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ytareh
12-02-2006, 05:56 AM
Welcome back!I was probably getting into the sim as you were leaving...What were you up to if its not too personal?(Sounds interesting)

ytareh
12-02-2006, 06:00 AM
I meant to say its probably a real treat for you to be back with all the stunning planes to choose from.Remember when it was a big thrill to get a new loadout or variant for the Fw190 on a Friday afternoon!?And the new graphics cards etc which probably cost little more than an old 9500/9700 etc 'back in the day'

Gryphonne
12-02-2006, 06:12 AM
You're alive once more! Welcome back man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BBB_Fiirkan here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S/JG54<Gryphon on HL nowadays.

See you in the air!

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tsisqua
12-02-2006, 06:54 AM
Welcome back, and welcome to the "Recovered MIA Club".

About a year for me . . . till yesterday http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

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Von_Ron
12-02-2006, 07:22 AM
Ahhhh Fiirkan http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, I had hoped war dogs such as you were still around even if using a different name http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

I remember you were quite a handful in the FW190 which is why Iiked you so much, do you still use it ?

I will be there today! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

ytareh,

The activities I referd to were just demamding activities which required all of my time, and hence my prolonged absence.

I have to agree that the volume of planes now available to choose is a little overwhelming, it is difficult to combat such a variety when they are all available on the same server, but those which are historical should be fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I think we were only experimenting with Voice in the game when I left, so team speak is a new thing to me, but I do remember the awful typing and chatbar messages causing damage to the plane like wheels comming off, typing the engine off, and all at critical moments http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Even my computer I left behind has changed!, at some point it broke and a new one was bought, and apparently its now 1.5 years old ...and I've only been using it for 6-8 weeks. I don't have any current problems untill Battle of Britian :O.

Best Regards
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The activities I mentioned above were just demanding activities http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Von_Ron
12-02-2006, 07:33 AM
Thank you tsisqua, you have a very nice website !is there any music available to listen to or have I overlooked the place ?

As I wrote earlier, I had hoped that flight simmulation gamers are the long term players, moving from flight sim to flight sim and maybe changing names ... or even just waiting quietly in the background for the next one to come out.

So many player names to remember! I can only recall them when I actully see them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Best Regards
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TgD Thunderbolt56
12-02-2006, 09:38 AM
tsisqua!!!

Welcome back both of you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Treetop64
12-02-2006, 09:44 AM
Wow. We got ourselves a bunch of old turds around here, don't we? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Von_Ron
12-02-2006, 11:26 AM
it may just be where you are ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Greetings from Von_Ron

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T_O_A_D
12-02-2006, 11:32 AM
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Von_Ron
12-02-2006, 11:47 AM
Hello and Thank you T_O_A_D http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.. I remember the Blitzpigs

Lixma is the only other Blitzpig name I can remember at this very moment but I am sure there are others too.

I live in the UK, can anyone suggest some good servers to use (cockpit on or off), I like both actully, cockpit off if I have little time to play, cockpit On if I have a lot of time.

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crazyivan1970
12-02-2006, 11:58 AM
Well well well, welcome back http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good to see ya <img src="http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_win

MEGILE
12-02-2006, 12:32 PM
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Von_Ron
12-02-2006, 12:58 PM
Wow ... with this post I may make "postbage Ace in a Day" !.

I am sure I had made some posts here at some time and orginally I joined in 2001 ?, You all seem to have thousands !!!!! it realy has been a long time http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif
or you've all been spamming http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Greetings from Von_Ron

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joeap
12-02-2006, 01:43 PM
Well don't remember you but welcome back!!

capt_frank
12-02-2006, 02:18 PM
yo ron!

so glad to see you again, has been a very long time! i think you left just as i was perfecting your "von ron" manuever.

welcome back my friend,

S!

peter

Airmail109
12-02-2006, 02:53 PM
Pffft wheres RBJ, kidding...welcome back hehehe<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Clan_Graham
12-02-2006, 03:29 PM
I don't know if you've heard.....but RBJ left.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VMF-214_HaVoK
12-02-2006, 03:33 PM
Welcome back and Im sure you will find this game just as enjoyable and amazing as the day you left it. I do believe I remember you we been here since original IL-2 days. Back when <b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">UBI[/b] had a lot of fliers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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woofiedog
12-07-2006, 04:28 AM
Happened upon this site about the Norden Bombsight and more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

This is the beginnings of a web site dedicated not only to the Norden Bombsight but it will also include information about the other bombsights as well.

