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Philipscdrw
10-18-2006, 03:10 PM
I'd really like to see an NTRK of effective gunnery in the P-47. I was flying against Me 210s yesterday, and even though they are huge and were sitting in approx. the convergence spot, I couldn't really score a strong series of hits on them.

So, if you're proud of your P-47 gunnery, I'd love to see it...

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Philipscdrw
10-18-2006, 03:10 PM
I'd really like to see an NTRK of effective gunnery in the P-47. I was flying against Me 210s yesterday, and even though they are huge and were sitting in approx. the convergence spot, I couldn't really score a strong series of hits on them.

So, if you're proud of your P-47 gunnery, I'd love to see it...

(Don't come here to complain for or against the .50cal guns, gun yaw, pro- or anti-US bias or anything like that - you'll be politely ignored!)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slappedsilly
10-18-2006, 03:51 PM
I'm no expert, but I have experimented with the p47 online some. I do best with either conv set at 150 or 320. I always opt for extra ammo and at 320 I let them have it in the first pass. I start firing far out and fire until they pass (It will shoot for ever and a day with extra ammo). I am always very conservative with ammo online, but not with the p47. When set at 150, it is devestating, but you run the risk of collision when in a hard dive. Any conv in between is useless to me. Its a hard plane to fly, and I am guilty of getting suckered into a turn. When I do that I'm done. I don't have any ntrks, but I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

p1ngu666
10-18-2006, 04:02 PM
set 2 different convergances, then setup a qmb with 4xb17, 4x a twin bomber

practise like that then move onto fighter targets.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KaleunFreddie
10-18-2006, 04:12 PM
Do you have your track available ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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StellarRat
10-18-2006, 07:17 PM
Against bombers always aim for one wing and stick with it. If you damage it enough the target will become uncontrollable and go in. And the more hits on the same engine the great chance it will catch fire. Raking the whole plane is far less effective.

Hoarmurath
10-18-2006, 08:11 PM
I'm definitely not a P-47 expert...

However, i found the Me-210 catch fire rather easily.

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AFJ_Viper
10-19-2006, 04:55 AM
I always try to fly the P-47D as a rule, here is the convergance you need in iL2 when flying the P-47D -

MG: 300M
Canon: 350M

This gives you a wider spread of fire, a single burst with this convergance will pop any fighter instantly but this doesnt mean 100% of the time (you still need a good aim)

Use this convergance and you should have instant success, i arnet at home so i cant send you a track right now but give it a go<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Brain32
10-19-2006, 05:15 AM
Dissregard the name of the track please http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
http://www.esnips.com/doc/4ff24d07-986f-4af5-ac8f-f511e...rmodelled_50cal.ntrk (http://www.esnips.com/doc/4ff24d07-986f-4af5-ac8f-f511e0a1e272/undermodelled_50cal.ntrk)

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Diablo310th
10-19-2006, 05:50 AM
I'm using a convergence of 250 cannon and 200 MG's right now. Start firing early and continue thru your target. Just like was mentioned earlier...keep your aim on one wing or the other.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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TgD Thunderbolt56
10-19-2006, 08:24 AM
400m all the time. It's hard to say the best way to hit with the 50's at typical high-deflection angles other than practice, record, watch the tracks and practice some more until you're satisfied.

Sounds simplistic, yes, but that's the most effective way. There isn't any secret.


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Monguse
10-19-2006, 04:01 PM
My convergance is set prior to the mission I'm about to launch.

For ground attack I set anywhere from 175 to 250.
For air to air I set a 25 difference. If I intend to get close 175/200 is good otherwise I extend it a bit.

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SithSpeeder
10-19-2006, 07:37 PM
Not a 47 expert, but my gunnery is improving and the 47D is becoming my fave ride (it's soooooooo stable...especially coming from a Stang).

I just did some QMBs against a pair of 210s (those have wicked rear guns!--totally moveable) and found that opening up at about 210m worked well, all the way up to about 110m (I tend to run into things if I get much closer). My convergence is set to 225m and 200m.

Gunnery is key. If online, use Sturmolog to see what your hit percentage is. Offline, turn on Arcade to see where your bullets hit.

Hope that helps.

