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Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 05:33 AM
Hi all! I bought this for a bargain from an Estonian second-hand shop. I'm not sure if it's authentic, but if it is, can you perhaps provide me with some more info about it?

Thanks!

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8217/img40646lb.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9636/img40633nf.jpg

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1347/img40591sf.jpg

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 05:33 AM
Hi all! I bought this for a bargain from an Estonian second-hand shop. I'm not sure if it's authentic, but if it is, can you perhaps provide me with some more info about it?

Thanks!

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8217/img40646lb.jpg
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/9636/img40633nf.jpg

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1347/img40591sf.jpg

p-11.cAce
02-17-2006, 05:53 AM
Need to see a closeup of the back and a description of any letters or numbers engraved or stamped there as well as a detail shot of the mounting posts or clip.

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p-11.cAce:
Need to see a closeup of the back and a description of any letters or numbers engraved or stamped there as well as a detail shot of the mounting posts or clip. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I *THINK* there are some letters in the back, but I can't see them under about 1.5mm of dirt. I'm currently trying to clean it up so much that I could see them. I'll report back when I do.

Krizz1972
02-17-2006, 06:20 AM
NSFK (Nationalsozialistischer Fliegerkorps) that was the german airsport-association founded in 1937.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Luftsportverband

csThor
02-17-2006, 06:22 AM
It's not from the Luftwaffe. If it is a real one it's from NSFK - the Nationalsozialistisches Fliegerkorps. It was basically a big civil flying club controlled by the NSDAP, but it's main task was to train future Luftwaffe aircrew. There was a similar organisation for motor vehicles (the NSKK - Nationalsozialistisches Kraftfahrerkorps) and its main task was to train future soldiers of the Wehrmacht's mobile divisions.

The plane looks like a Klemm 35, BTW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 06:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krizz1972:
NSFK (Nationalsozialistischer Fliegerkorps) that was the german airsport-association founded in 1937.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Luftsportverband </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't speak Deutch. . .

Can You please post the most important parts here in English?

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 06:27 AM
I used Altavista's BabelFish to translate it to English. Here:

With the establishment of the 'German air sport federation, 'als registered association (DLV e.V.), the NSDAP undertook two months after its seizure of power in the German Reich in March 1933 the attempt to create by synchronising a uniform basis for the military flier training. The chairman of the association was Hermann Goering and stellvertrender chairmen Ernst Roehm.

Already at the end of March 1933 - still before the establishment of the realm aviation Ministry - became by Hermann Goering all air sport organizations, in particular

* the Roehn Rossitten society

* the aero club of Germany (that as representation in relation to the foreign country to only exist remains)

in a uniform federation, the German air sport federation (DLV) in summary. All mechanisms of the federations specified above, their training facilities and flier schools turned into on the DLV. The major task of the new federation, that under the common line of the aviation Ministry, the realm military Ministry and the highest SAguidance is located and in closest connection both with the realm resistance and the police as well as with the SA, SS, to the steel helmet, which works Hitler Youth (HJ) and the work service, is the military flier training.

The flier towers of the SA were extracted from the SA and integrated the DLV. On 21 June 1933 took place in Berlin a common discussion of the leaders of the SA and SS Fliegerstuerme, with which the transition of the flier towers into the DLV carried out and which was specified to guidelines for the uniform structure of entire German "sport aviation". On the occasion of this discussion Goering addressed a call to the German fliers (in: ,June 1933) is awake, in which it meant among other things:



"the leader arranged to summarize all forces of German
aviation uniformly. I agreed therefore with the chiefs of staff
of the SA and the realm leader of the SS to summarize these forces in
the context of the German air sport federation. They will form
the basic stick of new flier towers there."

Extracting the flier towers from the SA does not mean thus by any means an attenuation of the war flier training, but in the opposite their extension. In all other respects also the members of the DLV received the same rights by in December 1933 the issued realm aviation law as the members of the SA, SS and the steel helmet, whose airplane relays were likewise integrated into the DLV.

1937 were dissolved the DLV e.V and the successor organization NSFK (National Socialist flier corps) was created. The NSFK was a body of the public right and was subordinate thereby to the realm aviation Minister: Hermann Goering.

Friendly_flyer
02-17-2006, 06:30 AM
This is from the English Wikipedia:

The National Socialist Flyers Corps (German: Nationalsozialistisches Fliegerkorps; NSFK) was a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party that was founded in the early 1930s during the years when a German Air Force was forbidden by the Treaty of Versailles. The organization was based closely on the organization of the Sturmabteilung (SA) and maintained a system of paramilitary ranks closely associated with the SA. A similar group was the National Socialist Motor Corps.

During the early years of its existence, the NSFK conducted military aviation training in gliders and private airplanes. When Nazi Germany formed the Luftwaffe, many NSFK members transferred. As all such prior NSFK members were also Nazi Party members; this gave the new Luftwaffe a strong Nazi ideological base in constrast to the other branches of the German military, who were comprised of "Old Guard" officers from the German aristocracy.

The National Socialist Flyers Corps continued to exist after the Luftwaffe was founded, but to a much smaller degree. During World War II, the NSFK mainly performed air defense duties such as reserve anti-aircraft service.

Krizz1972
02-17-2006, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurricane_320:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Krizz1972:
NSFK (Nationalsozialistischer Fliegerkorps) that was the german airsport-association founded in 1937.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutscher_Luftsportverband </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't speak Deutch. . .

Can You please post the most important parts here in English? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It seems to be the NSFK Powered Aircraft Pilot 2nd Pattern.

http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/viewitem.asp?id=41444

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 06:32 AM
Klemm 35:


http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/5/6/4/0631465.jpg

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/4/3/4/0640434.jpg

major_setback
02-17-2006, 06:57 AM
Nice plane photos, do you have a link...to more of the same quality (not necessarily the same plane).

CD_kp84yb
02-17-2006, 07:36 AM
heya .

Nice badge, if you wanna know if its fake or real, post it here, these guys are experts.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=7ae0...6032c16068e7217047a2 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=7ae0204068076032c16068e7217047a2)

regards

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
Nice plane photos, do you have a link...to more of the same quality (not necessarily the same plane). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

www.airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net)

It's the ultimate! Almost one million high-quality aviaton images that all have passed a very strict quality border. I really do recommend it.

major_setback
02-17-2006, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hurricane_320:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
Nice plane photos, do you have a link...to more of the same quality (not necessarily the same plane). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

www.airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net)

It's the ultimate! Almost one million high-quality aviaton images that all have passed a very strict quality border. I really do recommend it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks. I had this bookmarked already, was hoping you'd found similar site. Look at these I found on that site, a slight mid air collision:

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/8/3/0905387.jpg

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/3/6/0/0917063.jpg

...and these:

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/0/6/6/0784660.jpg


http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/9/2/0/0849029.jpg


Sorry for detracting from the theme of this thread, I'll be quiet now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

LEBillfish
02-17-2006, 10:49 AM
ehhh.....I'm not really sure about the badge though.

Could you maybe post some just slightly bigger pictures as I just can't quite make out the sub-atomic structure of the base metal used....Once that's done and the individual atoms are counted, we'll have a better idea http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

MLudner
02-17-2006, 11:42 AM
The back is vital to determining authenticity. Any good fake or reproduction will be accurate on the facing side, it's the back that most often reveals the actuality.

Looks good from the front.

MB_Avro_UK
02-17-2006, 12:47 PM
hi,

I can't help as to authenticity although I collect RAF and Luftwaffe flight gear. The best advice I can give is that there are a **** of a lot of fake badges in circulation. That's why I will not consider such items http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

Hurricane_320
02-17-2006, 02:32 PM
Hi again all! I've been a bit busy this evening (school, shopping, badge-cleaning, searching for my cameras static and badge-photographing) so I haven't had too much time to reply to you. First of all, I, using my old static, took the best pictures I could of the badge, both back and front side. I'll have to keep cleaning the back though, since all numbers and such are not yet entirely readable under all the dirt.

Here they are:

http://img445.imageshack.us/img445/4834/img40674dq.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9973/img40689px.jpg

http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/8566/img40788hy.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/1547/img40802ah.jpg

But the extra cleaning will have to be tomorrow, cause' now i need some sleep! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

Treetop64
02-17-2006, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/middle/9/2/0/0849029.jpg


Sorry for detracting from the theme of this thread, I'll be quiet now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh! I live just five minutes away from where this happened! That was on the 4th of July weekend for an airshow at the Livermore airport (KLVK) in California. I got to ride in a B-17 (Nine-O-Nine) at that same airshow.

Funny to see that here!

TX-Bomblast
02-17-2006, 08:39 PM
Nice medal don't know if it's real. I recently bought a very nice Luftwaffe Pilots badge, with the "Juncker" Makers Mark. Take a look at these links. You may want to post your pictures there and get the experts opinion on your find.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102403

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/war_badges/luftwaffe/pilot_badge.htm

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.php

http://www.nchsinc.com/shop/10gerreprocatalog.htm

http://www.thirdreich.ca/index.htm

http://www.majorplm.com/catalogue/Cat-G-Medals%20&%20Badges.html

http://www.leisuregalleries.com/om.html

http://www.germaniainternational.com/luft9.html



TX-Bomblast
White 6

Hurricane_320
02-18-2006, 03:20 AM
BUMP

I'm sorry, I can't make out the numbers on the back better than you can see on these pictures.