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major_setback
04-07-2007, 09:34 AM
I stumbled across two pieces of information today.

The first is the site I've posted showing Italian involvement in BoB,
with accounts of Br20 bombing raids.

The second is a fact I read in a book on the battle which states that a squadron (172a)
of Cant Z1007 bis Alcione reconnaissance aircraft was stationed in Belgium (Chièvres)
during the closing stages of the battle. This is a wonderful looking aircraft, and it would
make a wonderful addition (I'm dreaming so bear with me) to the SoW:BoB game (as a patch, or add-on).
There is further information on the aircraft on the site I linked below.

Please feel free to add any information on Italian involvement in BoB to the thread.

The site:

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

The Cant Z1007 BIS (the type used was the one with the twin endplate fins).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/0/06/Cant_Z.1007_later_version.jpg/250px-Cant_Z.1007_later_version.jpg

http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/cantz/cant_z1007bis_191sq_86gr_35st_bt_grecia.jpg

http://oldwolf.myrice.com/italyaircraft/images/z1007-01.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6320/cantz1007iii0ay.jpg

major_setback
04-07-2007, 09:34 AM
I stumbled across two pieces of information today.

The first is the site I've posted showing Italian involvement in BoB,
with accounts of Br20 bombing raids.

The second is a fact I read in a book on the battle which states that a squadron (172a)
of Cant Z1007 bis Alcione reconnaissance aircraft was stationed in Belgium (Chièvres)
during the closing stages of the battle. This is a wonderful looking aircraft, and it would
make a wonderful addition (I'm dreaming so bear with me) to the SoW:BoB game (as a patch, or add-on).
There is further information on the aircraft on the site I linked below.

Please feel free to add any information on Italian involvement in BoB to the thread.

The site:

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

The Cant Z1007 BIS (the type used was the one with the twin endplate fins).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/thumb/0/06/Cant_Z.1007_later_version.jpg/250px-Cant_Z.1007_later_version.jpg

http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/cantz/cant_z1007bis_191sq_86gr_35st_bt_grecia.jpg

http://oldwolf.myrice.com/italyaircraft/images/z1007-01.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6320/cantz1007iii0ay.jpg

HotelBushranger
04-07-2007, 09:49 AM
Yep, BR 20's and CR 42 escorts were present in the Battle of Britain, dunno about SM 79's (which should be in the game more than Cant 1007Z's http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif)

See here for more: http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

Rickustyit
04-07-2007, 10:26 AM
IIRC, there were actually about 5 of those in the BoB, and they never encountered British planes.

Who knows, probably an AI bomber, but I seriously doubt it.

And the Z.1007 is one of my favourite airplane ever.

And, have you ever seen the prototype Z.1015? It had a fantastic line and performance.

http://www.giemmesesto.org/images/aerei/cantZ1015/3CantZ1015.jpg

http://www.giemmesesto.org/images/aerei/cantZ1015/1CantZ1015.jpg

Too bad those planes are not well known outside Italy.

As for the Italian intervention in the battle, it was a semi-disaster, those planes could have been better employed in North africa than there.

Can you imagine fighting Spits with a bloody Cr42 with an open cockpit in November? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Guts and, unfortunately, no glory ...

Cheers,
Rick

269GA-Veltro
04-07-2007, 10:51 AM
http://enrico.fiorentin.googlepages.com/w3.jpg

mauld
04-07-2007, 11:33 AM
I think this one was in the Battle of Britain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlqupFz54ck

PBNA-Boosher
04-07-2007, 12:15 PM
What Veltro means is, yes, Italians and their aircraft will be part of SoW: BoB.

GerritJ9
04-07-2007, 02:14 PM
My father grew up in Vlissingen, and remembered Italian CR.42s being briefly based at Souburg in late 1940. The Italians quickly discovered that CR.42s were no match for Hurricanes and Spitfires, and they were withdrawn.

Heliopause
04-08-2007, 01:29 AM
The following pic was probably taken near Vlissingen. A germanized Fokker G.1 with Fiat '42's in the backround.

Gerrit, your father remembers G.1's at that time aswell?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b334/PauseHelio/FokkerG-1Belgie.jpg

major_setback
04-08-2007, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rickustyit:
IIRC, there were actually about 5 of those in the BoB, and they never encountered British planes.

Who knows, probably an AI bomber, but I seriously doubt it.

And the Z.1007 is one of my favourite airplane ever.

And, have you ever seen the prototype Z.1015? It had a fantastic line and performance.

http://www.giemmesesto.org/images/aerei/cantZ1015/3CantZ1015.jpg

http://www.giemmesesto.org/images/aerei/cantZ1015/1CantZ1015.jpg

Too bad those planes are not well known outside Italy.

As for the Italian intervention in the battle, it was a semi-disaster, those planes could have been better employed in North africa than there.

Can you imagine fighting Spits with a bloody Cr42 with an open cockpit in November? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Guts and, unfortunately, no glory ...

Cheers,
Rick </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's a very nice aircraft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.

http://www.asso4stormo.it/arc2/dmo/dmo10.jpg

Waldo.Pepper
04-08-2007, 02:01 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Italia/Uno.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Italia/duo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Italia/Falco.jpg

major_setback
04-08-2007, 02:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
http://enrico.fiorentin.googlepages.com/w3.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A very good render, I don't suppose it was done for SoW:BoB, but it would be nice if it could one day be incorporated into it.

AlGroover
04-08-2007, 04:50 AM
Peter Haining's book 'The Chianti Raiders' (2005) is a very readable account of the Italians in BoB. Loved the account of Mussolini taking personal control of Hitler's plane. Hilarious.

zhenelzuar
04-08-2007, 05:13 AM
Looks very interesting

larschance
04-08-2007, 10:46 AM
The following Italian types were involved in the BOB.
Z1007bis on recce but no contact with RAF
G50 on fighter and coastal patrol no contact with RAF
BR20 raided English coast eg Ramsgate and lost bombers to RAF
CR42 escorted BR20s but apart from losses to RAF several crashed in bad weather and thru lack of fuel
All units based in Belgium and fighter pilots were learning to fly 109Es. Its a pity their bosses didnt allow them to use them in combat as the pilots were very experienced.
Good references are Chianti Raiders and Courage Alone.

Rickustyit
04-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Veltro, was that 3d model made for some sims?

It looks very promising and well done.

The Z.1007 was really a beauty, and a better medium bomber overall , compared to the sturdy S.M.79.

For those who are interested, there are two small articles here (http://www.dodecaneso.org/12maggio2005.htm) and here (http://www.ottocubano.com/vigna%20CR42_%201.htm)(unfortunately only in Italian) with photos of the new Fiat CR42 "Falco" that is actually being exposed in the "Vigna di Valle" museum, with a veteran who flew with the the "exact" same airplane more than 60 years ago...

http://www.dodecaneso.org/TricaCicheCr42.jpg

http://www.ottocubano.com/images/CR%2042/DSC08750.jpg

Ciao
Rick

Monty_Thrud
04-08-2007, 12:24 PM
I think they're cracking looking aircraft those Italians birds, lets hope for BoB:SoW.