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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:52 PM
Man talk about hardened targets. I could shoot down half a dozen BF-110's or BF-109's. Yet with my best efforts I can muster a mere 3 Stuka's in the dirt. The third of which was simply smoking like a coal train and I got credit as he must have crashed before he made it home.

I try to get good angles on them for good shots at the wings. I also try to hit them from the side so they can't hit back. Which gives me a good shot at their engine.
Yet somehow I always end up behind them and it seems you have to pound them to death before they go down. All the while the tail gunner is giving your poor engine a workout.

I admit my deflection shooting is not so hot. Especially from a distance. One mission I was given some rockets, and managed to blow 3 out the sky with them by getting so close I thought my prop was gonna cut their tail off.

For example here's how it usually starts. First I come from their 1-2 o'clock, and go for their engine. Sometimes I'll get a little smoke trail off them for my efforts. Never enough for a kill though in the I-16 which I know doesn't have the greatest armament in the world.
Then I come around hard after the pass, and hit them from about their 9 o'clock. Yet it's never resulted in a kill.
Then I come back around on their 4-5 o'clock, and instead of making a pass I cut throttle, and drift behind them.
This move always nails one I get along their right side, and then behind them. Still it takes some hammering.
Now here I am I can't really out run them, and trying to do so at this point would be a tail gunners dream.
Unless I want to break off the attack go out to one side, and then cut back in on them.
So typically I sit there, and creep up on their tails hammering them going for their wings mainly. I typically get 2 or 3 before my guns are spent.

Any other ideas? Or should I just break off the attack, and try for the better angles? Even though they seem less productive. Less hits with more ammo spent although I know a couple of good hits beats 200 poor hits any day. I notice when I put a couple of cannon rounds in their wings if I catch them in a climb it comes off pretty easily. It's a rare shot for me though.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:52 PM
Man talk about hardened targets. I could shoot down half a dozen BF-110's or BF-109's. Yet with my best efforts I can muster a mere 3 Stuka's in the dirt. The third of which was simply smoking like a coal train and I got credit as he must have crashed before he made it home.

I try to get good angles on them for good shots at the wings. I also try to hit them from the side so they can't hit back. Which gives me a good shot at their engine.
Yet somehow I always end up behind them and it seems you have to pound them to death before they go down. All the while the tail gunner is giving your poor engine a workout.

I admit my deflection shooting is not so hot. Especially from a distance. One mission I was given some rockets, and managed to blow 3 out the sky with them by getting so close I thought my prop was gonna cut their tail off.

For example here's how it usually starts. First I come from their 1-2 o'clock, and go for their engine. Sometimes I'll get a little smoke trail off them for my efforts. Never enough for a kill though in the I-16 which I know doesn't have the greatest armament in the world.
Then I come around hard after the pass, and hit them from about their 9 o'clock. Yet it's never resulted in a kill.
Then I come back around on their 4-5 o'clock, and instead of making a pass I cut throttle, and drift behind them.
This move always nails one I get along their right side, and then behind them. Still it takes some hammering.
Now here I am I can't really out run them, and trying to do so at this point would be a tail gunners dream.
Unless I want to break off the attack go out to one side, and then cut back in on them.
So typically I sit there, and creep up on their tails hammering them going for their wings mainly. I typically get 2 or 3 before my guns are spent.

Any other ideas? Or should I just break off the attack, and try for the better angles? Even though they seem less productive. Less hits with more ammo spent although I know a couple of good hits beats 200 poor hits any day. I notice when I put a couple of cannon rounds in their wings if I catch them in a climb it comes off pretty easily. It's a rare shot for me though.

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 08:55 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:01 PM
Stuka's where know to have the bullets bounce off the wings - if hit at an angle - i'm sure the modeling is not perfect in the game - but at the same time I would guess that they account for this to an extent. It may require that you take shots useing less angle. also - instead of trying to blow them out of the sky - aim for the pit and take the pilot out - then let the gunner wonder why he has been looking straight up for the past minute -

"Hmmm... this is a long dive the pilot has gotten into to - wonder if I should start thinking about getting ready to prepare for a bail??"

XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:10 PM
Get in close from any angle but behind - they don't like it up 'em! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:12 PM
when a little streak of black smoke appears, don't bother shooting the STUKA, unless you really want to. He is loosing oil rapidly and his engine will stop working.

Aiming for the wings is indeed the right tactic. You can also try to come in from below and shooting it in the belly or, the engine. Somtimes you can snap the plane in two pieces by shooting at the hull but, thos moments are rare and require lots of ammo. You are quite good with the rockets! I always miss most of those shots.

Shooting Stuka's with the MiG-3 is even more difficult because they are damaged very easily (by rear gunners)


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Hawgdog
09-11-2003, 09:41 PM
for a treat, start quick mission builder, one ace I-16 and four average stukas! As soon as spawn, hit auto pilot and learn from the master AI grasshopper

I can usually take out two before running out of ammo.
Attack from underneath. I back off the throttle and put a few rounds under the carriage. If they smoke, go for another one. They break but reform when you peel off for new attack

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 09:43 PM
I flew against 3 stukas this day in a P-47. I always kept some distance and sprayed them, from behind, but the most effective tactic is probably diving under them, then climbing up and shooting them from below. If you do that correctly, the tail gunner can't hurt you. They all got their wings ripped off.

I remember when I tried a dogfight with a stuka. A yak was closing in from behind, but my AI tail gunner hit his engine, so he bailed out.

Zayets
09-11-2003, 10:44 PM
Actually the man is right , is not so easy in a I-16 to down a Stuka , Same stays for P-40. In P-47 you have to shoot long bursts. Flew against 2 aces Stukas 10 mins ago. One was smoking , the other one killed my engine. WTH I'm doing wrong here. Is the first time when I do it so bad against Stukas in my Jug? Could be the beer?

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XyZspineZyX
09-11-2003, 11:53 PM
I always seem to knock the elevators and rudder off. Not really trying to do it, but thats how it always seems to happen. They seem to fall off quiet easily. And that turns the Stuka into a lawn dart.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 12:30 AM
What are you complaining about in the first place?? Getting three Stukas is an excellent days works anyway. And in RL if you got that many in one mission, you'd likely get a medal or two pinned on your chest. Some planes are just harder and tougher than others, just because you can shoot down 5 planes of one type with one load of ammo does not mean you'll be able to shoot down 5 of another. Don't compare apples to oranges here.

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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:04 AM
What can I say I'm greedy lol.

XyZspineZyX
09-12-2003, 02:20 AM
I had a stuka survive an RS-82 from my MiG yesterday. It shredded his left wing, and blew off his right landing gear, but he could still fly!

They're tough, small targets, which makes them bloody hard to shoot down. The B version is not so hard though, compared to the D & G.