictly 45
- fighters so I won't encounter them in my Me262 in 44
- servers...
-


Message Edited on 06/27/0303:52PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:14 PM
Whats a matter? Scared of loosing your superiority?

Gib

FireBird77 wrote:
- I only hope that Go229 and P80 gonna be strictly 45
- fighters so I won't encounter them in my Me262 in 44
- servers...
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:16 PM
Its pretty simple and is with connection the attitude of some players. They needed something to counter the performance of Me 262, so they throw in the P-80As, and hope that they can "restore the historical superior plane quality" of a certain country. So they model this plane, and hope that they will have the edge with it. And if it fails, they`ll model the F-22 to "restore" the historical balance. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


As far as I am concerned, having spent some time researching the qualities of both planes, I am not concerned about it, we will have a capable jet vs. another capable, "what-if" jet fighter (to be exact, 3 of the latter"), with a close overall performance, and they will be banned from DF servers for most of the time; the online wars certainly won`t see any other plane than the 262 and perhaps the 163 (otherwise they would loose their historical aspect).

As for the plane, it`s presence won`t be any more disturbing than the 262s right now... and DFS hosts will probably ban/enable them on the same scale.

And of course if you don`t want it, don`t fly it. Still, I am somewhat concerned about these non-historical "fantasy" planes taking the work effort from correcting FM and DM bugs.

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Tully__
06-27-2003, 12:42 PM
When it's included, it will be because someone was willing to put in the time on the 3D model and the developers have some time to spare on the flight/damage model for it. If there were lots of people modelling aircraft that were in the theatre, the developers wouldn't have time to add these more marginal aircraft. Care to put up some competition /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RichardI
06-27-2003, 12:53 PM
Isegrim you're so transparent, even I can see through you.

It must really grate on you that without the technical and manufacturing might of the U.S.A. the war would have lasted well into the '60's.

Give it up, you're hurting yourself.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:59 PM
You must have some really great eyesight, Richard. Does your transparent eyesight works also for women? If so I envy you for it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:21 PM
We currently have a Situation where the guys who fly on the Russian Side Online will not fly in a server hosting the Me 262, in a lot of instances.

However when the P80 enters the game the lack of attendance by Luftwaffe Pilots in games hosting the P80 will no doubt be just as obviouse.

Silly isnt it!
Ive created a Scenario where both sides can fly the P80 in Korea.
Mainly because they had jets on both sides then.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 01:36 PM
I find this topic amusing because it's completely and totally irrelevant.

Did the P-80 fly during WWII in the ETO? Yup. You want to get into numbers? We can exclude a lot of planes already in the game if we do that. It's not a '46 fighter. It's a '45 fighter. So, stop yer yapping.

'nuff said.

Let's put this another way: You don't like the P-80...don't fly it. Don't hang out with those that do. Oh, and one other thing, DO NOT call yourself a lover of aviation.

This has been a public service announcement.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:17 PM
Gibbage i just hope oleg dont will take you seriouse.
and he will not willing to follow your cold war edition of FB.

IL2/FB is still a WWII eastern front simulator not a what if cold war simulator.

so letz just come the P51D Spitfire XIV or even the P38J.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:18 PM
Machine that model which Gib is currently in the works with is clearly P-80B, which delivery begun in March 1947 to March 1948. So that modelled a/c surely didn't see ETO before war ended./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:20 PM
Why NOT have the P-80?....

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:25 PM
Why have the P80?

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:29 PM
pipgig wrote:
- Gibbage i just hope oleg dont will take you
- seriouse.
- and he will not willing to follow your cold war
- edition of FB.

Well, Oleg takes Gib more serious then you, that's for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:29 PM
`seits ihr depad oder k¶nnt ihr nicht vernünftig argumentieren.

wie zum beispiel vorhin, magst du die P80 nicht, dann fliegt ihn nicht
was soll das bitte. sind wir in den staaten oder was

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:31 PM
and with that the flame thrower was launched...........from a technical thread to a flame thread...........pfct./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:34 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- pipgig wrote:
-- Gibbage i just hope oleg dont will take you
-- seriouse.
-- and he will not willing to follow your cold war
-- edition of FB.
-
- Well, Oleg takes Gib more serious then you, that's
- for sure.
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and?

what are u talking about

sorry u americans cant argument.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 02:41 PM
pipgig wrote:
- and?
-
- what are u talking about
-
- sorry u americans cant argument.

1st, I am not an American.

2nd, you are not making any argument either, only showing you don't like the fact that the "other side" get's a Jet fighter too.

3rd, How much action did the Ta-152 saw on the Eastern front?
I bet it wasn't that much but I don't mind it's going to be included.

4th, there are going to be many more exotic planes in FB and most are German if you look at the IL2 Center 1946 project.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:01 PM
ta-152h has combat eastfront,
some kill from ta-152h over berlin was yak9

eastfron was 45 not in russia

Message Edited on 06/27/0305:15PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:03 PM
be happy, that people like luthier , jippo , gibbage or any other guys built new planes .
it is said 1000 times. if you dont like to fly those planes, then don´t fly them. basta.
IMHO i see no problems.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:06 PM
"some kill from ta-152h over berlin was yak9"

I didn't say no action at all, I said not much.

