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crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:28 AM
1C announced realease of long awaited Pe-2 addon on April 7th. No, it is not April 1st joke. http://games.1c.ru/index.php

Looks like rest of the world will get it on April 17th.

Horray! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:28 AM
1C announced realease of long awaited Pe-2 addon on April 7th. No, it is not April 1st joke. http://games.1c.ru/index.php

Looks like rest of the world will get it on April 17th.

Horray! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

danjama
03-30-2006, 10:29 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

SATAN_23rd
03-30-2006, 10:30 AM
DO you have anything in english?

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SATAN_23rd:
DO you have anything in english? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

4 modifications of Pe-2
2 modifications of Pe-3
15 new objects: AAA, Heavy artillery and ground units.
4 new static campaigns for VVS (95 Missions) based on real encounters.
66 skins
8 B/W movies.

Brain32
03-30-2006, 10:40 AM
http://babelfish.altavista.com is your friend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EDIT: But CrazyIvan is faster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JtD
03-30-2006, 10:40 AM
Cool. Looking forward to carrying these nice 1.5 tons of explosives into enemy territory.

TX-Zen
03-30-2006, 10:43 AM
April 17th http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Is there a way to preorder?

bhunter2112
03-30-2006, 10:44 AM
This will of course be on the US version of the DVD release. Thats why we are having a delay right. That would be nice.

danjama
03-30-2006, 10:46 AM
Will this be needed to play online?

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:46 AM
I am trying to verify the date with UBI. So far i`v been told 17th.

No, it`s a CD, not DVD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif IL-2 Collection DVD is completely different story. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Will this be needed to play online? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes and no. Meaning Pe-2 addon will change version of your installation and you will be compatible on line only with people with same version. Those who still v4.04 will not be able to join your server and you will not be able to join theirs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PBNA-Boosher
03-30-2006, 10:52 AM
YES!!!

April 17th in the US? BINGO! Now I know what I want for my birthday!

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 10:56 AM
Also, pay attention to this, posted by SaQSoN @simHQ:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I already told many times here about this addons system.
Will repeat it again. This addons technically are the same as "patches". I.e., they can only be installed in certain sequence.

Yet, you can choose which add-ons to buy. Though, you choices are limited and they are:

1. Only Pe-2 addon
2. Pe-2 + IL-10
3. Pe-2 + IL-10 + 46

You can't have them in different order or combinations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PBNA-Boosher
03-30-2006, 10:58 AM
Yikes, well, I'd want option 3, but that means a serious split in the community!

ElAurens
03-30-2006, 10:59 AM
Oh yeah!!!

Ivan, you just made my day.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Yikes, well, I'd want option 3, but that means a serious split in the community! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The beauty of IL2 Boosher, it`s registry independend. You can have as many installs as you want http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifSo, i dont see a big problem with split of the community as LONG AS EVERYTHING IS RELEASED around the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

slo_1_2_3
03-30-2006, 11:05 AM
Does this mean after my long and hard struggle I'm gonna be flying alone again? Because every ones gonna be flying this addon?

Pig_Mac
03-30-2006, 11:05 AM
Yes! thanks!

Any way to pay for a download. i hate giving a lot of my money to a 'middle man' and hope he delivers in time. (worked out good with Oblivion, but that was the first time I've had a game faster then I expected)

Pig_Mac
03-30-2006, 11:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
Does this mean after my long and hard struggle I'm gonna be flying alone again? Because every ones gonna be flying this addon? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll be able to afford it, I guess it can't be prices as an entirely new sim? Even if it is it'll be worth it.

(starts seeing a use for my beloved 110 again)

PBNA-Boosher
03-30-2006, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Also, pay attention to this, posted by SaQSoN @simHQ:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
I already told many times here about this addons system.
Will repeat it again. This addons technically are the same as "patches". I.e., they can only be installed in certain sequence.

