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JG52Karaya-X
06-03-2006, 02:22 AM
Well... you're wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic105.jpg http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic18.jpg

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic102.jpg http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j2pic32.jpg

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/ALF101-Ta183Brushless.wmv

JG52Karaya-X
06-03-2006, 02:22 AM
Well... you're wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic105.jpg http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic18.jpg

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j9pic102.jpg http://www.hobby-lobby.com/images/flyingpics/j2pic32.jpg

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/ALF101-Ta183Brushless.wmv

bazzaah2
06-03-2006, 02:37 AM
nice model!

I reckon that's how the in-game version will fly.

Badsight.
06-03-2006, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bazzaah2:

I reckon that's how the in-game version will fly. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>HA!

Fox_3
06-03-2006, 03:57 PM
If we do get a flyable one, I want to know what they have based the cockpit on.

DuxCorvan
06-03-2006, 04:01 PM
Jokes apart, this at least proves that the project was aerodinamically viable. With the proper power unit, it could fly and be under control. Specs is another matter, tho.

PlaneEater
06-03-2006, 05:28 PM
If it sounds even sort of like that video, I bet it gets nicknamed the Whistle ('Die Pfeifen').

woofiedog
06-03-2006, 05:40 PM
Mint video... Thank's for posting.

Aardvark184
06-03-2006, 10:10 PM
Badsight, can you please remind me what airplane is in your sig? I think the last time I've seen it was in a flight sim about a decade ago... maybe SWOTL? Thanks!

Tim

Badsight.
06-03-2006, 10:18 PM
Kyushu J7W1 Shinden

flew twice - J7W2 was the paper-only Jet version

JG52Karaya-X
06-04-2006, 03:11 AM
There was also a similar German design as early as 1941 - the Henschel Hs P.75 (http://www.luft46.com/henschel/hsp75.html)

DuxCorvan
06-04-2006, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aardvark184:
Badsight, can you please remind me what airplane is in your sig? I think the last time I've seen it was in a flight sim about a decade ago... maybe SWOTL? Thanks!

Tim </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The sim was Sierra's 'Aces of The Pacific'.

A serious 1946 add-on should have this one, apart from an advanced Japanese bomber based on Me 262, the Gekko jet fighter -a straight wing copy of 262, the improved Komet (Me or Ju 263) and its Japanese counterpart (Shusui), the Bachem Natter, the Tsurugi cheap kamikaze aircraft, the British early Vampire and Meteor, Hawker Sea Fury, Griffon Spitfires, La-9 and La-11, F8F Bearcat, F7F Tigercat and P-82, apart from a few nice US jet projects. But...

goshikisen
06-04-2006, 07:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
apart from an advanced Japanese bomber based on Me 262, the Gekko jet fighter -a straight wing copy of 262 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kikka?

Bo_Nidle
06-04-2006, 11:49 AM
Nice model.

Anyone else notice a suspicious resemblance to the Mig15?

RCAF_Irish_403
06-04-2006, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
Nice model.

Anyone else notice a suspicious resemblance to the Mig15? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Soviets stole the design?

SaQSoN
06-04-2006, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Anyone else notice a suspicious resemblance to the Mig15? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any resemblance, apart, that it has 2 wings and a jet engine. But you can say that about the F-16 vs MiG-15 too. General Dynamics stole the Mikoyan-Gurevich design?.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ElAurens
06-04-2006, 03:28 PM
Well, the model proves it flys at very low speed.

I'd like to see it in the trans-sonic region...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And it looks nothing like a Mig. Where do you guys come up with this stuff anyway?

Wishful thinking because your team lost?

Luftenvy?

http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/15/MiG-15.jpg

luftluuver
06-04-2006, 07:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
apart from an advanced Japanese bomber based on Me 262, the Gekko jet fighter -a straight wing copy of 262 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kikka? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Nakajima Kikka was very loosely based on the 262. The Kikka was also much smaller than the 262. It was the Nakajima Ki-201 Karyu which closely resembled the 262.