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Message Edited on 06/27/0303:07PM by Cappadocian_317

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:09 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- pipgig wrote:
-- and?
--
-- what are u talking about
--
-- sorry u americans cant argument.
-
- 1st, I am not an American.
-
ok i have to belive taht

- 2nd, you are not making any argument either, only
- showing you don't like the fact that the "other
- side" get's a Jet fighter too.

no i had an argument and a point its a wwii sim.

-
- 3rd, How much action did the Ta-152 saw on the
- Eastern front?
- I bet it wasn't that much but I don't mind it's
- going to be included.

152H enuff may not on the eastern front but thats not the point here we have a lot of planes coming that were not on the eastern front too but at least they was involved in more or less forgoten battles in the west front at least during wwii.

- 4th, there are going to be many more exotic planes
- in FB and most are German if you look at the IL2
- Center 1946 project.

well the Me163 saw action some also got shoot down.

i tryed to find the Il2 Center 1946 project but couldnt find it may u can give me the link.
but i m against to put into FB after wwii planes.
To say i m also against the Ta152C.

i m maybe for an stay alone adon pack if realy so many like after wwii what if scenarios with more or less ufo FM by some planes.
but to mix this birds toghter with wwii planes so put em just into the current game (FB) that would be wrong.
i gonna fly CFS3 then /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:10 PM
if you dont like to fly those planes, then don´t fly them

sorry but this is stupid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:13 PM
pipgig wrote:
- if you dont like to fly those planes, then don´t fly
- them
-
- sorry but this is stupid

Yes it is stupid because I don't whine about those planes being added.

I don't mind them being added, unlike you.

How hard is it to read pipgig?

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:16 PM
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:53 PM
Because Gibbage says so!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:59 PM
i dont understand now why i do whine.
may i m not sure what u understand under whining
i actualy dont care much.
but if i were a kid now i also could say now taht you whine to get the after wwii planes in a WWII SIMULATOR.
but thats ok letz modell the F16 too (isnt it a after wwii plane) then put it into FB and hey if u dont like it dont fly it hehehe.
I also thought FB should simulate the airwar.
not simulate a test pilot that trying out the 46+ planes FM
or want u realy let this birds fight against each other in a what if scenarion ?
well then i would say bye bye FB wwii simulator and welcome Crimos Crisis or whats the name of this stupid GAME FOR KIDS.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:00 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- Machine that model which Gib is currently in the
- works with is clearly P-80B, which delivery begun in
- March 1947 to March 1948. So that modelled a/c
- surely didn't see ETO before war ended.

Oh, well then let me rephrase, and sum up, my feelings on this subject:

SHUT YER YAP HOLES! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Besides, all yer yapping and ye'all still haven't figured out that He162 and P-80 dogfights are gonna be fun regardless.

I still think the Me262 was more of a bomber destroyer and less of a true fighter anyway.





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:44 PM
its all about hurted national pride and an ego full of envy...





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:48 PM
NuFoerki wrote:
- its all about hurted national pride and an ego full
- of envy...
-


Yes that sounds like a good excuse for the Germans who don't want the P-80./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:51 PM
im still hoping that one day you´ll understand... btw that was not a very strong reply...

i can do better, you know /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:52 PM
Its pretty simple and is with connection the attitude of some players. They needed something to counter the performance of Me 262, so they throw in the P-80As, and hope that they can "restore the historical superior plane quality" of a certain country. So they model this plane, and hope that they will have the edge with it. And if it fails, they`ll model the F-22 to "restore" the historical balance. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Thank you Isegrim for this great reply, i cat wait longer for the F 22 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 05:28 PM
Think about it this way: It was designed in WWII wartime, so it's a WWII warplane /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Besides, no plane would be able to stop the Go-229, and it would be a shame to find lots of "Gothawhiners"
The Luft '46 project will have own campaigns and servers,as well as own add-on (IMO /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )

ZG77_Nagual
06-27-2003, 05:32 PM
Guys - this is just for fun - hypothetical '46 scenarios - FUN not national pride or any of this other crap. The p80 was a transitional design that never really had it's day - like the f8f bearcat, p51h and others.

Gibbage has taken the time to model it - that and the spirit of FUN is why it'll find it's way into the game.

Personally I'd rather see the mkxiv spit get finished - and the plane in my sig - but these are not things to complain about - I don't understand the point of complaining - really.

Some might say they want the developers to spend more time on planes that are relevant to the EF - a sort of valid point I suppose - but it's really up to them. We've got control over what we fly and what we allow on our servers.

I just don't get it I guess - I really don't see a problem


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:32 PM
MachineII wrote:

- Oh, well then let me rephrase, and sum up, my
- feelings on this subject:
-
- SHUT YER YAP HOLES!

MachineII I'm little surprized about that answer you gave. I only stated about Gibbage's P-80 and which model that seems to be - nothing else. ONLY TECHNICAL THINGS.

Your argumentation is rather poor because I never did any statement about P-80 vs.Me 262 dogfights and it's endings./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Seems at the end of your list of arguments you seems overworked or stressed or whatelse - take the WE for a break, tweety./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 07:40 PM
As a LW enthusiast, I am still looking forward to P-80. Just as I would look forward to a Fokker Dr.I, or an F-5 Tiger, for that matter /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

Being able to fly these historical planes on your PC is just great. Why limit yourself ?

Yes, I am well aware some are looking forward to having a 1947 plane for dispatching 1944 262s. OK, it could even fall into certain what-if scenario, but I am convinced that hosts will limit this behavior once it gets too common. Any historical ETO setup will be without P-80, as it never flew combat sorties or met enemy planes in the air. But for novelty reasons, it is good we have it.

Gibbage was fair and allowed a Go-229 before the P-80. So, I have no objections, because Go 229 would realistically enter production in 1946-47, if ever.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:30 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- MachineII I'm little surprized about that answer you
- gave. I only stated about Gibbage's P-80 and which
- model that seems to be - nothing else. ONLY
- TECHNICAL THINGS.
-
- Your argumentation is rather poor because I never
- did any statement about P-80 vs.Me 262 dogfights and
- it's endings.

And yer yap hole is still open. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:13 PM
Look. I am modeling the P-80A for many reasons. To bring order to online play. Currently most servers ban the Me-262 simply because its un-stoppable in the online enviornment were its short fuel supply is not a hinderance. In real life it was. Oleg wants it. HE put the call for "Aircraft that flew on or before 1946". I have good contact with him, and HE WANTS IT. Isent that alone enough? There are no suitable alternitives. The Luftwaffa will have the Me-262, Me-163, He-162, Go-229. Fighting that with just props is not going to happen. They will all be banned from most servers (but servers run by Luftlovers) unless the Allies can also get something compairable. The Meteor was NOT compairable. The P-80A is, and does not have a vast advantage over any. It will even things out quite well.. With all these jets and rockets, you can have an all jet server and NOT be forced to fly a German aircraft with SOVIET markings. The hole "captured 262" BS only goes so far. This also allows you to explore the "what if" and play till 1946. It opens up more playability to the game. Extends its shelf life. Adds more fun to servers. Makes for an interesting air face. There are so MANY reasons to have it in. Only 1 shakey reason not to. "Because it did not serv" does not cut it. Not with all the aircraft already in that "DID NOT SERV". So dont give me that BS. The people who dont want it mainly like to fly the Me-262 and dont want their superiority challanged. Thank of it this way. The P-80 may open up more servers to you that would have banned the Me-262 for balance. Like the Luftwhiners banned the BC Yak's "for balance" in the original IL2. Remember that?

Remember, at the heard of IL2 FB lies a GAME. A game is made to be fun. If you want historical correctness, dont fly it. Dont fly on servers with it. Dont even fly online at all!!!!! Because if you want historical correctness, go put a gun to your head when you get shot down and die. Remember, there was no "respawn" in WWII.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:42 PM
Why, you ask?

Because an expert modeller is willing to donate his time to developing one.

So, what are you going to put together for us?

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:46 PM
Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
-
- Its pretty simple and is with connection the
- attitude of some players. They needed something to
- counter the performance of Me 262, so they throw in
- the P-80As, and hope that they can "restore the
- historical superior plane quality" of a certain
- country. So they model this plane, and hope that
- they will have the edge with it. And if it fails,
- they`ll model the F-22 to "restore" the historical
- balance.

Asshat.

Wonder why the same guy is also modelling the Go-229?

Asshat.

So, what additional planes have YOU modelled for the community?

Yeah, thought so.

And might I add Asshat.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:56 PM
Lol. Dont lower yourself to personal attacks. But in all honesty, ISsy has added nothing to IL2, were I have. He is only trying to take away.

Again Issy, dont fly it if you dont want it. Hell, dont even install it! Dont play the 1945-1946 campains, and dont fly on servers with it enabled. Its really that simple. But DONT try to ruin an aircraft that 95% of the people, and Oleg want.

Gib

Cossack13 wrote:
-
- Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
--
-- Its pretty simple and is with connection the
-- attitude of some players. They needed something to
-- counter the performance of Me 262, so they throw in
-- the P-80As, and hope that they can "restore the
-- historical superior plane quality" of a certain
-- country. So they model this plane, and hope that
-- they will have the edge with it. And if it fails,
-- they`ll model the F-22 to "restore" the historical
-- balance.
-
- Asshat.
-
- Wonder why the same guy is also modelling the
- Go-229?
-
- Asshat.
-
- So, what additional planes have YOU modelled
- for the community?
-
- Yeah, thought so.
-
- And might I add Asshat.
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:08 PM
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Gibbage1 wrote:
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Remember, there was no "respawn" in WWII.


Liked that, bump Gibbage/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:08 PM
Calling some folks an Asshat is not a personal attack. Like saying that the sky is blue, it is merely an observation.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:16 PM
MachineII wrote:
-
- And yer yap hole is still open.

You aren't the one who says who should talk and who shouldn't./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

edit: BTW AMchineII, the P-80B isn't opponent to the Me262, that "couples" relates in time of its intoduce to action like Bf109D/E to the P-51D.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:47 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Lol. Dont lower yourself to personal attacks. But
- in all honesty, ISsy has added nothing to IL2, were
- I have. He is only trying to take away.


