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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 11:40 PM
I was flying a G-6 in a 1943 offline campaign and had the misforture of running into a Hurricane of some type.
The thing gave me one burst ( I think .303s ) and my G-6
lost all three control cables!!! I was far south of the
front and was heading south, when I lost total control
of the plane. At least I thought all control was lost.
I was able to get the plane turned around, headed north and
also able to control my altitude. How did I do it??? Well,
I noticed during high power, the plane would yaw to the
left from the high torque and actually seemed to yaw a hair
to the right when I cut the throttle to zero or low throttle. I also could control pitch somewhat by judiciously
flapping the flaps up and down constantly. I was able to get well past the front and bailed in my own territory at 3,000 meters. But what I want to know is why there are soooooo many cable hits in FB when it's actually improbable ( IMHO ) to get even one hit, let alone all three cable sets hit. The cables for the elevator and rudder would be close and run along the fuselage of course. But the aileron
cables would go from below the cockpit into the wings.
I have watched guys at my local airport work on planes and have seen how relatively small those cables are, at least in a modern GA aircraft. I figure that maybe the cables in fighters could have been a hair beefier, still not a lot bigger though. But it still seems unlikely to get all three hit. I would guess to get one set cut by cannon or MG would be a one in 200 or 300 hundred chance. To get 2 cut would be even less likely. But to get all three destroyed seems like it would be one chance in hundreds of thousands. My opinion is it happens more than it should in FB. I'd like to see it happen less. No whining here, just want others opinions on this. What do you think???


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Message Edited on 09/30/03 04:13AM by mortoma

Message Edited on 09/30/0304:15PM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 11:40 PM
I was flying a G-6 in a 1943 offline campaign and had the misforture of running into a Hurricane of some type.
The thing gave me one burst ( I think .303s ) and my G-6
lost all three control cables!!! I was far south of the
front and was heading south, when I lost total control
of the plane. At least I thought all control was lost.
I was able to get the plane turned around, headed north and
also able to control my altitude. How did I do it??? Well,
I noticed during high power, the plane would yaw to the
left from the high torque and actually seemed to yaw a hair
to the right when I cut the throttle to zero or low throttle. I also could control pitch somewhat by judiciously
flapping the flaps up and down constantly. I was able to get well past the front and bailed in my own territory at 3,000 meters. But what I want to know is why there are soooooo many cable hits in FB when it's actually improbable ( IMHO ) to get even one hit, let alone all three cable sets hit. The cables for the elevator and rudder would be close and run along the fuselage of course. But the aileron
cables would go from below the cockpit into the wings.
I have watched guys at my local airport work on planes and have seen how relatively small those cables are, at least in a modern GA aircraft. I figure that maybe the cables in fighters could have been a hair beefier, still not a lot bigger though. But it still seems unlikely to get all three hit. I would guess to get one set cut by cannon or MG would be a one in 200 or 300 hundred chance. To get 2 cut would be even less likely. But to get all three destroyed seems like it would be one chance in hundreds of thousands. My opinion is it happens more than it should in FB. I'd like to see it happen less. No whining here, just want others opinions on this. What do you think???


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Message Edited on 09/30/03 04:13AM by mortoma

Message Edited on 09/30/0304:15PM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:08 AM
It used to be a lot more common, but yes, I think that all 3 happening at once is a bit weird. Although those Hurris spray a ton of ammo!

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:12 AM
Spray a ton of ammo that is like BBs.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:15 AM
Still...if it was 12 .303's he hit you with there is a small chance in the realm of possibility that he did kill all three control cables.

Could have also been a burst from the cannons but the Hispano's are more likely to sever the tail section or a wing.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:18 AM
I little gremlin could be inside his tail section cutting chords. And the Hurri could of shot out your ailerons.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:07 AM
mortoma wrote:
I was able to get the plane turned around, headed north and
also able to control my altitude.



You did not lose all sets of control cables then. Sounds like ailerons to me. If you got hit by a MkIIC Hurricane, then you were pounded by 4 x 20mm cannon with who knows how many hits. Lucky your fuse didn't get sawed in 2.



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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:11 AM
Yeah the Mk2 is a bad mofo. I was on Greatergreen earlier as Einreich, and flew one for the first time. Followed a 109 vertical and unleashed a short burst.
Instantly took out all of his controls and he burst into flames.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 05:11 AM
mortoma wrote:
I was able to get the plane turned around, headed north and
also able to control my altitude.



You did not lose all sets of control cables then. Sounds like ailerons to me. If you got hit by a MkIIC Hurricane, then you were pounded by 4 x 20mm cannon with who knows how many hits. Lucky your fuse didn't get sawed in 2.



Huh?? What the?? So I'm lying about having none of my axes??
All I know dude is there was ZERO response from my joystick or rudder pedals. I don't care if you believe me or not, but I did save the track. It was very easy really, once I experimented with the throttle in the G-6. Try it yourself, it should be easy to duplicate. Put yourself in a QMB in a G-6 alone, at about 3,000 meters starting and see if you can't get it turned around going the opposite direction by use of throttle alone, don't touch anything else.
Anyway, if I had any ailerons at all I'd know it since there would have been some response. For one thing, I can fly and LAND with any one of the axis gone. Very easy to fly and with no rudder, although once on the ground you'll have no control to taxi. Also very easy to fly home and land with
no ailerons, just rudder and elevator. I've done that many times. I have crash landed back at base two times with no elevator. I got the planes on the runway but bounced badly both times and nosed over. But both times "survived" it.
I'm a private pilot and the extra skill that comes with that shows in my FB flying.

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Message Edited on 09/30/0304:15AM by mortoma

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 08:47 AM
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- had the misforture of running into a Hurricane of....


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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 09:45 AM
It's more than actually 3 cables, you would have 2 cables per control surface exept for elevator. Plus more for redundency
Also some aircraft had rods instead of cables or both systems.
Truth is though, the cables going to the tail section run roughly parralel to the fuselage making them harder to hit (from 6 o'clock), so it is a tad unrealistic in the game.
We have to live with it.
Last night, online in a 109 G6 (prone to control cable failure), I got shot to hell, engine smoking, big holes in fuselage, but managed to rtb and land.
This to say that I don't think the 109 is such a paper aircraft in FB 1.11 if you're lucky...

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 05:17 PM
Ok, ok, I changed it to 1943 for God's sake.


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