Yet, you can choose which add-ons to buy. Though, you choices are limited and they are:

1. Only Pe-2 addon
2. Pe-2 + IL-10
3. Pe-2 + IL-10 + 46

You can't have them in different order or combinations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are all of these planes included in the addon that will hit the US? Or can we buy one of 3 separate products?

BirdieNum-nums
03-30-2006, 11:10 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but what does ''46'' stand for in the third addon Pe-2 + IL-10 + 46.

What is this 46 thing??

Cheers,
Birdie Num-nums

Irish_Rogues
03-30-2006, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Does this mean after my long and hard struggle I'm gonna be flying alone again? Because every ones gonna be flying this addon? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That remains to be seen. But, if you look how it's gone so far I'd say, eventually.

JG53Frankyboy
03-30-2006, 11:13 AM
splitting the community - didnt we had this discusion in the past ??
before AEP release, before PF release ??

if you want to be alwasy on the top, you have to buy and download, thats live.
if you want later play the Norway map, Burma map, Itlay map, Slovakia map , fly Ki27, want have AI Ki-21 and so on.

you have to by at least the PE2/3 thing - will make version 4.05.
if the IL10 too , depends when all the free stuff will come. but sure you will have to have the LATEST version before - if you bought it or it was a free download.

its alwasy the same - no Tempest , Mosquiot, NW Europe map without buying PF !

Pig_Mac
03-30-2006, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BirdieNum-nums:
Pardon my ignorance, but what does ''46'' stand for in the third addon Pe-2 + IL-10 + 46.

What is this 46 thing??

Cheers,
Birdie Num-nums </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

An interesting continuation of the war. With a few 1946 planes.

(or in the worst case scenario the number of inches Ivan is packing to punish us unruly) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

hmm why didn't I delete that before I posted? ..well..

bhunter2112
03-30-2006, 11:18 AM
What is going on? DVD ...patches... add ons...Can someone from this company get on the website news and tell us all what is going on ? Just put EVERYTHING on a darn DVD and charge what you will. You peolpe are %*^$#@ this game up quick.

Pig_Mac
03-30-2006, 11:19 AM
Have this series even let you down? maybe for a patch or two, or with a few missing key planes in PF. But the lack of planes seemed to be 'force majeure'.

I'll buy anything they release as long as it isn't infested with [insert evil copyprotection here].

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-30-2006, 11:20 AM
Finally! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


Hopefully these three addons won't be too far apart, but i'll be thrilled just to get the PE-2...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

djetz
03-30-2006, 11:23 AM
Any news on what this add-on is likely to cost?

Will all 3 add-ons be available on 1 CD (eventually) or will there be 3 separate CDs?

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 11:28 AM
Guys, take it easy lol.

Let me start from the beginning:

1) The purpose of IL2 Collection DVD is to eliminate lack of component on the market that needed to have a full version ( FB, AEP, PF) IL-2 Gold collection contains all those components + all necessary patches UP TO VERSION 4.04
2) Pe-2, IL-10 and VVS 1946 Addons were planned a while ago, and should be released before July of 2006, all 3 of them (one at the time, of course)
3) As far as I understood, each next addon will require previous installed. For example: Pe-2 requires version 404m installed, IL-10 will require Pe-2 installed and VVS-1946 will require Pe-2 and IL-10 installed.

Corrected

nicolas10
03-30-2006, 11:33 AM
If you ask me they are deliberately trying to create such a mess with all the addons that the only way to play online with other people will be to buy the new DVD version... nevermind that you've bought three games + 1 addon... let's just buy it all one more time.

Nic

faustnik
03-30-2006, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
Finally! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif


Hopefully these three addons won't be too far apart, but i'll be thrilled just to get the PE-2...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OT: Great new sig Thunderbolt56! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

sry had to say.

*********************

Can't wait for the Pe-3! Pe-3 vs. Bf110 should be great!