Quite the contrary, Gibby. What my part in contributing to Il-2 was all historical, like the Me210Ca1 infos to Oleg, the research on the Bofors 210 (guess who dug up the original report on it) correcting some mistakes in the OV, and being a betatester... what have YOU give to the community (other than your silly nationalistic posts)?

Some UFO planes that ruin the whole historical feeling of the game. Stupid planes like the P-80, just because the Yanks can`t stand that their jets missed WW2 completely, the Gotha, so that you can push your own little UFO into the game, and now you want that ridiculus flying wing bomber that didn`t even take off even once.


Hear me, sonny. I don`t want your f***in` ufos.


You are trying to make Il-2 some stupid arcade game, to fit your idea on what a simulator is... yeah, invulernability ON, Cocpit OFF, unlimated ammo ON... This isn`t what a sim is, that`s freaking X-Wing from Lucasarts.

I don`t like this trend of yours, when you try make IL2 a big pile of arcade POO with your fantasy models.

And it doesn`t change even if you claim that "95% of the people support me" because it`s NOT the case. Any hardcore simmer throws up when they see those ugly stupid UFOs you are creatin` and wantin` to force into the most realistic WW2 flightsim. We don`t want dozens of Gibbon`s f*cking UFOs flying around on servers. We don`t want that sh*t ruining the historical WW2 atmoshphere. You want it, not us.




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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 12:04 AM
Thanks Gibbage for putting up with all the negativity. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

People like you are what make the IL-2 great and I for one am looking forward to your models!

If people don't like them, they can host servers with whatever they want...

Although I'd love to use a P-80 to smoke a Gerrie, what I REALLY want is my MUSTANG!!!

For the love of God...when are we gonna get our P-51s! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 12:42 AM
hi all. i have to disagree with issagrim. he is a flamer and anti american. but i do understand his sentiment....super fast jets ripping around in the servers will definitely be a pain for props in dogfights....again i dont agree with him at all. i would rather first see mustang D, spitfire 9 and 14, P-47 M model, dora 11 and 13, some italian fighters , ta 152s of various models, and before those new jets i want to see jap planes and navy planes too for some pacific build dfs....corsair hellcat zero shiden kai. these all make more sense to model first.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 12:45 AM
p.s. good job with what your doing gibbage. just wish to see some more props before the death from above planes arrive....um tho....i would like to see an arado jet blitz bomber hehe

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 12:46 AM
I personally support and appreciate Gibbages work for the communiity. As has often been stated in this thread any plane in the game is flown by choice.

If it really hurts you sooooo much playing online to have a jet anywhere on scene then host your own server and ban the plane(s) you dislike. It is so bloody simple.

Many seem to forget that addon aircraft by third party developers is unpaid work, they have a right to choose what aircraft they want to build, they do not have to come to the forums and ask people what they want to see.

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:06 AM
Some of the best a2a combat I was involved in was 262 vs Allied a/c in EAW. These involved team tactics and could last from 30-45min each combat.

Keep modelling what you want Gib, someone is just worried his uber German a/c won't be so uber./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:40 AM
thats exactly the problem milo. it can take up to 45 minutes to down one jet....a real pain if there are five different jets and rockets in the air for a prop plane battle. i personally would love to eventually see these planes. in a separate add on with separate servers .

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 01:43 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- thats exactly the problem milo. it can take up to 45
- minutes to down one jet....a real pain if there are
- five different jets and rockets in the air for a
- prop plane battle. i personally would love to
- eventually see these planes. in a separate add on
- with separate servers .
-
-

Ah, you are the one of those instant gratification required types.




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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 02:03 AM
One thing that has not occured to a lot of People is the Versatility of this Combat Flight Simulation.
Even its name is Versatile.

Forgotton Battles!

People arguing about all these Aircraft not in the Eastern front being included in the Game.

Has it occured to anybody that Oleg and 1C can turn around at the drop of a hat if they wanted too, and surprise us all by creating an add on that includes maps of.
Korea,
South Pacific.
English Channel Area.

Think about it, where will you fight your Forgotton Battle !

I do not know weather this is just somthing that has occured by accident or weather, Oleg mayby did plan to expand this simulation to appeal to the widest global audience.

Maddox 1C certainly does have the best WW 2 Combat Flight Sim at the moment thats for sure, and as each month goes by it is looking more and more versatile, that is for sure.

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 02:45 AM
This topic is rather a moot point anyways. The P-80 will be in FB.... Be sure.

Gib

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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 03:09 AM
Gib, you think He162 could win the P80?

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 03:45 AM
Big Factor me getting involved in Il-2 was Historical accuracy as far as can be done in Simulator.
Personally I liked the days when Oleg had the gusto to hold this position.

Also Forgotten battles means if I really have to even say this are battles that took place but are now not really remembered not battles that never took place.

No Doubt IL-2 Forgotten Gibbage will be made by Ic.


Dakota C

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:08 AM
Exactly the point I was trying to make Dakota C.
The Zero is being created for FB, and one of the arguments in favour of it entering FB is that the P-40 and the Zero met in combat Historicaly.

The only problem is there are no historical Maps currently in FB where those air Battles took place.