The Norden bombsight is arguably one of the most important technological advancements to come out of WWII. Even though Carl Lucas Norden had built a prototype and was developing his bombsight well before, it was its use during WWII which made it famous. Even today people still marvel at the super secret Norden Bombsight.

Link: http://www.twinbeech.com/norden_bombsight.htm

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/V-4120/DSC06355web.JPG

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/bifnordennomenclature.jpg

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/DCP_0115.jpg
This is the German Lofte Bombsight that was used in many Luftwaffe aircraft in WWII. This photo provided by Todd Pederson.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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woofiedog
12-07-2006, 04:28 AM
Happened upon this site about the Norden Bombsight and more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

This is the beginnings of a web site dedicated not only to the Norden Bombsight but it will also include information about the other bombsights as well.

The Norden bombsight is arguably one of the most important technological advancements to come out of WWII. Even though Carl Lucas Norden had built a prototype and was developing his bombsight well before, it was its use during WWII which made it famous. Even today people still marvel at the super secret Norden Bombsight.

Link: http://www.twinbeech.com/norden_bombsight.htm

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/V-4120/DSC06355web.JPG

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/bifnordennomenclature.jpg

http://www.twinbeech.com/images/bombsight/DCP_0115.jpg
This is the German Lofte Bombsight that was used in many Luftwaffe aircraft in WWII. This photo provided by Todd Pederson.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/woofiedog/X-masWoofie.jpg

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nsteense
12-07-2006, 04:32 AM
It is one of the technological precision engineering masterpieces of the second world war. It goes in the same category as the Kommando Geraet on the BWM 801 engine!

http://www.white1foundation.org/parts/kommandogerat2.jpg

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Thanatos833
12-07-2006, 05:52 AM
LOL! Yeah, it was hailed as "the weapon that would win the war", it turned to to be pretty inaccurate and useless in the end. High altitude precision bombing did not become important as means of destroying production and infrastructure till later when guided missiles launched from planes and smart bombs were invented, at least IMO.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9285/do17in9.jpg

The Dornier Do-17, another brilliant example of German engineering, a ???Schnellbomber" which could just outrun all fighters, this plane led to the German victory in the Battle of Britain and indeed, the Second World War.

major_setback
12-07-2006, 07:02 AM
I had a look at the site. Could someone explain though why it was so great, what did it do that wasn't done before?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jarink
12-07-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by major_setback:
I had a look at the site. Could someone explain though why it was so great, what did it do that wasn't done before? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's main advantage over other bombsights of the late '30s was that it allowed the bombardier to essentially 'fly' the plane during the bomb run. This made it much easier to fine-tune bomb aiming. The Norden could be considered an airborne mechanical computer; it allowed many inputs and adjustments for bomb type, altitude, wind direction and velocity, etc., etc. so that the sight adjusted for these factors instead of the bombardier having to use "Kentucky windage". There was also a part that allowed for some evasive maneuvering on the bomb run without disrupting the sighting.

This bombsight was actually extremely effective at medium altitudes, but was not so great at the higher altitudes the Eighth AF used (25,000-30,000 feet). This was not really the fault of the sight, just the fact that the bombs can drift and separate further when they fall that far.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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HellToupee
12-07-2006, 08:54 AM
and the fact most of the time the target was covered by cloud. They had to revert to radar based sights.