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nicolas10:
If you ask me they are deliberately trying to create such a mess with all the addons that the only way to play online with other people will be to buy the new DVD version... nevermind that you've bought three games + 1 addon... let's just buy it all one more time.

Nic </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No you confused man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They actually did the right thing. Someone help poor Nic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

faustnik
03-30-2006, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Someone help poor Nic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good luck with that.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEBillfish
03-30-2006, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Bottom line, my understanding is: you can buy one at the time: Pe-2, then IL-10 then VVS-1946, or you can wait till VVS 1946 which will have them all €" it is strictly UP TO YOU. I will get an official word on it, be sure. OK? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Devilish Bassids http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif.......They know many of us have not the willpower to wait and will have to have each as they come out...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif(though it's a good method for those catching up at a later date like the DVD is intended to do). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Which addon was slated to have the Japanese planes does anyone know?

T_O_A_D
03-30-2006, 11:38 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 11:42 AM
IL-10 will have new Japanese AC in it Billfish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Waldo.Pepper
03-30-2006, 11:42 AM
These are great days my brothers.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-30-2006, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
OT: Great new sig Thunderbolt56! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

sry had to say.

*********************

Can't wait for the Pe-3! Pe-3 vs. Bf110 should be great! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Faust. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">crazyivan1970 wrote:

No you confused man They actually did the right thing. Someone help poor Nic </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'll try...

y o u d o n 't n e e d t o b u y t h e D V D i f y o u h a v e t h e g a m e...PERIOD!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

Cadet_Bobo
03-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Just for fun here's a babelfish translation of the IC page originally in Russian:


the "histories of dive bomber" - that long-awaited is addition for a series of military history aviasimulyatorov "Il-2 the attack aircraft: The forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ", because of which you will be able to sit down at the steering control of the most known Soviet dive bomber P -2 and the heavy destroyer P -3. New static campaigns tell about the combat work of "pawns" from front and naval aviation in the sky above the Kursk salient, Baltikoy, by the Baltic States and by Berlin. Two of the represented campaigns are dedicated to the actions of Soviet destroyers and attack aircraft above Orel and Carpathians.

Special features of the game
4 modifications P -2 and 2 modifications P -3, accessible for control of the player
15 new objects: the anti-aircraft guns, heavy artillery and the ground-based technology
4 new static campaigns for VVS OF RKKA - WORKERS' AND PEASANTS' RED ARMY (total duration - 95 missions), created on the basis of the real historical events
5 missions for the joint passage and 5 single missions
66 new schematics of the coloring of the aircraft
8 black and white rollers
Attention! For installation and starting of the addition of the "histories of dive bomber" is required the preset of three games: "Il-2 the attack aircraft: Forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ". Given addition can be established above any version of the united game, beginning from 3.0 and to 4..04m, including DVD the version of ya..0yam. (subsequent additions they can be established only above the "histories of the dive bomber" of version 4..05m)

Cheers, Bobo

FatBoyHK
03-30-2006, 12:14 PM
I am thinking about the chaos that may happen when new patches arrive... now what have 2 seperate patches every time a version comes out, one for merged and one for PF standalone. After all these 3 addon come out, everytime oleg decide to release a patch there will be:

One for PF standalone
One for Merged
One for Merged + Pe2
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10 + 46

No game developer wil be able to do this I am quite certain..... so I fear that it signals the end of the support of the IL2 after all this add-on is released....

msalama
03-30-2006, 12:20 PM
S, S, S, S, S, S & S! are just what's needed RIGHT NOW http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Lodovik
03-30-2006, 12:37 PM
This is great news. And it nicely compliments the email telling that my copy of the gold edition DVD can be picked up from the retailer tomorrow morning (I think those guys know a junkie when they see one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ). Spasiba to Oleg & co!

Guess I'll sign on that Russian language course next week as well. I knew I should've stuck on it way back at high school. The bucks I'd be making, translating obscure Russian gaming magazines now... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

TC_Stele
03-30-2006, 12:53 PM
I don't mean to sound stupid or anything, but how is this different from a patch addon?

Havn't we seen more free patches with more planes, maps, objects in the past than this payed addon?

Temporal_Mass
03-30-2006, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:

1) The purpose of IL2 Collection DVD is to eliminate lack of component on the market that needed to have a full version ( FB, AEP, PF) IL-2 Gold collection contains all those components + all necessary patches UP TO VERSION 4.04
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless you live in the US, that is.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Looks like rest of the world will get it on April 17th.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I don't want to sound like 'That Guy' here but I have to ask, does the rest of the world include the US customers? We assumed about the DVD...

Pig_Mac
03-30-2006, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TC_Stele:
I don't mean to sound stupid or anything, but how is this different from a patch addon?

Havn't we seen more free patches with more planes, maps, objects in the past than this payed addon? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1, The difference is that they get some more money to work BoB with.
2. Yes. But those were planes 'promised us' in earlier incarnations of the sims life. As they said the addons arn't needed. Since IL2 are free os registry adds, they are just recommended.

I'm sure to buy all of the addons, to have some prop fun while waiting for BoB.

Fanboi or not, they sure as he*l deserve my money for the patches if for nothing else.

steve_v
03-30-2006, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
1C announced realease of long awaited Pe-2 addon on April 7th. No, it is not April 1st joke. http://games.1c.ru/index.php

Looks like rest of the world will get it on April 17th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Great announcement! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://www.filmposters.com/images/posters/9317.jpg

GerritJ9
03-30-2006, 01:49 PM
Doesn't seem to be any mention of new maps.......
Any (un)official word about the Kiev map SaqSon mentioned some time ago as "work in progress"?

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 01:59 PM
Kiev is in VVS1946

Toten_Waffe
03-30-2006, 02:43 PM
Hi there, sorry to sound like a bit of a numpty... but,

I live in the UK and am wondering how we actually get hold of these updates???...I cannot imagine they will get a general release in the shops over here so will I be able to buy proper boxed CD versions off the ubi or 1C website or are they going to be pay for download. If so, will that be similar to the patches download (exe file) except I wil need to give credit card details first.

JG53Frankyboy
03-30-2006, 03:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I am thinking about the chaos that may happen when new patches arrive... now what have 2 seperate patches every time a version comes out, one for merged and one for PF standalone. After all these 3 addon come out, everytime oleg decide to release a patch there will be:

One for PF standalone
One for Merged
One for Merged + Pe2
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10 + 46

No game developer wil be able to do this I am quite certain..... so I fear that it signals the end of the support of the IL2 after all this add-on is released.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i doubt that !
lets say Pe2 will make 4.05 , than IL10 will make it to 4.06.
IanBoys said that propably than there will be a free AdOn (Burma map and so on) , will make 4.07.

im sure that you must have 4.06 to upgrade to 4.07 !

carguy_
03-30-2006, 03:20 PM
Wow what a surprise!Hopefully it will be all available for buying.

Hawgdog
03-30-2006, 03:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
that means a serious split in the community! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my thoughts

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-30-2006, 04:00 PM
I'm not confused in the least nor do I think I will split the community. If you want to fly online, you'll get them.


TB

triggerhappyfin
03-30-2006, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I am thinking about the chaos that may happen when new patches arrive... now what have 2 seperate patches every time a version comes out, one for merged and one for PF standalone. After all these 3 addon come out, everytime oleg decide to release a patch there will be:

One for PF standalone
One for Merged
One for Merged + Pe2
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10 + 46

No game developer wil be able to do this I am quite certain..... so I fear that it signals the end of the support of the IL2 after all this add-on is released.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Support prolly continues as before - on the latest version.

slo_1_2_3
03-30-2006, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xallo_72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
Does this mean after my long and hard struggle I'm gonna be flying alone again? Because every ones gonna be flying this addon? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll be able to afford it, I guess it can't be prices as an entirely new sim? Even if it is it'll be worth it.

