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GAU-8
04-03-2007, 11:55 PM
i remember this question asked here several years ago, but due to server side "loss" and stuff, and time.. it probably vanished into some digital nether region. so i figured id bring it up again for some of the new guys, (and myself, i forgot what a lot of it was about.

anyways, if the 262's and other new jet fighters technology wasnt discovered during WWII, what was the focusing trends that were on drawing boards, for prop fighters? how did many of them fair, when compared to other prop fighters (of course, i mean on paper, to paper), before someoned said" never mind, we have this jet thing thats working great..project canceled"

GAU-8
04-03-2007, 11:55 PM
i remember this question asked here several years ago, but due to server side "loss" and stuff, and time.. it probably vanished into some digital nether region. so i figured id bring it up again for some of the new guys, (and myself, i forgot what a lot of it was about.

anyways, if the 262's and other new jet fighters technology wasnt discovered during WWII, what was the focusing trends that were on drawing boards, for prop fighters? how did many of them fair, when compared to other prop fighters (of course, i mean on paper, to paper), before someoned said" never mind, we have this jet thing thats working great..project canceled"

Cajun76
04-04-2007, 12:03 AM
I know the US had a lot of promising fighters being shelved in 1944 because they could already see jets coming into service. XP-47J and XP-72 being prime examples of fighters that could have flying well before the war was over.

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=2272

HotelBushranger
04-04-2007, 12:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">if jets werent invented, and props continued after WWII </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd be a happy man http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

gx-warspite
04-04-2007, 01:07 AM
We'd never go supersonic, for starters.

Travel around the world would be a fair bit noisier and somewhat slower.

Monty_Thrud
04-04-2007, 01:31 AM
Long live the Prop, Jets suck ...and blow...me no likey...Jets bad, mmm-kay!

The-Pizza-Man
04-04-2007, 02:50 AM
you might have seen some ducted fans

EctoGamma
04-04-2007, 03:13 AM
You should have a look at Luftwaffa secret projects 1939-1945. Some very strange looking prop aircraft in there


http://www.amazon.com/Luftwaffe-Secret-Projects-Fighter...9-1945/dp/1857800524 (http://www.amazon.com/Luftwaffe-Secret-Projects-Fighters-1939-1945/dp/1857800524)

ImpStarDuece
04-04-2007, 04:22 AM
What you'd probably have is turbo compounded traditional inline and radial engines, such as the V-1710-E22 (2,320 hp military rating, 3,090 hp WEP rating) and R-3350 (3,500 hp WEP).

Or, alternatively you can try to turbo compound a diesel, Wankel rotary or a Deltic engine, for massive increases in thermal efficiency and reductions in specific excess fuel consumption. Caterpillar are using turbo compounded deisel engines to hit their goal of greater than 50% thermal efficency from their engines. Compared that to about 24-26% thermal efficiency of a WW2 petrol aero engine.

Badsight-
04-04-2007, 04:34 AM
if no jets flew during the 40's ?

we would have gotten to see how good the F5U could have been . . .

mynameisroland
04-04-2007, 04:51 AM
We would have this beauty, Sabre VII 3050 HP, 485 mph and over 5000ft a min roc.


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/mynameisroland/TempestVII.jpg

BSS_CUDA
04-04-2007, 06:32 AM
the flying Flapjack

Performance:
Range: 910 miles
Max Speed: 504 mph at 20,000 ft.
Climb: 3000 ft/min at sea level
Ceiling: n/a

Type: Fighter
Crew: 1, Pilot
Armament: six .50 cal machine guns
or four 20mm cannon
or two 1000-lb. bombs

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/flapjack2.jpg

Zonama
04-04-2007, 07:13 AM
This might've seen service:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Martin-Baker_M.B.5_prototype.jpg

R_Target
04-04-2007, 02:48 PM
Sea Fury. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/SeaFury_AAOY_RCN_inflight.jpg

PBNA-Boosher
04-04-2007, 02:50 PM
The first jet was invented and used in an airplane in 1910.

http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/AERO/coanda.htm

Furthermore, the jet was merely a more powerful turbo-supercharger that was in quite a few WW2 era planes.

WWSpinDry
04-04-2007, 03:10 PM
Piper Enforcer! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer

woofiedog
04-04-2007, 11:03 PM
Republic XF-12... With a cruise speed of over 450 statute miles per hour.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/34/Republic_XF-12_Rainbow.jpg

GAU-8
04-04-2007, 11:56 PM
i like the piper enforcer! the A-10 in prop version!

Ratsack
04-05-2007, 02:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zonama:
This might've seen service:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Martin-Baker_M.B.5_prototype.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, the Martin-Baker MB5. If only...

cheers,
Ratsack

Ratsack
04-05-2007, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by woofiedog:
Republic XF-12... With a cruise speed of over 450 statute miles per hour.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Question: how does that evil-lookin' thing come with an 'XF' prefix? Evil lookin' though it is, surely it's no fighter.

Do you have more on this thing?

cheers,
Ratsack

Gumtree
04-05-2007, 03:08 AM
Correct me if I am wrong ,but I believe Australia developed a fighter that looked somewhat similar to the p-51 but blew all other piston aircraft into the weeds. It was called the CA-15 from memory.

woofiedog
04-05-2007, 03:33 AM
Ratsack... Here is a bit more info on the XF-12 Rainbow.

Link: http://www.air-and-space.com/Republic%20XF-12.htm

http://www.airbornegrafix.com/HistoricAircraft/Design/XF12_title.jpg

Vike
04-05-2007, 05:55 AM
Superb,Uber...And beyond:

Fw Fighter Project w/BMW 802 engine

Equipped with a BMW 802 <span class="ev_code_yellow">18-cylinder, twin-row radial engine</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

http://www.luft46.com/vaart/gg802-7.jpg

http://www.luft46.com/vaart/gg802-5.jpg

Here for the technical infos (http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwbmw802.html)

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

@+

Zonama
04-05-2007, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gumtree:
Correct me if I am wrong ,but I believe Australia developed a fighter that looked somewhat similar to the p-51 but blew all other piston aircraft into the weeds. It was called the CA-15 from memory. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeap http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC_CA-15)


And good find, Vike http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mynameisroland
04-05-2007, 06:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vike:
Superb,Uber...And beyond:

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet that had a great gunsight view http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif