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Tater-SW-
09-05-2006, 11:40 AM
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Revenge of the Red Raiders, the 2d book in the series (the first being WARPATH Across the Pacific) is supposedly out. 600 pages, more than 1000 pictures. I have an order in right now, I'll report back when I actually recieve it.

http://www.irandpcorp.com/images/warpath.png
WARPATH Across the Pacific is the stunningly great unit history of the 345th BG (the "Air Apaches"). WARPATH Across the Pacific is like Black Cross, Red Star, only for a single unit. Great book, tons of images, too. If this book is half as good as WARPATH I'll be very happy.

http://www.irandpcorp.com/22BG.html

There was a lot of noise made because this book was promised years ago, and the vets who contributed data and images were upset because they didn't see the book, and the author still had their stuff. Assuming this is on the up and up, I will let you guys know (since the books are $90 a pop).

tater

Tater-SW-
09-05-2006, 11:40 AM
http://www.irandpcorp.com/images/RRR.png
Revenge of the Red Raiders, the 2d book in the series (the first being WARPATH Across the Pacific) is supposedly out. 600 pages, more than 1000 pictures. I have an order in right now, I'll report back when I actually recieve it.

http://www.irandpcorp.com/images/warpath.png
WARPATH Across the Pacific is the stunningly great unit history of the 345th BG (the "Air Apaches"). WARPATH Across the Pacific is like Black Cross, Red Star, only for a single unit. Great book, tons of images, too. If this book is half as good as WARPATH I'll be very happy.

http://www.irandpcorp.com/22BG.html

There was a lot of noise made because this book was promised years ago, and the vets who contributed data and images were upset because they didn't see the book, and the author still had their stuff. Assuming this is on the up and up, I will let you guys know (since the books are $90 a pop).

tater

R_Target
09-07-2006, 01:29 AM
Looks awesome. I've never seen that B-25 nose art before.

KIMURA
09-07-2006, 04:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
Looks awesome. I've never seen that B-25 nose art before. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The scheme is called "Bat outta Hell" of the 345th Bomb Group.
http://204.50.25.179/features00/images/images_1/b25dir1.jpg

http://204.50.25.179/features00/images/images_1/b25dir2.jpg

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 07:21 AM
BTW, if you go to the website I linked they actually have WARPATH in stock as well! It's otherwise near impossible to find, and unless Revenge of the Red Raiders is better, WARPATH is the best unit history done by anyone, ever. It's a wonderful book, and a must-have for anyone interested in the SWPA.

tater

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 07:23 AM
PS--too bad they didn't make a simple modification to the B-25J to give us a strafer version like the picture above. Look at that model plane closely. The glass is still there, it's just painted over. In some cases they painted over the glazing, in others they replaced the plexiglass with sheet metal, regardless the frames remained. We could have a strafer just by adding guns, and allowing the nose to be poainted over (delete the bombadier/nose gunner position from the internal).

tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 08:30 AM
Actually they were C & D versions, belly turret removed to make room for dropable fuel tanks held in a bay of sorts, no tail guns (boy don't I wish).....All customs as just recently I looked up for another about them.

In kind, we need the B24 WITHOUT the nose turret. That was another 5th Air Force invention taking a tail turret an mounting it to the nose.....The idea so caught on eventually they started building them that way.

What strikes me oddest though......Is how few 5th Air Force squadrons we have here if any....Very surprising being some of the most colorful and successful units of the war, true innovators.

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 09:14 AM
ACTUALLY, both the C/D and J were field modified to strafers (the model plane above is a C/D (the gunpack is early, and the turret is in the rear not just behind cockpit). I chose to point out the J because it is actually flyable. The C is not (and would require entirely new inside positions). The J strafers were had 3 basic forms. the factory built strafer (aluminum gun nose), a prefab aluminum gun nose put on (glazed nose was cut off entirely), and a flield mod where the glazing was kept, and panels were simply replaced with aluminum or painted over---the last type occured, but was not common, OTOH it is doable with minimum effort in PF compared to the other 2 options.

The C/D strafer would be nicer to have, I admit, but it just will not happen at this point except as AI---which would be pointless since the AI doesn't know how to use strafer bombers anyway (which is why the flyable is all that matters since coop is the only way you'd ever see proper minimum alt attacks happen with them).

tater

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 09:24 AM
Model pics are easier to find:

http://www.old.modelarstwo.org.pl/lotnicze/galeria/litewka/b-25j/39.jpg

tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
ACTUALLY, both the C/D and J were field modified to strafers (the model plane above is a C/D (the gunpack is early, and the turret is in the rear not just behind cockpit). I chose to point out the J because it is actually flyable. The C is not (and would require entirely new inside positions). The J strafers were had 3 basic forms. the factory built strafer (aluminum gun nose), a prefab aluminum gun nose put on (glazed nose was cut off entirely), and a flield mod where the glazing was kept, and panels were simply replaced with aluminum or painted over---the last type occured, but was not common, OTOH it is doable with minimum effort in PF compared to the other 2 options.

The C/D strafer would be nicer to have, I admit, but it just will not happen at this point except as AI---which would be pointless since the AI doesn't know how to use strafer bombers anyway (which is why the flyable is all that matters since coop is the only way you'd ever see proper minimum alt attacks happen with them).

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, yet to make the J correct (faking it to C/D std.) for all that counts (whoops did I say that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif) being New Guinea, the tail guns need to be removed as well which is no big deal, and also the loadouts I've mentioned before (200 parafrag, 100/250/500 parademo's & phosphorous bombs) would be awesome................It would also be really nice if we had phosphorous plane to plane bombs used by the Japanese, and explosives for the tree tops......