MrOblongo
06-04-2006, 08:26 PM
It actually flew with the name Pulqui II for the Argentinian Air Force... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
06-04-2006, 10:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrOblongo:
It actually flew with the name Pulqui II for the Argentinian Air Force... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This has been discussed in great detail recently. Kurt Tank was employed by the Argentine Government to design a jet fighter. He took the Ta-183 design, and altered it and the result was the Pulqui II. The Pulqui II is NOT the Ta-183, but it's similar.

ElAurens
06-05-2006, 05:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrOblongo:
It actually flew with the name Pulqui II for the Argentinian Air Force... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And flew terribly I might add.

Tank and the FW design team were out of their depth in the trans-sonic region.

Be sure.

Bo_Nidle
06-06-2006, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Well, the model proves it flys at very low speed.

I'd like to see it in the trans-sonic region...

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And it looks nothing like a Mig. Where do you guys come up with this stuff anyway?

Wishful thinking because your team lost?

Luftenvy?

http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/15/MiG-15.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was refering to the sweep angle of the wings and general tail design. I used the word "resemblance" as there are similarities in the layout I was not saying it was "The same as".

My point being did the German designs influence the Russian, American (and I am NOT refering to the Northrop Flying Wings, I know they were NOT Horton influenced- before we go off at a tangent!!)and British designers of the late 40's early 50's? The British Vampire is very similar to another drawing board design:the Fw "Flitzer" http://www.luft46.com/fw/3bfflitz.jpg

And look at the planform of the Ta183 and I defy you to deny any resemblance to the Mig15:
http://www.luft46.com/ghart/gh183-5.jpg
http://www.beuliland.com/html/albumes/ursspostwar/mig%2015/images/senyanj%20J2%20China2_gif.jpg

A lot of the websites about the aircraft refer to the Mig15 design team using captured German tecnology during its development. Just to be clear-I am NOT saying the Mig is a direct copy but the influence of the Ta183 is plain to see.
As is the influence of this aircraft:
http://www.luft46.com/ksart/ksstl-1.jpg

As we all know the Allies were very keen to grab up German scientists at the end of the war and a look at the many and varied drawing board designs shows the influence on post war aviation these imaginative designs played.

luftluuver
06-07-2006, 03:28 AM
Tell me Bo how the Vampire was influenced by the Fw a/c. The Vampire design began in May 1942 while the Flitzer was a Feb 1944 design.

NagaSadow84
06-07-2006, 03:55 AM
Actually the so called €Flitzer€ is based on similar older projects and its lineage goes back to around 1942/43.

luftluuver
06-07-2006, 04:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NagaSadow84:
Actually the so called €Flitzer€ is based on similar older projects and its lineage goes back to around 1942/43. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The Project Fw P IV Flitzer was a Dec 1943 design. The 3 view is of the Project P VI design not the project VII which was a turboprop (He S 021) design of July 1944.

Bo_Nidle
06-07-2006, 12:30 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif JEEZ! I am NOT saying that the Vampire or the Mig15 were German designs!!

What I AM saying is that there is a strong resemblance between certain German designs that never flew and the post war jets that did. The obvious inference being that the design teams used technology and research captured at the end of WW2 ( an opinion that a little research into the design of the Mig prototype confirmed)as they also did with missile technology.I do not think Project "Paperclip" was confined to the well known use of German scientists in the Space program.

I actually have only a passing interest in Luftwaffe 46 designs and regard them as more of a curiosity than anything else.

luftluuver
06-07-2006, 12:56 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif JEEZ!!! All I am saying is the Vampire was not a post WW2 a/c and was not influenced in any way by the Fw design.

jeroen_R90S
06-07-2006, 02:33 PM
JEEZ! I saw a Vampire at La Ferté Alais last weekend and can confim it actually flies and quite good, judging from the display! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif