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VaddY
03-19-2006, 01:27 PM
As Il2 series come to be finalized it is a pity to see a serious bug unfixed still.

When you are not a leader and fly a mission within a squad of 3 or 4 aircraft being second or third, all your squad teammates, that fly after you, crash the ground immediatly after you land!!!!! Because they dont know of your landing desision, and you are unable to inform them. No difference for bots: you are flying, gliding or levelling before touch. They just keep after you.

This bug dramatically change the offline campaign statistic if you start as a leutenant or so, because every mission you squad will miss 1 or 2 planes crashing at your own airbase due to that bug.

VaddY
03-19-2006, 01:27 PM
As Il2 series come to be finalized it is a pity to see a serious bug unfixed still.

When you are not a leader and fly a mission within a squad of 3 or 4 aircraft being second or third, all your squad teammates, that fly after you, crash the ground immediatly after you land!!!!! Because they dont know of your landing desision, and you are unable to inform them. No difference for bots: you are flying, gliding or levelling before touch. They just keep after you.

This bug dramatically change the offline campaign statistic if you start as a leutenant or so, because every mission you squad will miss 1 or 2 planes crashing at your own airbase due to that bug.

LEBillfish
03-19-2006, 01:36 PM
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Never the less, that would entail at some point they become independant of you....The limitations of the sim or AI in general may not allow that as you're requiring them to understand a throttle cut being different then a landing......Don't know just a thought.

lowfighter
03-19-2006, 01:45 PM
Does this happen also when you ask permission for landing?
Never noticed because I fly always "last in line" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VaddY
03-19-2006, 01:51 PM
I cant say exactly from what patchpoint that bug arise (guess from 4.02), but earlier the bots could check the actual altitude, boosting away immediatly after you reach the critical one.

VaddY
03-19-2006, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lowfighter:
Does this happen also when you ask permission for landing?
Never noticed because I fly always "last in line" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sure! No problems if you are 1st or last!

Yes, I tried to ask landing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I tryes to fool AI diffrent ways, and the only technique to avoid them crash - get out the main combat first and get home earlier then leader with no bot teammates in vicinity. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
03-19-2006, 03:44 PM
If you order them to return to home, it will run fine.

DuxCorvan
03-19-2006, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you order them to return to home, it will run fine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're only leader because your leader is dead, you can't give orders.

DaimonSyrius
03-19-2006, 05:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Isn't it reassuring to have an expert verifying once in a while that most men have better brains and more will than the AI in some computer software? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Cheers,
S.

zoinks_
03-19-2006, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
we are supposed to be obiedient? and all this time i thought...well, no wonder.

shinden1974
03-19-2006, 09:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DaimonSyrius:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Isn't it reassuring to have an expert verifying once in a while that most men have better brains and more will than the AI in some computer software? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Cheers,
S. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YEAH!!!...YEAH!!!! little better than the AI that's us!!!! ooh,ooh...

wait a minute...

AnaK774
03-20-2006, 03:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most likely they are better in telepathics, that seems to be main communication method some wifes use for their husbands http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://folk.ntnu.no/shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/78.html

How about detection for AI if leader is dropping gear, hook, flaps etc?

SeaFireLIV
03-20-2006, 05:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most men http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ooh. Another shot at men again. Well the same very much applies to females... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif In fact, let`s just see what it looks like:


"Yet they are obiedient...........more then I can say for most women http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif"

Interesting, and probably applies better.



@VaddY :

Yes, this is a well-known bug, which i`ve petitioned Oleg many times with words and screenshots, but he completely ignores this problem.

VaddY
03-20-2006, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
If you order them to return to home, it will run fine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can do it if and only if YOU ARE the leader. If you are 2-nd or 3-rd you cant order bots after you. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

AVG_WarHawk
03-21-2006, 02:59 AM
Wow! It's gotta be a new record. I've never seen the same line quoted so many times. How are things at home Billfish? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

zoinks_
03-21-2006, 04:06 AM
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/zoinks_/mrsleghorn2.jpg

Scansion
03-21-2006, 06:48 PM
If you're 2nd in line and your heroic leader dies HO'ing the first thing he finds, the only way I've found to stop the AI crashing is to pop the auto pilot on when you're doing circuits back at base waiting to land after the sortie at least until your plane lowers the gear. This seems to get the message across to your flight and they resume going around till its clear.

Be warned though, if you turn auto pilot off to land yourself the nose will drop like a brick.

mortoma
03-22-2006, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Be warned though, if you turn auto pilot off to land yourself the nose will drop like a brick. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, and if you are flying the 262 or a heavier plane such as a bomber, it's almost impossible to keep your plane from nose-diving in.

This bug has been with us for a long time and the best way to prevent it is to simply not fly as number 2 or 3. I fly as four most of my career by setting the promotion rate setting in the conf.ini so low I never get promoted. But this is not the biggest reason I do that. The biggest reason is because I like to fly formation with the AI. So flight leader is out of the question and numer 2 or 3 is out because of the bug we are discussing.

IAFS_Painter
03-23-2006, 01:58 AM
While it doesn't always work, try requesting landing permission as you approach


On the (human) obedience issue, it's a people thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

People will obey better if you ask them to perform tasks they want to perform.
Once obedience is a habbit, they'll perform the less savoury tasks better too.

DaimonSyrius
03-23-2006, 07:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by IAFS_Painter:
On the (human) obedience issue, it's a people thing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

People will obey better if you ask them to perform tasks they want to perform.
Once obedience is a habbit, they'll perform the less savoury tasks better too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Good insight, Painter

Maybe it could be considered as a language issue (not only verbal language):

-If you ask somebody to do something, it's likely that they will see doing it as kindly doing what you ask.

-If you tell somebody to do something, there still might be room for them to see that as taking an advice, or following guidelines, or even as an instruction, just a procedure being detailed or specified.

-But when someone commands others to do something, then the person issuing the command is raising the unequivocal question by the very act of commanding the task: to obey, or not to obey? No more alternatives.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Cheers,
S.

jamesdietz
03-24-2006, 10:04 AM
What's really sad is that all those AI parents & AI families loose their AI pilot sons in such a meaningless, unnecessary way....

DuxCorvan
03-24-2006, 10:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
What's really sad is that all those AI parents & AI families loose their AI pilot sons in such a meaningless, unnecessary way.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They had it coming, for behaving as suicidal psychos.

jamesdietz
03-24-2006, 10:50 AM
Maybe it was a quality control issue at the AI Aircraft factory...you know those overpaid underskilled AIworkers back home....??????

Danschnell
03-25-2006, 06:08 PM
This is something that always very annoyed me. I've sent tracks to Oleg before to show that AI wingmen crash into the ground after you land. But he never fixed it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Most AI problems are related to the fact that they just don't damn pull back on the stick in time!!!

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-27-2006, 01:17 PM
Fly online. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Your wingmen won't disobediently nosedive into the ground, and there are enough silly hijinks to entertain even the most jaded individual all the while challenging your flying skills considerably more than any old AI pilot can.

Just a thought


TB