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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:46 AM
S!

This question seems more in line with the interests of this forum!

I am just finishing a set of Pilot's Notes on the He111H2 & H6 for my Sqn. I have been cross checking with my own reference material and there appears to be a discrepancy.

Question: Did the He111 H6 have cannon mounted in the NOSE?

Certainly a major difference with the 'H6 was the forward firing cannon. But all my photos, drawings and descriptions have the cannon mounted at the front of the ventral gondala whereas FB has them in place of the standard front MGs.

I can see that it would have been a pain to create another gunner position in an aircraft which already has five, and the general concept of the 'H6 has been met in that it does have forward firing cannon, but....?

In practical terms the 'H6 is there because of the torpedo carrying capability and the forward firing cannon were there presumably for serious interference fire when on the attack run. However a bombardier would have had difficulty in doing both jobs. No room for an extra body up front - been in one and they are very 'snug'! So the gondala is the obvious place - which was used.

This is a genuine question, not another 'reality whinge' as this simulation is the tops in my eyes. It is also an observation! While we cannot have flyable aircraft (bombers like the Pe 8 and Pe2) we really need because every bit of the 'pit has to be historically accurate - it seems that the accuracy can be overlooked somewhat in exteriors, fire platforms and FMs when it suits! That is a bit sad!

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:46 AM
S!

This question seems more in line with the interests of this forum!

I am just finishing a set of Pilot's Notes on the He111H2 & H6 for my Sqn. I have been cross checking with my own reference material and there appears to be a discrepancy.

Question: Did the He111 H6 have cannon mounted in the NOSE?

Certainly a major difference with the 'H6 was the forward firing cannon. But all my photos, drawings and descriptions have the cannon mounted at the front of the ventral gondala whereas FB has them in place of the standard front MGs.

I can see that it would have been a pain to create another gunner position in an aircraft which already has five, and the general concept of the 'H6 has been met in that it does have forward firing cannon, but....?

In practical terms the 'H6 is there because of the torpedo carrying capability and the forward firing cannon were there presumably for serious interference fire when on the attack run. However a bombardier would have had difficulty in doing both jobs. No room for an extra body up front - been in one and they are very 'snug'! So the gondala is the obvious place - which was used.

This is a genuine question, not another 'reality whinge' as this simulation is the tops in my eyes. It is also an observation! While we cannot have flyable aircraft (bombers like the Pe 8 and Pe2) we really need because every bit of the 'pit has to be historically accurate - it seems that the accuracy can be overlooked somewhat in exteriors, fire platforms and FMs when it suits! That is a bit sad!

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 06:14 AM
Yes, they exist with a cannon in the nose as well.

Heres one

http://members.tripod.com/chip2500/1cec6790.gif

http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb06894.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb57471.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb11726.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb75733.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb80477.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb64472.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb59442.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb80347.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb73057.gif http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb48642.gif

Message Edited on 08/16/0311:16PM by StG77_Fennec

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 08:20 AM
Yup, I definetely see a cannon in the nose.
Guess that settles it no? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

StG77_Fennec wrote:
- Yes, they exist with a cannon in the nose as well.
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- Heres one
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- <img
- src="http://members.tripod.com/chip2500/1cec6790.g
- if">
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- http://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb06894.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb57471.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb11726.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb75733.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb80477.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb64472.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb59442.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb80347.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb73057.gifhttp://www.smiliedb.de/s/sdb48642.gif
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- Message Edited on 08/16/03 11:16PM by
- StG77_Fennec

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 08:40 AM
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Muchos Tks Fennec.

I could not get the image for some reason but am quite prepared to take your word for it.

So that does solve that one. They must have wired up the pilot for the Torp release straight from the driver's seat.

If you could email me a JPG I would appreciate it to add to my collection.

bvlac_tosg@hypermax.net.au

If you cannot then tks anyway

CAV

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:24 PM
In Manfred Griehl`s book, "German bombers over England and Russia", you can see plenty of pictures of H-6s with their MG-FF cannon mounted either in the nose or firing forward in the gondola. I guess the installation varied quite a bit, and could be easily removed if wanted.

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 04:29 PM
Right click the image and click on 'Properties'. Then copy the address and paste it into your browser address bar. That should do it.

WTE_CAVOK wrote:
- S!
-
- Muchos Tks Fennec.
-
- I could not get the image for some reason but am
- quite prepared to take your word for it.
-
- So that does solve that one. They must have wired
- up the pilot for the Torp release straight from the
- driver's seat.
-
- If you could email me a JPG I would appreciate it to
- add to my collection.
-
- bvlac_tosg@hypermax.net.au
-
- If you cannot then tks anyway
-
- CAV
-
-

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 09:51 PM
S!

Tks Airbot - that did it OK for me.

Interesting and was well worth checking on here - I like to keep things as accurate as possible.

It looks as though that aircraft is carrying unusual rear fuselage markings?

Tks Again

CAV

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 01:59 PM
I make a lot of aircraft models and the Heinkel that had the 40 mm cannon has it opposite the belly gunner, he is gone and that lower bottom of the fusalage contains the cannon.