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terriblysilly
09-13-2007, 07:46 AM
Hello! I do not have a TrackIR. What is the next-best way, in general, to keep a good situational awareness in combat flight simulator games?

And the idea of "three monitors" is too expensive, so don't recommend that either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you!!

terriblysilly
09-13-2007, 07:46 AM
Hello! I do not have a TrackIR. What is the next-best way, in general, to keep a good situational awareness in combat flight simulator games?

And the idea of "three monitors" is too expensive, so don't recommend that either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you!!

SlickStick
09-13-2007, 08:00 AM
A couple of things that I do, as I do not have track IR either:

My X-52 has two hats so I assign my "UP" looks in 8 directions to the top hat and a combination of "Level" and "DOWN" looks to my second hat.

The other thing I have is a button assigned to "PAN/SNAP VIEWS", default control is F9, and a button assigned to "Look Forward". I toggle F9 between PAN and SNAP depending upon the situation. If I'm looking around or scanning for bogeys, I leave it in SNAP view so it always returns to center when the hat is released.

If I'm in a dogfight, I'll use PAN mode to keep the view on the bogey, using "Look Forward" to instantly return to shooting position when needed.

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2007, 08:10 AM
MOuse.

If you cannot afford expensive stuff and use only one joystick then the mouse is your best bet. Hatswitch isn`t versatile enough. The padlock is too limiting.

I used mouse for years and find it best (after TIR) because it allows you the freedom to track multiple contacts - a crucial skill required in combat.

I had the mouse in my left hand and the stick in the right hand. important controls where on the left stick with some important ones on the mouse itself. Try to get a Mouse with extra buttons like the Logitech MX518.

Of course the Mouse is not for all and takes a little getting used to. I know of at least one guy in my squad who still uses this method until he can get a TIR and his combat ability in a scrum are certainly not worse than mine.

rhinomonkey
09-13-2007, 08:26 AM
I vote for the mouse too. Before i got a trackir i used the mouse and its the best of the rest by a long way in my opinion. I used to assign the mouse wheel to the throttle too so didnt need to ever take my hands off it.

Get trackir though!

Bearcat99
09-13-2007, 09:00 AM
Thats one of the reasons why I recommend the Saiteks.. they have that mouse button on the throttle, which is what I used before I got my TIR to work right. I kept it as a backup when I had TIR2 since it would sometimes drop out on me.. but TIR4 is rock solid. I now use that mouse button as a 4 way switch.

DrHerb
09-13-2007, 09:03 AM
Im a hatswitch user and I strongly recommend NewView 2, its a handy little program where you can pan anywhere you want with your hatswitch (its kinda like using your mouse) its a bit tricky to set up so you must read the readme to set it up properly its the next best thing to using TrackIR

leitmotiv
09-13-2007, 09:27 AM
I never used a hat in the bad, old pre-TrackIR days, just the mouse view, and, believe me, you get to have a fast hand. Main drawback: can't "fly" hand on throttle. I was actually nostalgic for the mouse view until the latest incarnation of the TrackIR because it never worked as advertised for me.

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2007, 09:33 AM
lol, I know that feeling. For the longest time I kept my mouse free incase my TIR1 screwed up. Sometimes it did (in important squad missions) and the Mouse came to the rescue.


Slightly off topic:

I have TIR4 now and have only just noticed how the bright sunlight has no detrimental effect on TIR4 at all. I got so used to positioning TIR1 away from sunlight that i forgot about this adavantage of the latest one. It`s almost magical!

terriblysilly
09-13-2007, 09:39 AM
One thing I do not understand about TrackIR --

If you must turn your head, then you would have to look at the monitor out of the corners of your eyes, when you look very far, yes?

This seems like it would be difficult...especially for me, I have bad eyesight!

SeaFireLIV
09-13-2007, 09:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by terriblysilly:
One thing I do not understand about TrackIR --

If you must turn your head, then you would have to look at the monitor out of the corners of your eyes, when you look very far, yes?

This seems like it would be difficult...especially for me, I have bad eyesight! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that was one of my very first questions, but it`s quite simply really.

You don`t turn your head fully. Only a little bit. TIR moves your screen view for you. You move head a little, it moves screen a lot.