(starts seeing a use for my beloved 110 again) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea I don't think so, I spent all my money on gold pack and I'm sixteen no job no alowance no income what soever so I'm screwed again aparently. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Popey109
03-30-2006, 04:36 PM
and ground units!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I hope this means what I...hope it means http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Popey109:
and ground units!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif I hope this means what I...hope it means http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you are hoping for troops...sorry to disapoint you. Mobile units...trucks, etc.

Yambretta
03-30-2006, 04:45 PM
Here's a badish babelfish translation of web site but it may be of interest so people.
..............................................

the "histories of dive bomber" - that long-awaited is addition for a series of military history aviasimulyatorov "Il-2 the attack aircraft: The forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ", because of which you will be able to sit down at the steering control of the most known Soviet dive bomber P -2 and the heavy destroyer P -3. New static campaigns tell about the combat work of "pawns" from front and naval aviation in the sky above the Kursk salient, Baltikoy, by the Baltic States and by Berlin. Two of the represented campaigns are dedicated to the actions of Soviet destroyers and attack aircraft above Orel and Carpathians.

Special features of the game
4 modifications P -2 and 2 modifications P -3, accessible for control of the player
15 new objects: the anti-aircraft guns, heavy artillery and the ground-based technology
4 new static campaigns for VVS OF RKKA - WORKERS' AND PEASANTS' RED ARMY (total duration - 95 missions), created on the basis of the real historical events
5 missions for the joint passage and 5 single missions
66 new schematics of the coloring of the aircraft
8 black and white rollers
Attention! For installation and starting of the addition of the "histories of dive bomber" is required the preset of three games: "Il-2 the attack aircraft: Forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ". Given addition can be established above any version of the united game, beginning from 3.0 and to 4..04m, including DVD the version of ya..0yam. (subsequent additions they can be established only above the "histories of the dive bomber" of version 4..05m

polak5
03-30-2006, 04:57 PM
I hate being a sheep, but im going to follow the herd with this one.

MercilessFatBoy
03-30-2006, 05:29 PM
could any one be nice enough to tell us what each add on will contain... what planes in specific.... i been dying to know this for long

SaQSoN
03-30-2006, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Bottom line, my understanding is: you can buy one at the time: Pe-2, then IL-10 then VVS-1946, or you can wait till VVS 1946 which will have them all </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it is not correct.

Each subsequent add-on will NOT contain the previous one.

If you will want to have the "46" add-on, you will have to buy both other ones.

AVG_WarHawk
03-30-2006, 07:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
I hate being a sheep, but im going to follow the herd with this one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can only go forward, there's no backing now.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/thechute.gif

markiz26
03-30-2006, 07:39 PM
What a wonderful news for us, "ground pounders"! I don't need the DVD but to stay with the flow, I will go ahead and buy it anyway. Great work Oleg and the team!

Grey_Mouser67
03-30-2006, 08:00 PM
Will we get new or improved AI in 4.05?

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 08:19 PM
Guys, i missunderstood something big time hehe. I need to get some sleep.

Above i said that each next version will include previous one, please forgive me - that is incorrect.

Read it as, each next version will require previous installed.

Meaning

Pe-2 installs over 404m
IL-10 Installs over 404m + Pe-2
VVS-1946 Installs over 404m+Pe-2+IL-10


SaQSoN thanks for clearing this one up.... My appologies folks

Nimits
03-30-2006, 08:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Il-2 the attack aircraft: Forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, what are those . . .

crazyivan1970
03-30-2006, 08:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Il-2 the attack aircraft: Forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, what are those . . . </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are IL-2 Forgotten Battles, Aces expansion pack and Pacific Fighters

dhorkoff
03-30-2006, 08:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Read it as, each next version will require previous installed.