Kurfurst__
12-07-2006, 12:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Even today people still marvel at the super secret Norden Bombsight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

'Super secret' is a bit ironic considering the German intel stole the plans before the war and knew everthing about it, before the Americans would let their British Allies even have a look at it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The British equivalent was AFAIK the S.T.A.B.S. bombsight, but unlike the fairly standard Norden/Sperry for the USAAF, or the Lofte for the Luftwaffe, only a fewer number of planes had it from mid-war.

I have no idea what the USSR, Japan or Italy used.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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mandrill7
12-07-2006, 05:01 PM
The USSR used Nordens on their lend-lease B-25's and stripped them out from damaged Mitchells and installed the Nordens in the luckier Il-4's.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thanatos833
12-08-2006, 01:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Even today people still marvel at the super secret Norden Bombsight. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

'Super secret' is a bit ironic considering the German intel stole the plans before the war and knew everthing about it, before the Americans would let their British Allies even have a look at it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The British equivalent was AFAIK the S.T.A.B.S. bombsight, but unlike the fairly standard Norden/Sperry for the USAAF, or the Lofte for the Luftwaffe, only a fewer number of planes had it from mid-war.

I have no idea what the USSR, Japan or Italy used. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Not that is mattered since the Germans never build a viable heavy bomber in any decent numbers, or for that matter they didn't really have the capability for strategic bombing on any major scale.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9285/do17in9.jpg

The Dornier Do-17, another brilliant example of German engineering, a ???Schnellbomber" which could just outrun all fighters, this plane led to the German victory in the Battle of Britain and indeed, the Second World War.

StG2_Schlachter
12-08-2006, 02:22 AM
Who needs a big payload if he can destroy his target with accuracy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Take modern airstrikes for example. A 500lbs bomb suffices in most cases.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Kurfurst__
12-08-2006, 02:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thanatos833:
Not that is mattered since the Germans never build a viable heavy bomber in any decent numbers, or for that matter they didn't really have the capability for strategic bombing on any major scale. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't see the connection, the Germans had their own just as good bombsihgt, the Lofte, and used it happily through the war in their medium and heavy bombers. The point was the secrecy surrounding the Norden was rather assymetric, and in the wrong way. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thanatos833
12-08-2006, 05:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
Who needs a big payload if he can destroy his target with accuracy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Take modern airstrikes for example. A 500lbs bomb suffices in most cases. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know the germans made some technical innovations but I'm sure they didn't use modern day smart bombs on any scale. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9285/do17in9.jpg

The Dornier Do-17, another brilliant example of German engineering, a ???Schnellbomber" which could just outrun all fighters, this plane led to the German victory in the Battle of Britain and indeed, the Second World War.

p1ngu666
12-08-2006, 07:59 AM
stabs was a league ahead of anything else, with all sorts of complex settings and stuff, but coupled with tall boy and grandslam, the most acurate combo for level bombing, or maybe even all bombing? not just on the test range, but in actual use too

the first raf bombsights used in ww2 where crude and curious, they are abit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif when you see them, 42-43 they started getting sights with similer workings as the luft and norden.

bomb spread was a issue, he111 the bombs tumble out and wobble about, so that kinda ruins pinpoint acuracy, but u get a nice spread out of it.

tall boy/grandslam hardly move at all when dropped, plus they spin, why they where so acurate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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p1ngu666
12-08-2006, 08:06 AM
early raf bombsite(s)

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666//rafbombsite.jpg

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stathem
12-08-2006, 08:22 AM
btw it's SABS.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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StG2_Schlachter
12-08-2006, 08:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thanatos833:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
Who needs a big payload if he can destroy his target with accuracy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Take modern airstrikes for example. A 500lbs bomb suffices in most cases. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know the germans made some technical innovations but I'm sure they didn't use modern day smart bombs on any scale. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ever heard the name "Fritz X" ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Hs 293 also comes to mind...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
12-08-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
stabs was a league ahead of anything else, with all sorts of complex settings and stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I have absolutely no reason to question the credibility of that well-written and supported statement.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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StG2_Schlachter
12-08-2006, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
stabs was a league ahead of anything else, with all sorts of complex settings and stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I have absolutely no reason to question the credibility of that well-written and supported statement. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Thanatos833
12-08-2006, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ever heard the name "Fritz X" ? Winky
Hs 293 also comes to mind... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Notice the word, modern day, those old things were pretty sucky.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9285/do17in9.jpg

The Dornier Do-17, another brilliant example of German engineering, a ???Schnellbomber" which could just outrun all fighters, this plane led to the German victory in the Battle of Britain and indeed, the Second World War.

StG2_Schlachter
12-08-2006, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thanatos833:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ever heard the name "Fritz X" ? Winky
Hs 293 also comes to mind... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Notice the word, modern day, those old things were pretty sucky. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty sucky, eh?

All those sailors who died when their ships got hit, would say something else.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Thanatos833
12-08-2006, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Germany developed two air-to-ground guided weapons during World War II, both used primarily to stem the tide of Allied shipping crossing the Atlantic Ocean. The first was the Henschel Hs 293--a 1,100-pound bomb with 10-foot wings, a tail, and a liquid rocket engine. The launching aircraft would fire the Hs 293 from outside the target ship's antiaircraft range (possible with the bomb's rocket), then remote control it via radio during its terminal glide to impact. The Hs 293 only impacted at 450 miles per hour, so it had less penetrating power than conventional bombs and was effective only against merchant ships. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> In any case these are anti shiippng weapons, I was talking about attacks on land targets.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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The Dornier Do-17, another brilliant example of German engineering, a ???Schnellbomber" which could just outrun all fighters, this plane led to the German victory in the Battle of Britain and indeed, the Second World War.

StG2_Schlachter
12-08-2006, 01:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thanatos833:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Germany developed two air-to-ground guided weapons during World War II, both used primarily to stem the tide of Allied shipping crossing the Atlantic Ocean. The first was the Henschel Hs 293--a 1,100-pound bomb with 10-foot wings, a tail, and a liquid rocket engine. The launching aircraft would fire the Hs 293 from outside the target ship's antiaircraft range (possible with the bomb's rocket), then remote control it via radio during its terminal glide to impact. The Hs 293 only impacted at 450 miles per hour, so it had less penetrating power than conventional bombs and was effective only against merchant ships. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> In any case these are anti shiippng weapons, I was talking about attacks on land targets. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you better do some reading on the subject.
The two mentioned guided bombs were also used against land targets in the battle for Normandy post D-Day and on the Eastern Front.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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berg417448
12-08-2006, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thanatos833:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
Who needs a big payload if he can destroy his target with accuracy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Take modern airstrikes for example. A 500lbs bomb suffices in most cases. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I know the germans made some technical innovations but I'm sure they didn't use modern day smart bombs on any scale. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ever heard the name "Fritz X" ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Hs 293 also comes to mind... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Indeed.

And on the allied side there were these "smart" bombs:

AZON bomb:
"Azon was used with moderate success in the Mediterranean and European theaters and with great success in the China Burma India theater where B-24 crews knocked out 14 bridges in seven missions."

http://www.space.edu/LibraryResearch/swanson/Exhibits/Azon.htm

http://www.455th.ukpc.net/tomfeise/455th/458azon.htm
Bat bomb;
"The US Navy designed Bat bomb was active RADAR homed weapon and was used in combat."

http://biomicro.sdstate.edu/pederses/asmbat.html

The TDR-1 Assault Drone:

"Remote-control or "stand-off" weapons were used in the Pacific. The TDR-1 Assault Drone carried a 2,000 lb. bomb load or torpedo, and included a TV camera for close-in guidance. The control plane carried a crew of four which included two pilots who's job it was to control the flight of the drone."

"The U.S. Navy???s first tactical precision guided weapon, the Interstate TDR-1 Assault Drone made some 100 successful attacks against anti-aircraft facilities in the South Pacific."


"Over the course of a month, VK-11 and VK-12 expended 46 TDRs in combat. Of these, 37 reached target areas, and at least 21 successfully executed precision attacks."

http://www.stagone.org/ns.html