Yet that may not always be the case, as I mentioned before what is going to stop Oleg and 1C turning around and surprising us with an Add on that contains some Maps?

Example,
I am currently creating a series of Historical Online Coop Missions, for the P40 Versus the Zero, for when the zero is released into FB.
These Historicaly accurate Battles took place in March through to April 1942, between the 75th Squadron RAAF (Royal Australian Air Force) based at Port Moresby, and the Elite Tanian wing of Zero fighter pilots based at Lae and Saburo Sakai was a part of that Japanese Air Wing of Zeros fighting in these Battles.
These Battles took place over the Owen Stanly Ranges of Papua New Guinea in the South Pacific.
At the moment I am using the Kuban Map to simulate the Owen Stanley Ranges, and its acceptable.
So as you can see there are a lot of Historic Theatres of Air Combat to fight a forgotton Battle.

I would immediatly purchase any ADD On CD released by 1C that even had 1 South Pacific Map in it.
I feel sure many others would do the same if the same Add On contained a map of the English channel.

With all the Aircraft we are going to get for FB, we are only missing a few maps of the actual Historic Combat areas.




Message Edited on 06/28/0303:41AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:45 AM
Sorry but IL-2 Sturmovik was *never* a 'simulator'. It was and is a VIDEO GAME with a WWII Aviation theme. Think about this: how many times do you think an IL-2 pilot would bomb/strafe a front-line position where there were NO INFANTRY!?!? When was ROBOTIC AAA without human crew EVER used in WWII?? If you answered correctly: NEVER, then you should realize that this is a game, not a simulator.

Thank you Gibbage for working hard to make IL-2:FB an even better VIDEO GAME.



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:49 AM
HO MY F..IN GOD WITH THIS PPL

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:50 AM
JUST SHUT IT WHAT EVER THEY GIVE US, ARE WE GOING TO TAKE IT DAM IT? IF THEY GIVE US PLANES AND U DONT LIKE THEM HOST UR OWN ROOM AND DISABLE THOSE PLANES, AS SIMPLE AS THAT

"Never forget the past so we dont make the same mistakes in the future"

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:52 AM
Aztek_Eagle you 'cap lock' key stuck?



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:28 AM
THe addition of this aircraft does not take away any Historical accuracy at all. JUST DONT INSTALL IT! Its that simple. Dont install it, dont fly it, dont fight it. No harm on your Historical accuracy. Also, if you want historical accuracy, delete your game and break the CD. Becuase I guarantee you that you have died more then 1 time in your game. In History, there was no respawn button, so dont give me this historical BS.

Gib

DakotaC wrote:
- Big Factor me getting involved in Il-2 was
- Historical accuracy as far as can be done in
- Simulator.
- Personally I liked the days when Oleg had the gusto
- to hold this position.
-
- Also Forgotten battles means if I really have to
- even say this are battles that took place but are
- now not really remembered not battles that never
- took place.
-
- No Doubt IL-2 Forgotten Gibbage will be made by Ic.
-
-
- Dakota C
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:28 AM
Ouch not very nice to the man Gib!

Have been impressed with your 3D Modeling, I understand you are also involved with the P38, looks good so far and also fought in the South Pacific.
Any chance of a F4F Wild Cat appearing from the Gibbage Stable in the future ?

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:42 AM
Doubt I would do the F4F. Its not "Historicaly accurate" to FB... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gib

Artic_Wulf wrote:
- Ouch not very nice to the man Gib!
-
- Have been impressed with your 3D Modeling, I
- understand you are also involved with the P38, looks
- good so far and also fought in the South Pacific.
- Any chance of a F4F Wild Cat appearing from the
- Gibbage Stable in the future ?
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 08:50 AM
Well no harm in asking,
The main reason I asked is some one is Modeling the F6F Hell Cat, already , he he,

Ps sorry about the Edits got the Aircraft Model wrong


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Message Edited on 06/28/03 07:52AM by Artic_Wulf

Message Edited on 06/28/0307:56AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 09:48 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- hi all. i have to disagree with issagrim. he is a
- flamer and anti american.

let me see, what do you mean with this statement ?
few example , please.





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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 10:17 AM
Historicaly accurate? Man I bust a gut everytime someone mentions that the P80/229/the ta's are not historicaly accurate. Its hilarious, especially when someone says "I won't put a P80 on my late 44/early 45 server" funny stuff, on those "historicaly accurate" servers do you put 10 times as many allied fighters in the air, as people claim it was, or have only noobs fly for the axis as is claimed. Not wanting a plane added for historical accuracy is laughable.




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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 04:15 PM
Because this game is getting lame now. They're making us buy additional planes instead of putting it in a patch like before, and apparently want to go the BF1942 route and try and introduce a fantasy star wars theme.

"Diana Ross bit off my nipple!"

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 05:19 PM
Astaldo711 wrote:
- Because this game is getting lame now. They're
- making us buy additional planes instead of putting
- it in a patch like before,


They are? Can you please point out where it's been announced there will be a for-pay addition? Because I've never come across it, and would like to know more.


and apparently want to go
- the BF1942 route and try and introduce a fantasy
- star wars theme.