Ah well.........*sigh*.....Not in this series I'm afraid. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 09:44 AM
No, not faking a J to a C/D, but a legitimate glass nosed J with the glazing kept, and guns added in place of the bombadier's station. They kept the waist and tail guns. There are numerous pictures of the (all B-25J-11s) modification in WARPATH. All the first Js the 345th recieved were glass nosed, and virtually all of them were field-modified into strafers with the addition of guns to the glazed nose, bombadier removed.

B-25J strafers without a solid nose. They differ in armament from the factory solid nosed variety by having only 4-5 guns in the nose instead of the 8 found in the factory solid nose.

The D would have been the far better choice for a PF flyable, or course, but we have what we have, lol.

tater

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 10:00 AM
Yeah, the loadouts are odd, for sure. I have yet to find any definitive count on parafrags held in the "honeycomb" racks. I have seen 60 mentioned, 72, 100, and more. &lt;SHRUG&gt;

tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 10:36 AM
For some loadout info......

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/653...531009573#6531009573 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/6531009573?r=6531009573#6531009573)

Better Still;

http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/aul/aupress/Books/Rodman/rodman.pdf

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 10:42 AM
Yeah, I posted in that thread, but as I said, it is bloody hard to find a definitive answer on numbers of 23lb parafrags. It might be confused a little by the fact the first parafrags used were the surplus 6lb version.

What was your source on the 207 number?

tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
What was your source on the 207 number?

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get the pdf above, plus others I'd have to re-lookup.

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 11:02 AM
Wow, that doc is an awesome find!


tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Wow, that doc is an awesome find!


tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's one of the more generic ones....a LOT out there that is legally distributed by the governments.

Crash_Moses
09-07-2006, 01:15 PM
OMG...B-25s in the PTO...I gotta get that book.

Wish someone would write something like that for the Marine PBJ units. Only thing I've been able to scrounge up is Leatherneck Bombers...full of typos and clunky paragraphs. Good info though...

And I wish the Marine units allowed noseart...love that Bat Out of Hell design...

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 01:45 PM
If you go to that site, you can order with a CC via phone, the website only has a form to print out and send with a check/money order. WARPATH is $75 (I bought mine on amazon and paid $90 I think since it is out of print).

It has day by day text of the operations, and a ton of pictures.

tater

LEBillfish
09-07-2006, 03:52 PM
Btw, if the 4th Koukuugun vs. the 5th AirForce is your thing....Here is another MUST, MUST have....Actually between Warpath & MacArthur's Eagles, the latter my fav.....

http://books.stonebooks.com/reading/mcaulay_mac.jpg
http://www.sonic.net/~bstone/archives/050410.shtml (http://www.sonic.net/%7Ebstone/archives/050410.shtml)

Tater-SW-
09-07-2006, 08:56 PM
That's a great book as well. Warpath is a single unit history however, so isn't the same kind of overview very different animals, IMO.

When in doubt with books, buy all of them, that's my motto http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tater

LEBillfish
09-08-2006, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
Yeah, I posted in that thread, but as I said, it is bloody hard to find a definitive answer on numbers of 23lb parafrags. It might be confused a little by the fact the first parafrags used were the surplus 6lb version.

What was your source on the 207 number?

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also check, "Warpath across the Pacific, Page 38, column 1, 3rd paragraph".............As I know you have this book.

However, I consider neither firm proof of anything. Though handbuilts, I'm still betting their are either photo's or drawings of them (unlike the 4 .50's mounted tight in the nose 2over2....Of which from muzzle positions I've seen a few versions, so true hand fits)......That's what I'd like to find.

Tater-SW-
09-08-2006, 09:35 AM
Oh yeah. I did see that the first time I read through. That's August '43 at that point in the book as well, so thay'd dialed in the parafrag racks by then. Pretty definitive. That's 69 tubes in the honeycomb.

tater

Tater-SW-
09-11-2006, 10:49 AM
My book arrived Saturday. Ordered and shipped Monday, got it Saturday. Awesome, it's on the up and up.

tater

LEBillfish
01-17-2007, 06:19 PM
To anyone who picked this up....Could you tell me what references and pictures Revenge of the Red Raiders contains to the following;

78th Sentai/FS/Hikousenti
Ki-61
any of the Wewak and Hollandia bases
any Japanese maps?

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Tater-SW-
01-18-2007, 07:16 AM
September 3d they attacekc the Celebes, and leaving the target, 2d Squadron was attacked by 4 fighters said to be tonys and tojos which made repeated attacks, a couple droped bobs (WP?) on the formation, 2 were claimed by the gunners. The 33d and 19th were also attacked by fighters, including tonys.

Sept 16-17 they bombed airfields on the Celebes and were attacked again by tonys. 14th sentai had 14 aircraft lost on the ground in their own records.October 22d tonys reported at the Celebes again.

A fair amount on Wewak and Hollandia, but the images are US maps, or BDA pictures.

Mr_Nakajima
01-20-2007, 05:28 AM
Speaking of books covering the South Pacific, has anyone read this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v677/Mr_Nakajima/WolfBook.jpg

It's expensive and so I'd like a recommendation before I buy it.

Oh who am I kiding, I'll probably buy it anyway, but I'll get less grief if I can say 'Well it comes very hightly recommended'!

Drone
01-20-2007, 05:51 AM
Not to derail your thread but if anybody loves the Mitchell and is going to be in or around Michigan in early July might want to check out this years Thunder over Michigan event.

http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/

This years topic is Mitchell Madness and to date there are 18 B25s of different varients signed up to attent. See the list here.

http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/aircraft.htm


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