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Ziolupone
04-14-2010, 06:55 AM
Anyone noticed the Perseo statue in Florence? Just in front of Palazzo Vecchio? Well, if the game is set in 1400, how's possible that Benvenuto Cellini Perseo statue is present in Florence considering that it was commissioned in 1554?

Ziolupone
04-14-2010, 06:55 AM
Anyone noticed the Perseo statue in Florence? Just in front of Palazzo Vecchio? Well, if the game is set in 1400, how's possible that Benvenuto Cellini Perseo statue is present in Florence considering that it was commissioned in 1554?

Astrotoy7
04-14-2010, 11:57 PM
lolz..I noticed!!

The game is set in 1476-1496 btw (counting add-ons).

That was the only detail that was majorly amiss..(excusing the fact that you can buy all those paintings for your own place when they were private commissions - like the Birth of Venus etc)

Things that were correct that I liked:
*Donatello's David in the Palazzo De Medici
*Sistine Chapel ceiling is blank
*NO Michelangelo's David

Ive just finished an article on the History of AC2, feel free to have a look (http://threepipeproblem.blogspot.com/2010/04/medici-assassin-in-digital-renaissance.html) if you're into that type of thing.

Six_Gun
04-15-2010, 12:32 AM
Honestly guys, I would be quite surprised if there's very many chronological flaws like that you could find, and it may have even been more of a thing of creative developing just to add more beauty to the map, than an error. Quite frankly I was overwhelmed by the intense amount of detail to the maps. The scale and variety of what's included in the game environment wise is truly immense in scope, and beautiful in production.

Murcuseo
04-15-2010, 01:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astrotoy7:
lolz..I noticed!!

The game is set in 1476-1496 btw (counting add-ons).

That was the only detail that was majorly amiss..(excusing the fact that you can buy all those paintings for your own place when they were private commissions - like the Birth of Venus etc)

Things that were correct that I liked:
*Donatello's David in the Palazzo De Medici
*Sistine Chapel ceiling is blank
*NO Michelangelo's David

Ive just finished an article on the History of AC2, feel free to have a look (http://threepipeproblem.blogspot.com/2010/04/medici-assassin-in-digital-renaissance.html) if you're into that type of thing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theres a lot of useful information in that article, I was meant to be flying out to Hungary this morning but my flights been cancelled... seeing as theres a giant volcanic ash cloud floating over the UK!

I think i'll take some time and read my way through it all properly lol

AMuppetMatt
04-15-2010, 04:37 AM
I see no giant volcanic ash cloud, and I live in the UK http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Either that or I'm too far south :/

Murcuseo
04-15-2010, 05:16 AM
I live in Scotland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Astrotoy7
04-15-2010, 09:08 AM
@SixGun- of course there are very many inconsistencies if you wanted to be nitpicky. Ubi didnt drag out maps from the late 1400s and recreate them inch perfect!

OP and I were moreso referring to major artistic landmarks.

I'm trying to find out who the historical advisors on the game were and hopefully get an interview as a follow up to my article.

Hopefully it will have them listed in game credits.

A7

AMuppetMatt
04-15-2010, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
I live in Scotland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

El_Sjietah
04-15-2010, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astrotoy7:
@SixGun- of course there are very many inconsistencies if you wanted to be nitpicky. Ubi didnt drag out maps from the late 1400s and recreate them inch perfect!

OP and I were moreso referring to major artistic landmarks.

I'm trying to find out who the historical advisors on the game were and hopefully get an interview as a follow up to my article.

Hopefully it will have them listed in game credits.

A7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's weird that they did think about the Sistine Chapel's ceiling and St. Peter's Dome, but overlooked the statue.

Murcuseo
04-15-2010, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
I live in Scotland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao why does everyone say that when I tell them I live in Scotland... its not that bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

AMuppetMatt
04-15-2010, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
I live in Scotland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao why does everyone say that when I tell them I live in Scotland... its not that bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

(un)fair stereotyping I'm guessing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
As someone from Cambridge I have nothing against you. I'm over 200 miles away, I'm in the 'safety' zone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Nah, I kid, nothing against you or the country, honest.
(Actually come to think of it you want independence don't you? Get it, QUICK, or the Tories will eat you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

Murcuseo
04-15-2010, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:
I live in Scotland http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lmao why does everyone say that when I tell them I live in Scotland... its not that bad http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

(un)fair stereotyping I'm guessing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
As someone from Cambridge I have nothing against you. I'm over 200 miles away, I'm in the 'safety' zone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Nah, I kid, nothing against you or the country, honest.
(Actually come to think of it you want independence don't you? Get it, QUICK, or the Tories will eat you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Christ, the SNP are just as bad... I say if we do become independent we should make Billy Connolly King and be done with it.

Also cut you buggers out the loop with North Sea Oil... that would be nice muahuahuaha


Oh no, religion and politics in one day... better watch my head doesn't explode....

AMuppetMatt
04-15-2010, 09:59 AM
I know. Good ol' politics.

If the Monster Raving Looney Party get voted in, at least then it would be more... colourful?

JohnConnor2012
04-15-2010, 01:38 PM
The ash is in the upper atmosphere, so not surprised you notice nothing more than a fabulous sunset.

In terms of anomolies, surprised Machiavelli gets such a friendly portrayal when he wrote 'The Prince' for none other than Rodrigo Borgio! Not that the latter was grateful - he preferred a pair of hunting dogs presented to him next by a nobler courtier.

El_Sjietah
04-15-2010, 02:46 PM
Didn't he write The Prince for Medici?

Or was that Discorsi?

Astrotoy7
04-15-2010, 03:44 PM
The Prince has a very lengthy dedication to Lorenzo de Medici at its start. Ive quoted a snippet in my article but link to the whole text at Project Gutenberg. Those with ITunes can also go to iTunesU and download a free audiobook version that is currently available from Lit2Go.

I could tell you what alot of Italian writers thought about The Borgias of Spain, but that would ruin the fun of reading it for yourself. Chris Hibberts Book 'The Borgias and Their Enemies' is a great place to start.

Edit - the stigma attached to Scotland started with the Romans, even as far back as Claudius reign, let alone Hadrian and his wall!

My missus is a fiery Scot, so that stigma obviously doesn't mean much to me. The only problem I had with Scotland was the weather... too cold for my mediterranean blood!

A7

Murcuseo
04-15-2010, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astrotoy7:
The Prince has a very lengthy dedication to Lorenzo de Medici at its start. Ive quoted a snippet in my article but link to the whole text at Project Gutenberg. Those with ITunes can also go to iTunesU and download a free audiobook version that is currently available from Lit2Go.

I could tell you what alot of Italian writers thought about The Borgias of Spain, but that would ruin the fun of reading it for yourself. Chris Hibberts Book 'The Borgias and Their Enemies' is a great place to start.

Edit - the stigma attached to Scotland started with the Romans, even as far back as Claudius reign, let alone Hadrian and his wall!

My missus is a fiery Scot, so that stigma obviously doesn't mean much to me. The only problem I had with Scotland was the weather... too cold for my mediterranean blood!

A7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Romans were just ****ed off cause they couldn't conquer us, their boy loving culture was far to feminised to handle our barbaric nature... or were the Greeks the boy lovers, I forget lol

Its been like the south of Spain here for the last 3 days, even after the damn ash cloud its been gorgeous... Scotland ain't so bad if you get lucky with the weather... and of course avoid public transport http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Astrotoy7
04-15-2010, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:

The Romans were just ****ed off cause they couldn't conquer us, their boy loving culture was far to feminised to handle our barbaric nature... or were the Greeks the boy lovers, I forget lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whilst (Pre-Christian) Roman attitudes to Male Male physical relationships were more lax than what is acceptable today in an institutional sense(Church, Military etc), it was the Greeks, specifically the Athenians who seemed to acquire a reputation for the practise of Pederasty.