You do know the P-80 was a real plane?




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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 05:33 PM
DakotaC wrote:
- Big Factor me getting involved in Il-2 was
- Historical accuracy as far as can be done in
- Simulator.

Same here.

- Personally I liked the days when Oleg had the gusto
- to hold this position.

Ok.

- Also Forgotten battles means if I really have to
- even say this are battles that took place but are
- now not really remembered not battles that never
- took place.

GOOD POINT! Dont get me wrong, Loved SWOTL! And AOTP 1946.. but, I think IL2 has enough settings to disable all these planes if you dont want them used online.

- No Doubt IL-2 Forgotten Gibbage will be made by Ic.

LOL! Well, you know it is bad when the port it to playstation!



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XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 05:46 PM
In fact, they can do what they want with theses new aircrafts as long as the Mustang is in the free-addon!

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 06:58 PM
Hi guys

I do not get all the complaining. Free aircraft. I mean, if I was not clear....FREE AIRCRAFT.. Done by someone who has the time, talent, and desire. Is it just me? Am I missing something here?

Historical Accuracy? That is nonsense. What is so accurate about respawning? Tha same planes on both sides?
Being the only bomber on your side, and no escorting fighters around? How is using A HOTAS setup accurate? But I digress.......

I don't care if the Zero never flew in West Russia. I suspect that the VVS will not like the fact that the only plane that could out T n B a Zero was the Oscar.

I don't care if the Go229 or P-80 never saw combat. As far as I know, that Soviet rocket plane never saw combat. Yet it is in the game.

I like flight sims. I still play RBII, I still play EAW.
I bought IL2 because it covered what was a sadly neglected theatre. As an aside, you should see what has been done with EAW. So many theatres/planes, etc.

More planes, if done well, are a good thing. It will only enhance an already fine game. And may even increase sales...( Hey, I love that Zero/Go229, what game is that??
Well, you have to get IL2FB, then download them. Wow, I'm off to get one...)

The bottom line is this. Gibbage and others are adding to, not subtracting to the game. New planes, scripted servers. I just do not see a downside.

And no one is sticking a gun to your head. As has been said. Run your own server. Then you can play the way YOU want.

BTW, a Lancaster with the Grand Slam bomb would be nice. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Message Edited on 06/28/0306:02PM by Iris47

XyZspineZyX
06-28-2003, 11:53 PM
Iris47 wrote:
- Hi guys
-
- I do not get all the complaining. Free aircraft. I
- mean, if I was not clear....FREE AIRCRAFT.. Done by
- someone who has the time, talent, and desire. Is it
- just me? Am I missing something here?


I think there are three kinds of people here.

1) Doesn't care about accuracy, will happily fly a Camel against a Thud.

2) Cares a lot about accuracy, and wants to fly in historically correct servers.


3) Cares so much about "accuracy," he can't stand the thought that someone ELSE might be flying something out of its period, even if it's on another server, or maybe even offline. In other words, a nosy little ***** who moans about something that need not affect him at all.








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XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 12:37 AM
There are two things that bug me in these fantasy planes.

1) Iam sure there are lot of planes that actually flyed in WWII and arent yet modelled.

2) Modelling the plane is the easyest part of the thing (no offense meant) the biggest part of the job still lies on Maddox backs. If modellers could do FM no problemo, at the moment every plane added means less time for bug fixes.

XyZspineZyX
06-29-2003, 12:47 AM
keep this in GD

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:00 AM
Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
- ...just because the Yanks can`t stand that their jets
- missed WW2 completely...

Asshat.

- Hear me, sonny. I don`t want your f***in` ufos.

Courage? All I see is whining. And you're an Asshat.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:16 AM
Icarus999 wrote:
-
- I think there are three kinds of people here.
-
- 1) Doesn't care about accuracy, will happily fly a
- Camel against a Thud.


mainly but not always online df types cos the satisfaction in an online df comes from kills and for online play game balance matters most


- 2) Cares a lot about accuracy, and wants to fly in
- historically correct servers.

more likely to be but not always an offline player, the satisfaction offline comes from beating the odds in an accurate historical setting ans so offline historical accuracy and "realism" matter the most


- 3) Cares so much about "accuracy," he can't stand
- the thought that someone ELSE might be flying
- something out of its period, even if it's on another
- server, or maybe even offline. In other words, a
- nosy little ***** who moans about something that
- need not affect him at all.

hehe .. same sort of guy that can recite the names of everyone in Napoleons army and quote the chemical formulae for C4 explosives.

Ignore the third sort and be aware the first two are never going to agree completely because they are coming from different directions.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 12:12 PM
listen you little git!!!!

IF YOU DON'T WANT IT, DON'T FLY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's being made by Gibbage, who's a third party modeler. as they do pretty much whatever they want, don't complain!!! Maybe you should look at his other work, the PBY Catalina, the Go-229, the P-38!!! Etc...

Here's a hint. Take a backseat. Complaining will only put you in reverse. GOT IT?

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:32 PM
I'm amazed that this thread has lasted as long as it has.

Well, it should be obvious to most of us people that if you don't want to use one aspect of this, hmm, game/simulation/substitute for real life (delete as appropriate) or even commercial product (what? surely not!) then, well.... (here's the revelation)....(wait for it).... don't.

I don't understand why some people would get so worked up about something they have the choice to use or not use as they see fit.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:41 PM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Look. I am modeling the P-80A for many reasons. To
- bring order to online play. Currently most servers
- ban the Me-262 simply because its un-stoppable in
- the online enviornment were its short fuel supply is
- not a hinderance. In real life it was. Oleg wants
- it. HE put the call for "Aircraft that flew on or
- before 1946".

Mmmm that means Tempest II, Vampire (does the Miles
M.52 count - the project got canned, but it possibly
could have flown supersonic in 1946 had it not been,
almost certainly in 1947, and the rocket powered scaled
down radio control versions managed mach 1.5 in 1948).
Probably plenty more fun British stuff too.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:56 PM
Cossack,

If I am an asshat, then kiss me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And so could the rest of the pathetic 777 ASSHAT Sqaudron. What a bunch of weakling loosers you are, LOL. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Whine, whine, whine, thats all you know.


The whole 777 can kiss my ***, and should be feel honoured for the great opportunity given to them.





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Vezérünk a Bátorság, K*sérµnk a Szerencse!
(Courage leads, Luck escorts us! - Historical motto of the 101st Puma Fighter Regiment)

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:16 PM
Just a simple comparision...



VOW (Virtual Online War) results so far:

101st Puma Figther Regiment.
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8th most successful squad based on total points.

35 976 Points in total.
550 Aerial kills.
339 Ground kills.
165 KIA.
826 Missions flown.

44 Pts received in avarge mission.
0.67 Kills scored in avarge mission.
3.33 Kills per KIA.



7/JG77 (in a galaxy far, far away down low at Page 4).
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106th "most successful" squad based on total points. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

833 Points in total. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
31 Aerial kills.
37 Ground kills.
32 KIA.
93 Missions flown.

9 Pts received in avarge mission.
0.33 Kills scored in avarge mission.
0.97 Kills per KIA.



A BUNCH OF SORRY, SORRY L O O S E R S .



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Vezérünk a Bátorság, K*sérµnk a Szerencse!
(Courage leads, Luck escorts us! - Historical motto of the 101st Puma Fighter Regiment)

Flight tests and other aviation data: http://www.pbase.com/isegrim

777 Squadron: A bunch of cowards, asshats and loosers. 777, feel to honour you are given: you may come and kiss Isegrim`s arse.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:24 PM
Don't sweat it JG77, our illustrious hero here, VO101_Isegrim is:

22 out of 26 in VO101

Points descending > 36
Kills > 1
Grnd > 0
Streak > 1
KIA > 1
Mis > 5
Mis Strk > 0
Pts/Mis > 7
Kills/Mis > 0.2
Kills/KIA > 1

Not much of a contribution did he make./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:37 PM
Lol. Thanks Milo. Typical Issy post. LEaves out important bits of info like this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And here I thought the P-80 thread was dead!

Gib

MiloMorai wrote:
- Don't sweat it JG77, our illustrious hero here,
- VO101_Isegrim is:
-
- 22 out of 26 in VO101
-
- Points descending > 36
- Kills > 1
- Grnd > 0
- Streak > 1
- KIA > 1
- Mis > 5
- Mis Strk > 0
- Pts/Mis > 7
- Kills/Mis > 0.2
- Kills/KIA > 1
-
- Not much of a contribution did he make./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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- src="http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap18
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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 05:55 PM
I would prefer it if FB stuck with relevent planes, or atleast WW2 planes. But since Oleg doesn't give a flying f*ck about historical accuracy, I'll just ban gibbages creations (with the exception of the P-38) from all my missions and maps just like I do with the Yak 9K, Mig 3U, P11c and Bi-1. And for those who are going to bring up VOW stats as a method of judging someones worthiness to comment, my stats are 15 airkills, 72 ground kills, 1 MIA (while flying stuka) over the course of 15 missions.

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As we all know, the Soviet Union had too many fighter pilots during WW2. So Stalin's scientists came up with a brillient way to solve this problem. They would make some of their pilots fly British made Hurricanes. The Hurricane was an uber flying coffin. It was designed to maximize pilot kills by providing nothing but fabric and a few wooden spars around the cockpit. This setup prevented the pilot from escaping easily while at the same time not interfering with enemy bullets and shrapnel trying to pass through it. The rest of the Hurricanes structure was designed to ricochet bullets and shrapnel into the cockpit. And thanks to the cockpits superb design, all of them would pass through the cockpit and the pilot inside with little difficulty. Of course the Hurricane's designers didn't stop there. In order for the Hurricane to become a flying coffin, they had to make it easy to shoot. They did this by making the Hurricane the slowest monoplane fighter in use at the time and even gave it a very bulky shape so that it would be easy to spot and hit. The final feature of the Hurricane was its ability to bury or cremate itself. And because it was made of biodegradable materials, the Hurricane was environmentally friendly after it buried itself. Because of these brillient features, the Hurricane was a perfect flying coffin and helped the Soviets solve the pilot surplus they were suffering.
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Message Edited on 06/30/0303:50PM by Maj_Death

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:30 PM
Maj_Death wrote:

- ........going to bring up VOW stats as a method of judging someones worthiness to comment.........