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fordfan25
10-19-2006, 07:49 PM
i use 300 on both. i like to be able to shoot at longer ranges and find 200 and bellow just does not work for me.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
10-20-2006, 02:08 AM
I'm most comfortable with 250 on both cannon and MG.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Cheers!!

scaredycat1
10-20-2006, 03:02 AM
"I'm using a convergence of 250 cannon and 200 MG's right now. Start firing early and continue thru your target. Just like was mentioned earlier...keep your aim on one wing or the other."


"I always try to fly the P-47D as a rule, here is the convergance you need in iL2 when flying the P-47D -

MG: 300M
Canon: 350M

This gives you a wider spread of fire, a single burst with this convergance will pop any fighter instantly but this doesnt mean 100% of the time (you still need a good aim)"



Does having a cannon setting different from mg make a difference on mg only ac?

WOLFMondo
10-20-2006, 03:53 AM
The difference is simply the convergence. Ignore the MG/cannon thing with some aircraft, you have 5 fire choices, weapons 1, 2, 3, 4 and 1+2. On the P38 one will fire the MG's and one the Cannon (like the Spitfire and BF109 for instance) but on other planes it just splits up the guns, like on the FW190A's, one fires some guns while the other fires some others. Weapon 1+2 will alway fire all your gun unless you manually turn your gun pods off.

When you fire with weapons 1+2, weapon no.1 will converge at one point and weapon no.2 at another. Since the P47's outer guns are weapon no.2 you can choose a different covergence for each, if you set 1 to 300 and 2 to 350 when you fire Weapon 1+2 you get a larger spread although you will never get all 8 guns hitting the same point. While diluting your potential damage of getting all 8 guns to hit at the same point, your raising tour chance to hit and and also giving you the changce of converging 4 guns and then 4 guns again if you get sustained fire on a plane over a period of time as you pass.

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Cheers!!

scaredycat1
10-20-2006, 04:53 AM
Thanx for the explanation WOLFMondo. I had no idea you could do that!
Im off to experiment with it, thanks again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

RCAF_Irish_403
10-20-2006, 05:03 AM
first set of MG's set at 200m
Second set of MG's set at 300m

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Diablo310th
10-20-2006, 06:22 AM
Mondo...that was actually a very good explanation. true by creating a shotgun effect you scatter your rounds but according to Luftie pilots all that is needed is "1" .50 cal to disable any Blue plane so it doesn't matter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Bo_Nidle
10-20-2006, 07:16 AM
I fly the P-47 most of the time (offline-never ventured online much).

I have my guns set up for 250m. I have found that if you get the target within the zone of convergence then they are very effective. They will take the wing off a 109 without much problem.However over that zone and they tend to "peck" rather than "rip".

Get suckered into "low and slow" in the Jug and you invariably end up in trouble. Use speed and altitude at all times.

One thing that has always bugged me about the ingame P-47 is the fact that you need two buttons to fire the guns simultaneously. Anyone know if it was the same on the real thing as I can find no reference to this anywhere?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">



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SithSpeeder
10-20-2006, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:
One thing that has always bugged me about the ingame P-47 is the fact that you need two buttons to fire the guns simultaneously. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Bo...do you understand that if you map your fire/trigger button to be Weapons1+2, it will fire all guns essentially with one button push?

For example, on my Cyborg 3D Gold or my X-45, I map the trigger button to Weapons1+2. When flying a cannon and mg plane (like a spit), I use the joystick Shift + Trigger to map to Weapons 1. So on honing in on a target, I hold my shift button down to range with the machine guns, then let go of the shift button once getting hits so that the cannons and mgs do the work together.

When flying the P-47D with extra ammo, I don't even bother with the Shift-Trigger thing, though.

Now with the X-52 with a 2-stage trigger, pulling it to the first "click" sets off Weapon 1 (machine guns) and pulling to the second click sets off Weapon 1+2 (all guns including cannon). This is definitely the preferred setup for me. (except the X-52 is in the shop right now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

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WOLFMondo
10-20-2006, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bo_Nidle:


One thing that has always bugged me about the ingame P-47 is the fact that you need two buttons to fire the guns simultaneously. Anyone know if it was the same on the real thing as I can find no reference to this anywhere? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can assign a button to fire weapon 1&2 together. By default I have my trigger in my CH Fighter stick as 1+2 and then one of the thumb buttons as 1, 2, 3 and 4 incase I want to just fire one set or the other.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Cheers!!

Bo_Nidle
10-21-2006, 05:38 PM
D'oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

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