You`ll only be moving slightly. even looking behind you is only a slight head movement left or right.

rhinomonkey
09-13-2007, 09:47 AM
Your head movments are exagerated with trackir. you dont need to actually move your head through 90degress in real life to move 90 degrees in the game. It becomes like second nature very quickly. There is software that comes with tir that lets you adjust the amount it moves and save your own profiles.

For me now TIR is as important as a joystick and i would not buy a sim that was not compatable with it.

terriblysilly
09-13-2007, 09:49 AM
ok, well now i want trackir, ha http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

when was version 4 released? maybe they will release a version 5 soon and i should wait...?

stalkervision
09-13-2007, 10:05 AM
When I first started combat flight simming the hat switch views were difficult for me. Over time I have gotten so proficient with the hat switch I can easily use it to look over my shoulder while flying upsideown, straight up, or whatever position the aircraft is in. I play it like a fine violin without thinking about it now.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I will say one thing though,microsoft joysticka have the finest hat switches I have tried..

you guys all have two left thumbs.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

buzzsaw1939
09-13-2007, 10:06 AM
If it's a matter of money, I used a roller mouse between the throttle a stick, works better than the hat switch! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
09-13-2007, 10:22 AM
Don't have the money for that fancy smancy IR stuff get yourself a used microsoft joystick and just try some hat practice.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Whirlin_merlin
09-13-2007, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
and, believe me, you get to have a fast hand. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is a bonus http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sorry I'll get my coat.

triad773
09-13-2007, 12:12 PM
Not sure if mentioned before, but if you already have a webcam and a bit of ingenuity, see
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7971090385

Divine-Wind
09-13-2007, 12:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by terriblysilly:
Hello! I do not have a TrackIR. What is the next-best way, in general, to keep a good situational awareness in combat flight simulator games?

And the idea of "three monitors" is too expensive, so don't recommend that either. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank you!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hatswitch. Seriously. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Lurch1962
09-13-2007, 06:17 PM
Padlock! Some say it's limiting, while others say it's cheating. For me, it allows to keep an eye on a furiously turning bandit while I turn furiously, too. If I need to see where my crate's heading, I hit the stick button assigned to InstantLookForwardWith Padlock, then release to re-acquire my target.

Otherwise I use the mini-stick on my throttle to pan the view around.

--Lurch--

horseback
09-13-2007, 09:23 PM
One hatswitch, two buttons or keyboard keys that you can press at the same time you're moving your hatswitch around.

Assign a button or key to Look Up and another to Look Down.

By pressing Look Up while your hatswitch has you looking to your right front, your line of sight will be raised forty five degrees. With your field of view set to Wide (Page Down?), this will allow you almost full coverage of the sky from the cockpit. It's a great way to look over your shoulder or keep an eye on your intended target as you're following him through a hard turn.

Pressing Look Down while scanning in Snap mode will lower your line of sight 45 degrees, allowing you to keep an eye on the instrument panel or the lower rear approaches behind & below the wings.

You may want to tweak this approach a bit, but I flew this way for a couple of years before getting my TrackIR3, and it's fairly effective once you get the hang of it.

cheers

horseback

buzzsaw1939
09-13-2007, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stalkervision:
Don't have the money for that fancy smancy IR stuff get yourself a used microsoft joystick and just try some hat practice.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pactice smactice,...I got the fancy IR stuff, and love it! I never could learn to look around with my thumb! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

rockgardenlove
09-13-2007, 10:19 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7971090385

Feathered_IV
09-14-2007, 04:44 AM
Use the Mouse. Stay away from the hat switches. They are hopeless in comparisson. I'd only use the forward/back hats for zoom in and zoom out.

Here's the trick - Assign your throttle to the mouse wheel. Make Drop Bombs your push-down function on the mouse wheel (or your WEP if you prefer). And get one of those great little Logitech MX510 mouses (mice?) with the extra buttons above and below the wheel, plus two others on the side. You can then have elevator trim up/down, open/close canopy and map toggle all on the mouse and still have a button left over for something else. You'll hardly need the keyboard at all, and you won't have to take your eye off the target at a crucial moment.

Why hasn't anyone else mentioned this??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif