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TheBandit_76
12-06-2006, 08:18 PM
Serious question folks, Mustang trashers please just ignore. I am firmly in the camp that the IL2 P51D simply does not live up to what it could really do back in the day.

So what think you folks? Will the supposed gun-wobble fix and new stick setting treatment be the key for the Mustang to finally getting a fair shake in the only WW2 sim game in town?

Please don't troll this thread, I am not fishing.


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TheBandit_76
12-06-2006, 08:18 PM
Serious question folks, Mustang trashers please just ignore. I am firmly in the camp that the IL2 P51D simply does not live up to what it could really do back in the day.

So what think you folks? Will the supposed gun-wobble fix and new stick setting treatment be the key for the Mustang to finally getting a fair shake in the only WW2 sim game in town?

Please don't troll this thread, I am not fishing.


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VW-IceFire
12-06-2006, 08:36 PM
Gun wobble was supposed to be fixed on the aircraft affected. Not sure if the P-51D was a part of that. I think only the P-51D-20 wobbles during firing. The D-5 is more stable in that respect.

All I can hope for is that and a little more stall warning and I'll be pleased with the plane.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-06-2006, 08:36 PM
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12-06-2006, 08:40 PM
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BillyTheKid_22
12-06-2006, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Serious question folks, Mustang trashers please just ignore. I am firmly in the camp that the IL2 P51D simply does not live up to what it could really do back in the day.

So what think you folks? Will the supposed gun-wobble fix and new stick setting treatment be the key for the Mustang to finally getting a fair shake in the only WW2 sim game in town?

Please don't troll this thread, I am not fishing.


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Bearcat99
12-06-2006, 09:23 PM
The wobble is still there on the cats as well. I hope so. Although the Mustang is a total dog anymore.. I think the stick adjustments will do a lot to fix some of the stalling issues.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-06-2006, 09:27 PM
The D-20 should be running at late war boost levels. This would help a lot.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2006, 10:32 PM
I have a question though...what is it that all you members of "the Mustang is sooo porked" club think is wrong with it?

The fact that it cant turn? The fact that it goes down with a single shot? What?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
12-06-2006, 10:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheBandit_76:
Serious question folks, Mustang trashers please just ignore. I am firmly in the camp that the IL2 P51D simply does not live up to what it could really do back in the day.

So what think you folks? Will the supposed gun-wobble fix and new stick setting treatment be the key for the Mustang to finally getting a fair shake in the only WW2 sim game in town?

Please don't troll this thread, I am not fishing.


http://membres.lycos.fr/gajim/objetgraphique/p51d.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>no.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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fordfan25
12-06-2006, 10:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
I have a question though...what is it that all you members of "the Mustang is sooo porked" club think is wrong with it?

The fact that it cant turn? The fact that it goes down with a single shot? What? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yes<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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XyZspineZyX
12-06-2006, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
I have a question though...what is it that all you members of "the Mustang is sooo porked" club think is wrong with it?

The fact that it cant turn? The fact that it goes down with a single shot? What? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I think that not being able to turn is kind of normal on a plane that has such a high wing loading. And on the single shot issue, its not like its a P-47.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-06-2006, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
I have a question though...what is it that all you members of "the Mustang is sooo porked" club think is wrong with it?

The fact that it cant turn? The fact that it goes down with a single shot? What? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I think that not being able to turn is kind of normal on a plane that has such a high wing loading. And on the single shot issue, its not like its a P-47. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>in this game even a p47 is not a p-47<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rjel
12-06-2006, 11:52 PM
I'd be happy if the damned thing didn't want to swap ends so easily. If only they'd set it up so the fuselage tank burned off first to make the CG right, we'd be set.

As far as the flamers staying out of this thread, good luck. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-07-2006, 12:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
I have a question though...what is it that all you members of "the Mustang is sooo porked" club think is wrong with it?

The fact that it cant turn? The fact that it goes down with a single shot? What? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>What needs fixing? The fact that in this game it can't turn, goes down with a single shot, willingly sheds it wings and can't retain energy worth a darn are real assets to a military fighter aircraft. Just ask any programmer.

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Friendly_flyer
12-07-2006, 01:00 AM
Now, now, be nice! We need to know exactly what the Mustang-fans think is wrong in order to evaluate it and suggest a fix. The only thing specifically stated so far is a wobbling in the A-20 model when firing guns, and that the tail-tanks do not empty first when using fuel (i.e. isn't empty when taking 50% fuel). The latter may be due to a limitation of the game engine. Does anyone know the code well enough to know if it is fixable?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
12-07-2006, 01:03 AM
So long as whiners refuse to make specific performance claims, do controlled testing, and compare to applicable reference, this thread has no where to go -but- a flame war.

So who's going to give up some actual sustained turn numbers for the RL P-51, hm? Or will this be another 20 page thread about how Chuck Yeager outturns P.11s.

Klemm.co
12-07-2006, 01:15 AM
I've got 46 yesterday and the planes all feel a lot more smooth and stable. After i tried out all the new planes, i thought of how bad the handling of the P-51 was supposed to be. So i hopped in and shot some bogeys down.
Awsome feeling of flight and you really, REALLY got to be hamfisted to stall the thing.
You can even turnfight when you're flying carefully.

Xiolablu3
12-07-2006, 01:24 AM
Seriously, I dont think any correctly modelled P51 will be seen as 'good enough' by people who have watched lots of documentries etc.

The plane has built up such a myth, that unrealistic expectations are rife considering its specs/engine.

It couldnt turn or climb like a BF109 or a Spitfire, and put up against 190D9's and 109K4's from 1945, an early 1944 P51 is going to be lacking in speed and climb (truth-its actually going to be lacking in climb against most contemporary planes too). This is the situation in game.

I do believe the wing shedding should be fixed somehow, although this is a result of the plane picking up so much speed, so fast in a dive.
The wobble could also be a factor of discussion, although reports state the P51 had stability issues.

In reality, the P51 should be comparable to a contemporary FW190 in turn, climb, dive and speed, but with far less powerful guns and probably a bit less stable.

Isnt that what we have (minues the wing shedding, which as I said, should be sorted)

I know that anyone in this thread who doesnt fall into line with 'The P51 as a Superplane' will be called a Mustang trasher http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JG52Karaya-X
12-07-2006, 01:28 AM
Yes well the supposedly bad handling of the P51 just isnt there for me... it doesnt have torque roll as about 90% of all the other planes experience, it recovers very fast all by itself from a stall, just let the stick go and turning isnt that difficult if you just pay attention to when the wingtip vortices start to appear.

About the wobble while firing: It doesnt suffer from asymmetric recoil like some of the USN crates and the little bit of shaking while firing isnt more than a visual effect and doesnt really affect the aiming.

About general stability "problems": No plane is exactly stable, simple as that (both in RL and in IL2). If you want to drive something thats perfectly stable, go and buy MS TrainSimulator http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-07-2006, 01:30 AM
I should add that the P51 gets better the higher you go, most fly around under 4000metres in this game.

I know that a lot of people I fly with love the ingame P51. It just requires more skill than most planes to fly well. A bit like a FW190 with less powerful guns.

I dont fly it anymore cos I got fed up with losing a wing on my B&Z's, but apart from that, it was good.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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