How true Maj.Death.

The only Hyperlobby "bright light" appeareance that Gibbage made was kicking me from his server as I tried to join with the explain of my posting here @ that board and that I'm not worth to fly his server./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Yes, very poor behaviour, especially from people who like to finger pointing to others./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Message Edited on 06/30/0307:31PM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 08:18 PM
thats not nice /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 09:14 PM
guess I'll survive............./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Kimura

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:30 AM
I can understand why poeple complain about the planes they would like to see in FB, Like myself I whine cause I want the Corsair /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif But I cant seem to understand why people would complain about the planes that may be added.


It's quite simple if you don't like the planes being added in the future don't fly them. Or even better make a map and remove them. Thats what we do. Or fly in games that don't have them.


I can complain with the best of them but just be happy that Oleg and his team are trying to keep this legend of a game fresh and fun for new and old gamers.


S~

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:02 AM
Sorry Asshat, but I'm not a member of 777. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That's the AVG squad. (www.777avg.com)

Asshat!

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:07 AM
No problem, Milo.

Eruptive noises are what is expected of that Asshat.

The other VO101 pilots who I've had the pleasure to meet are top quality pilots and gentlemen. I'm not surprised that they've done well in VOW.

Izzy's just a disgrace.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 03:28 AM
Gibbage1 wrote:
- Whats a matter? Scared of loosing your superiority?
-
lol you tell em Gib! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
(now where's my Gibbage Fan Club Button at?)


Vo101_Isegrim,
you got a really big mouth jackazz and i would love to shove some .50calAmmo down it.

Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
-
- Its pretty simple and is with connection the
- attitude of some players. They needed something to
- counter the performance of Me 262, so they throw in
- the P-80As, and hope that they can "restore the
- historical superior plane quality" of a certain
- country. So they model this plane, and hope that
- they will have the edge with it. And if it fails,
- they`ll model the F-22 to "restore" the historical
- balance.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:04 AM
well gibs also amkin the flyin wing which from what ive read is faster than the me262 and p80 by quite a bit with much firepower, the p80 used in online dogfight will mosty be only useful against me262s because it lacks the firepower of the me262 which blows the props to bits in one pass.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:57 AM
Lol. I dont know what your talking about. #1, I never have hosted a server, and #2, I dont know how to kick someone if I did.

Remember, Issy came up the big idea of rating someone by TEAM score and not even individual score. Not me. He just happen to leave out the fact that his scores compaired were complete crap.

I dont rate people on VOW scores, but if someone DOES, they batter make sure their own scores are better when insulting someone based on those scores.

Gib

KIMURA wrote:
-
- How true Maj.Death.
-
- The only Hyperlobby "bright light" appeareance that
- Gibbage made was kicking me from his server as I
- tried to join with the explain of my posting here @
- that board and that I'm not worth to fly his
- server.
-
- Kimura
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-
- Message Edited on 06/30/03 07:31PM by KIMURA



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:49 AM
How about a comparison of the INDIVIDUALS?

7/JG77_Cossack's position: 605

VO101_Isegrim's position: 1019



7/JG77_Cossack's points: 371

VO101_Isegrim's points: 36



7/JG77_Cossack's kills: 3

VO101_Isegrim's kills: 1



7/JG77_Cossack's streak: 2

VO101_Isegrim's streak: 1



7/JG77_Cossack's KIA: 1

VO101_Isegrim's KIA: 1



7/JG77_Cossack's mission: 7

VO101_Isegrim's mission: 5



7/JG77_Cossack's points/mission: 53

VO101_Isegrim's points/mission: 7



7/JG77_Cossack's Kills/Mis: 0.43

VO101_Isegrim's Kills/Mis: 0.2



7/JG77_Cossack's Kills/Kia: 3

VO101_Isegrim's Kills/Kia: 1

Arsehat-grin, you're gonna have to climb to kiss my Isegrim!

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 06:58 AM
Whoah, these Il-2 forums are potent stuff! Enough of this could turn you into a seriously cynical misanthrope! The way people whine and grone and squeal over something so fundamentally GOOD!

Holy Crap, Issy, what did you eat? If Gibbs is such an "American nationalist", why the flippin' hell did he model the Gotha? And the whole F-22 argument is f$#%$ s$#%$. They're such different planes, about sixty years apart. Save hyperbole for when you really need it. And resorting to insulting someone else's online performance just to fuel the argument? Completely irrelevant to any discussion about add-ons!

I've spent so much time explaining this to people: Computer games are meant to be FUN! In a flight sim, this is generally derived from flying unique and original craft that are well-modeled, dynamics-wise. Not about carbon-copying real life. If we were really modeling real life, you'd have to have a heater/cooling unit to reflect the cockpit temperature of your plane at given altitude, nozzles for squirting oil in your face, some sort of setup to permanently injure you when your pilot takes some shrapnel, and making the computer explode in your face and kill you when your pilot dies.

Nobody wants any of that right?

IBTL...hopefully

This pile'o poo begs to be locked; the P-80 is coming come hell or high water, and I'm waiting with open arms.

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