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noobisoft
02-20-2008, 03:38 PM
Hello gentlemen,

IL-2 1946 is the first computer game that I have bought in nearly twenty years and I enjoy it immensely!

I'm training myself very roughly in line with A Nugget's Guide To Getting Off The Ground. I've chosen to practice primarily in an IL-2 1941 (third series) seeing as how the game/simulation is named IL-2.

1.) I see that other aircraft are recommended for noobs such as myself. Why is one aircraft recommended for learning over another, and why is the namesake of the game not included on that list?

2.) What is a good source (e.g. a well illustrated book or .pdf) of aerial combat maneuvers? I had one or two of these growing up, but they are long since gone and forgotten.

I'm embarrassed to say that I set up a quick mission last night and set myself up against a rookie enemy with the same plane and weapons load as myself (IL-2 w/ rockets) and no advantage assigned to either party, and I just couldn't get the bugger!! We just kept dancing, with him scoring occasional hits and me never managing to get on his tail. (After several hours of real frustration with this process I went back in with a FW-190 and decimated him, but I could not get behind him when we were in equal machines.) It's my hope that practicing some basic combat maneuvers will eventually enable me to beat my doppelganger.

Cheers

thefruitbat
02-20-2008, 03:51 PM
i cannot recommend enough downloading a reading 'in pursuit' You can find a link for it in the nuggets guide i believe.

Its a very good guide explaning most of the basic principles of air combat, and describes both 'basic' and 'advanced' combat maneuvers.

edit

see here:

http://web.comhem.se/~u85627360/ (http://web.comhem.se/%7Eu85627360/)

For planes i would recommend starting early in the war, say a bf109f4 or spit mkvb v other '41 or earlier opposition, but as you can see in this thread, some people would go for a different approch. Neither is right or wrong, its what suits you

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/2401092536

hope this helps

cheers fruitbat

Loco-S
02-20-2008, 03:54 PM
practice, practice and practice, try some forgiving airplanes like the Spitfire, La5-FN or the Mustang, when you get confident, go for the dark side...(Me-109)...that will close the circle... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-20-2008, 04:10 PM
Also check out www.joint-ops.com (http://www.joint-ops.com,), great online training school.

roybaty
02-20-2008, 05:38 PM
Welcome to the fold, after you learn the basics and run some off line campaigns you may want to look into joining a squad and flying online.

Flying with a team is a great experience and you find new friends the world over.

Jaws2002
02-20-2008, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by noobisoft:
Hello gentlemen,

IL-2 1946 is the first computer game that I have bought in nearly twenty years and I enjoy it immensely!

I'm training myself very roughly in line with A Nugget's Guide To Getting Off The Ground. I've chosen to practice primarily in an IL-2 1941 (third series) seeing as how the game/simulation is named IL-2.

1.) I see that other aircraft are recommended for noobs such as myself. Why is one aircraft recommended for learning over another, and why is the namesake of the game not included on that list?


Cheers


Hello sir and welcome.
For traning people tend to sugest planes that are user friendly and docile, without too many quirks. Planes that are easier to handle but in the same time give you enough performance to actually be able to shoot something while you are learning the basics. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The IL-2 is excelent for flight traning (docile, predictable with enough stall warning), but not the best for fighter ACM traning because it has bad visibility, poor performance (specially in vertical maneuvers) and powerful guns but a bit too far apart.
Having the guns so far apart will make the convergence extremely important and can be a problem for newer users.

For gunnery practice I think the Hurricane (IIB and IIC)is the best tool. It is a steady gun platform, has great big gunsight and bright tracers to see where your bulets/shells are going.

Good allaround planes for traning are La-5FN, Spitfire Mk5B, P-40, A6M. With this planes you will have better chance to kill things while you are traning.

Taylortony
02-20-2008, 07:11 PM
Also try

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm (http://people.ee.ethz.ch/%7Echapman/il2guide/fmbguide/intro.htm)

ImMoreBetter
02-20-2008, 07:17 PM
I'd say the Bf-109 G2 would be the best training plane.

Very stable, and stripped of things other than the basics. It's not the best plane, but it can keep up.