I don't flinch at the idea of a couple of butch soldiers addressing their urges in a Spartan manner, but reading about the Pederast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty) practises of the ancient world leaves you feeling a bit sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

* * *

As for the Romans managing the Scots, the difficulty of conquering was not the whole issue - the difficulty in maintaining order was another major factor, but both of these were overshadowed by the fact that the resources to be gained by subjugating that population/land mass were not terribly alluring. If accessible gold/lead/silver dotted Scotland, Rome would have thrown more at it.

Instead, Hadrian decided that it was more useful building a wall to keep those whacky Caledonians out. In doing so, he lay the seeds of discord and suspicion between groups of people on either side of Wall - no better evidenced in modern times than watching an England v Scotland match, or Celtic vs Rangers to a lesser extent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A7

Murcuseo
04-16-2010, 02:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Astrotoy7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:

The Romans were just ****ed off cause they couldn't conquer us, their boy loving culture was far to feminised to handle our barbaric nature... or were the Greeks the boy lovers, I forget lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whilst (Pre-Christian) Roman attitudes to Male Male physical relationships were more lax than what is acceptable today in an institutional sense(Church, Military etc), it was the Greeks, specifically the Athenians who seemed to acquire a reputation for the practise of Pederasty.

I don't flinch at the idea of a couple of butch soldiers addressing their urges in a Spartan manner, but reading about the Pederast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty) practises of the ancient world leaves you feeling a bit sick http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

* * *

As for the Romans managing the Scots, the difficulty of conquering was not the whole issue - the difficulty in maintaining order was another major factor, but both of these were overshadowed by the fact that the resources to be gained by subjugating that population/land mass were not terribly alluring. If accessible gold/lead/silver dotted Scotland, Rome would have thrown more at it.

Instead, Hadrian decided that it was more useful building a wall to keep those whacky Caledonians out. In doing so, he lay the seeds of discord and suspicion between groups of people on either side of Wall - no better evidenced in modern times than watching an England v Scotland match, or Celtic vs Rangers to a lesser extent http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A7 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool, you're obviously a bit of an historian... you know more about certain parts of my country than I do lol

So, why exactly did they decide to put so much of there resources into conquering England... what did England have that Scotland didn't?

I'm actually quite miffed, its the modern day equivelent of putting a padlock on your neighbours gate so they can't run through your garden lol

All jokes aside, sectarianism in all forms has always bored the crap out of me so I don't take part... especially when it comes to football. One of the sports I hate most in this world, besides cricket and speed walking of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

AMuppetMatt
04-16-2010, 04:50 AM
I'll give a shot at answering that.

Round where I live in Cambridgeshire and Norfolk in the fens (well, I'm just south of the fens, so I'm not TECHNICALLY an inbred... 5 miles further north and I would be) is some of the best, if not the best farmland in the world. The Romans wanted the East Anglian area of England especially, which is why they pumped so many resources into the area. After that, I'm guessing the hills, snow and rain of Scotland didn't seem a very attractive idea now they had the best arable land in their Empire http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

El_Sjietah
04-16-2010, 05:15 AM
They had their food supply covered when they conquered Egypt.

The main reason for the first invasion was Caesar's grudge against the Britons for allegedly aiding the Gauls when he was happily conquering away. Every invasion or expansion after that is simply a result of Roman pride. They didn't like losing ground.

Astrotoy7
04-16-2010, 06:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Robson19822009:

Cool, you're obviously a bit of an historian... you know more about certain parts of my country than I do lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My degree/day job is in an applied Science(Im actually a physio), but I have 6 years of Art History and 2 years on the Renaissance specifically (with a focus on Florence and Venice). It's hard to study the Renaissance without having to do the basics of Greece and Rome first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So, why exactly did they decide to put so much of there resources into conquering England... what did England have that Scotland didn't? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

farmland(as Matt has mentioned), silver and lead were the big three.. neither of which Scotland have as much of a claim to.

The Romans ego got the better of them on occasions, such as Varus Legions getting obliterated in the Battle of The Teutoborg in 9 AD, and the ongoing gripes with the Parthians over the Lost Eagles of Crassus.

As much as I love the Scots, one thing I do find amusing is the naming of the lovely New Caledonia. I've been there - and I can confirm it is NOTHING like Scotland at all! Those British Imperial Sea Captains were a whacky bunch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

A7