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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 06:50 PM
As a past owner of a GeForce 3 Ti500, GeForce 4 Ti 4200 and GeForce 4 Ti 4600, I can say a couple of things here...

First off, The GeForce 4 Ti 4200, no matter what benchmarks say, kicks the pants off my old GeForce 3 Ti 500, so that comparison is bunk.

Next, the GeForce 4 Ti 4200, while not the most impressive card in the world today, has tremendous room for easy overclocking. Just download coolbits and tweak away. No worrying whether you got the 4 pipe version or the 8-pipe version. Just simple clock speed vs. heat.

With stock cooling, I was able to run my Ti 4200 just shy of GeForce 4 Ti 4600 speeds. I've set up a few of my tight-budgeted friends this way over the last year or so and they're able to play just about anything out there just fine. It's true that anything over 4x anti-aliasing will grind this card to a crawl, but at 2x, it's still respectable, and frankly much better than the 9500 and 9600's that I've seen.

On a side note, my OC'd Ti 4600 (now dead, god rest it's hard-working soul) actually ran FB faster, better and without a hitch on perfect mode than my new 9800 Pro. I love my Radeon, but you're only going to be getting a DX8 card anyhow, there's still merit to the GeForce 4 series.

I am not preaching for Nvidia, as god knows I think there new cards suck monket balls, but I think that this guy should go ahead and grab his Ti 4200 and coolbits and enjoy some pretty decent gaming for damn cheap!

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 06:50 PM
As a past owner of a GeForce 3 Ti500, GeForce 4 Ti 4200 and GeForce 4 Ti 4600, I can say a couple of things here...

First off, The GeForce 4 Ti 4200, no matter what benchmarks say, kicks the pants off my old GeForce 3 Ti 500, so that comparison is bunk.

Next, the GeForce 4 Ti 4200, while not the most impressive card in the world today, has tremendous room for easy overclocking. Just download coolbits and tweak away. No worrying whether you got the 4 pipe version or the 8-pipe version. Just simple clock speed vs. heat.

With stock cooling, I was able to run my Ti 4200 just shy of GeForce 4 Ti 4600 speeds. I've set up a few of my tight-budgeted friends this way over the last year or so and they're able to play just about anything out there just fine. It's true that anything over 4x anti-aliasing will grind this card to a crawl, but at 2x, it's still respectable, and frankly much better than the 9500 and 9600's that I've seen.

On a side note, my OC'd Ti 4600 (now dead, god rest it's hard-working soul) actually ran FB faster, better and without a hitch on perfect mode than my new 9800 Pro. I love my Radeon, but you're only going to be getting a DX8 card anyhow, there's still merit to the GeForce 4 series.

I am not preaching for Nvidia, as god knows I think there new cards suck monket balls, but I think that this guy should go ahead and grab his Ti 4200 and coolbits and enjoy some pretty decent gaming for damn cheap!

XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:53 PM
Kenaneu wrote:
- As a past owner of a GeForce 3 Ti500, GeForce 4 Ti
- 4200 and GeForce 4 Ti 4600, I can say a couple of
- things here...
-
- First off, The GeForce 4 Ti 4200, no matter what
- benchmarks say, kicks the pants off my old GeForce 3
- Ti 500, so that comparison is bunk.
-
- Next, the GeForce 4 Ti 4200, while not the most
- impressive card in the world today, has tremendous
- room for easy overclocking. Just download coolbits
- and tweak away. No worrying whether you got the 4
- pipe version or the 8-pipe version. Just simple
- clock speed vs. heat.
-
- With stock cooling, I was able to run my Ti 4200
- just shy of GeForce 4 Ti 4600 speeds. I've set up a
- few of my tight-budgeted friends this way over the
- last year or so and they're able to play just about
- anything out there just fine. It's true that
- anything over 4x anti-aliasing will grind this card
- to a crawl, but at 2x, it's still respectable, and
- frankly much better than the 9500 and 9600's that
- I've seen.


I recently replaced my 4200 128 meg "golden sample" card with a 9800 pro, and while there is certainly a difference, I find that in my configuration I didn't gain enough to bother.. the 4200 does over clock nicely and worked perfect. I have plenty of driver issues with the 9800 that are really bugging me. Had I known I would have waited for one more generation of video cards... Now I spent a bunch of money and have an extra card for a few more fps..

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Buzz_25th
11-08-2003, 07:57 PM
I think guys expect to much from just a vid card change. Get all the CPU you can afford first.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 07:59 PM
Nvidia definitely makes the best cards for this game.

It's funny listening to people with ATI and all their bugs. They even know Nvidia does openGL better than ATI yet they act like none of this matters. They take blind fanboism to an all new level.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 08:06 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- I think guys expect to much from just a vid card
- change. Get all the CPU you can afford first.


Bahh. A video card is the most important thing you can have for this game. Settings should be no less than excellent, and the difference between a GF3Ti3200 and a GF4Ti4400 is huge compared to the difference between a XP1900+ and a XP2600+.

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Buzz_25th
11-08-2003, 08:15 PM
Not as much as from a P4 1.5 to a 3.2. If you have a slow CPU, a vid card change won't give you that much.

Stop making like you know everything Ray.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 08:22 PM
RayBanJockey wrote:
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- Bahh. A video card is the most important thing you
- can have for this game. Settings should be no less
- than excellent, and the difference between a
- GF3Ti3200 and a GF4Ti4400 is huge compared to the
- difference between a XP1900+ and a XP2600+.

Not for THIS game, unless you mean MOHAA or SOFII with *this*. Generally speaking a flightsim is far more processor dependant then a FPS or so...

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 08:23 PM
TI4200 card is excellent. Bought one a few months back and am very impressed, especially with the overclocking.

But like someone else said it`s not just the card but your overall system that results in performance. The ti4200 will certainly help but not solve everything...

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 08:32 PM
All you have to do is see how much different your frames are between 1024x768 and 1600x1200 to tell if you could use a better video card.

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Buzz_25th
11-08-2003, 08:34 PM
Explain that Ray.

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 09:29 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Explain that Ray.


It's pretty simple. If your CPU is capped out then you can change resolution and there is no/ hardly any effect.

If your video card is the bottleneck then you can change resolution and there is a very noticable effect.

Of course if you look you can find a specific instance of where you need a better CPU, but for the most part almost 100% of the time a video card is put to the test (the most basic things you can do like fly around and look around)

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 10:27 PM
Kenaneu wrote:
- I am not preaching for Nvidia, as god knows I think
- there new cards suck monket balls, but I think that
- this guy should go ahead and grab his Ti 4200 and
- coolbits and enjoy some pretty decent gaming for
- damn cheap!

I'm assuming this post is meant for me (as a reply to my post titled "GFX card question"). If so, thanks for the info. If not, thanks for the info nontheless, as this is exactly what I was looking for!

I've gotten an idea (and I wonder how I haven't thought of that before) that I'll just go down to the local hardware store and check out what version of the 9500 they have in stock. If it's moddable (esp. if I get lucky and they still carry the older PCB) it's prolly worth the risk to get the more expensive 9500 and try to mod it.

While on the topic: anyone know what kinds of 9500s AREN'T moddable? According to this FAQ ( http://www.ocfaq.com/softmod/faq.php) it seems all the 9500 should mod at least into a 9500 Pro (albeit possibly with artifacts).

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 11:21 PM
lets not forget about the RAM too....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-08-2003, 11:26 PM
jeroen, your sig rocks man ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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