PBNA-Boosher
02-20-2008, 07:36 PM
The 109 series has that narrow track landing gear though, not that great for someone who just started off. I'd say your best bet is to start in the SBD-5 Dauntless. It's slow, forgiving, has a wide track landing gear, a radial engine in case you throw the throttle around, and can take a bit of punishment. Once you've mastered the SBD you've got the basics of flying down.

crucislancer
02-20-2008, 08:05 PM
Welcome noobisoft!

In addition to the above advice, all very good and helpful, bear in mind that there is quite the learning curve to this game. In make take a little time just to get proficient enough to shoot down a rookie plane in the QMB.

This worked for me when I started:

turn on all of the difficulty options on the first page, mainly dealing with flight characteristics and survivability. Ease yourself into some of the options on the 2nd page (Icons Off, No Map Icons, No Padlock, and so on). As your skills improve, you will find that you can do without some of those visual aids to the point that you will be able to take on an Ace AI pilot with ease.

Then, hop online and see that and Ace AI pilot is nothing compared to a human pilot. Much more crafty! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Enjoy!

Stiletto-
02-20-2008, 08:53 PM
Slow and docile? Eto maneuver? Soft on landings? Take the TB-3! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Seriously though, most of the fighters and single seat bombers have suggested are good starters, I personally would pick the Hurricane, La-5Fn, or the Bf 109 F-4, but yeah the landings are wobbly on that last one, but in the air, it does everything very well, hard to mess things up real big in it. Problems with La-5 and most Russian aircraft is that if you are practicing vertical combat maneuvers they break up in a dive fairly easy..
Well anyways this is getting too advanced and nitpicky, main point is, find an easier one to begin with that people have stated, and stick with that aircraft until you get proficient with it, and by proficient I do not mean stick with it for 2 years before you are an uber-ace, learn to take off and land in it, the basics.. Learn to shoot things down with it, once you get a few kills in and and can fly a full mission (including take offs, landings, mission objectives..) then its time to try something else and see what you like. You will probably never master all of them because there are so many to choose from! But one thing I am against, is starting off with the realism settings flipped off that change the way the plane flies.. if you fly with out torque and gyro effects, stalls, etc.. You will literally have to learn the aircraft twice when you decide to switch to more realistic settings, and by that time, the wrong habits that you have made with that aircraft will be hard to break. It's okay to not use overheat, engine management, externals, and icons, though.. as this doesn't actually change the basics of flying. And most of all, have fun!

VW-IceFire
02-20-2008, 09:18 PM
I'll tackle question 1.

The namesake, the IL-2, is a fantastic low level mud moving ground ponding close support aircraft. Its relatively docile and generally easy to fly but its not high performance and if you do manage to somehow make the IL-2 depart from controlled flight (its hard but not impossible) recovery is usually hard because you're so close to the ground.

Ground pounding is also inherently hazardous with elements like marauding enemy fighters, flak that can sometimes be quite deadly, and of course the ground claims its share of victims as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm more and more into the ground attacks with the IL-2, A-20, G4M, Ju-88, or anything else that carries bombs or large cannons for ground attack. Its probably better to graduate into these after you've lived life as a fighter jock first unless you really like flying these types of missions. In which case head straight for the IL-2 and start there.

Still...something like a 109G-2 is still a bit easier to fly as its far more responsive.

Zeus-cat
02-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Download my "Straight From the Farm" campaign to practice takeoffs and landings (see the link below). The campaign starts on land and then moves to carrier operations. The campaign covers a lot of the basic functions that you need to map like whell chocks, dive flaps, dive bombing sight, etc.

Also check out the Nuggets' Guide on the General Discussion forum for more tips on how to fly.

The campaign uses the SBD-3, which is an easy plane to fly. The IL-2 is also a good choice as it is ridiculously stable.

noobisoft
02-22-2008, 04:52 PM
Gentlemen, thank you very much for the information and suggestion.

FYI, I fly with most of the reality setting on with the only notable exceptions being complex engine management and external views. Hardware: DuoCore 3Ghz, 3+ GB RAM on XP 32bit, 680i motherboard, 8800GTX graphics card, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro joystick.