Meaning

Pe-2 installs over 404m
IL-10 Installs over 404m + Pe-2
VVS-1946 Installs over 404m+Pe-2+IL-10
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This makes sense. But will it be necessary to patch FB+AEP+PF to 4.04m before installing PE-2? It'd be nice if it was just a matter of putting in the CDs one after the other, rather than having to mess with intermediate patches.

SaQSoN
03-30-2006, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> But will it be necessary to patch FB+AEP+PF to 4.04m before installing PE-2? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes. English version of the Pe-2 installs only over the 4.04m.
Russian version can be installed over 3.0m or any other version between 3.0m and 4.04m.
Don't ask me why that was done so.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> It'd be nice if it was just a matter of putting in the CDs one after the other, rather than having to mess with intermediate patches. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To avoid messing with the patches, you may buy the platinum DVD, which installs 4.04m from the beginning. And then install Pe-2 and other commercial add-ons over it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Blottogg
03-30-2006, 10:39 PM
Great news, and I'm glad to hear there is a release date planned for the U.S. as well, but... (and like Rosanne, this is a big "but")

Has anybody got a line on what retailer will be able to ship these expansions to U.S. customers? Magnum PC, GoGamer, Maddox Games, Ubi, Just Flight, that shifty looking guy in the alley, or a player to be named later? Worrying about what add-on corresponds to what patch number, or what order they've got to be installed in is kind of moot if we can't get our grubby little hands on them.

LEXX_Luthor
03-30-2006, 11:09 PM
Great News!

Last year we were still wondering if these CD releaces would be releaced in the west. And now they will be. Aussim.

But at the end of the year, they will have to make Total DVD covering all the new addons. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Nimits
03-30-2006, 11:10 PM
Jason from GoGamer said on SimHq that they are looking into taking pre-orders in the near future.

lowfighter
03-31-2006, 01:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SATAN_23rd:
DO you have anything in english? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


15 new objects: AAA, Heavy artillery and ground units.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any idea what the "ground units" are?

HotelBushranger
03-31-2006, 01:38 AM
So if you have just merged, do you still get patches? And will they be different from the merged-merged patches?

Good news nonetheless http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

anasteksi
03-31-2006, 01:39 AM
are those coming here finland? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'd love to buy them all!

polak5
03-31-2006, 01:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AVG_WarHawk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by polak5:
I hate being a sheep, but im going to follow the herd with this one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can only go forward, there's no backing now.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y270/AVG_WarHawk/thechute.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Muahhahha! that was glorious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

MadBadVlad
03-31-2006, 02:17 AM
This is excellent news http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Maybe now PBNA Boosher can put together a campaign covering the women who flew in PE-2's with the 125th "M.M. Raskova" Borisov Guards Dive Bomber Regiment ??

FatBoyHK
03-31-2006, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I am thinking about the chaos that may happen when new patches arrive... now what have 2 seperate patches every time a version comes out, one for merged and one for PF standalone. After all these 3 addon come out, everytime oleg decide to release a patch there will be:

One for PF standalone
One for Merged
One for Merged + Pe2
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10 + 46

No game developer wil be able to do this I am quite certain..... so I fear that it signals the end of the support of the IL2 after all this add-on is released.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Support prolly continues as before - on the latest version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, in order to receive any further patch, I need to buy all the addons?

and there will be no patches from now on until all those addons are released? I think those USN pilot will be very disappointed...asymetric yaw when firing gun indeed need immediate attention....

MadBadVlad
03-31-2006, 02:37 AM
For anyone who wants to read up on the PE-2 there is only one definitive book in English at the moment in the Crowood Aviation Series. I think it is remaindered now as you can pick up copies for as low as 11.70 from Amazon marketplace sellers. This is the book and contents...........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/markwalters/IL-2%20Sturmovik/pe2book.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/markwalters/IL-2%20Sturmovik/pe2bookcontent.jpg

Feathered_IV
03-31-2006, 02:46 AM
April 17th? Thats just a little more than two weeks away. Can't wait http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

jasonbirder
03-31-2006, 03:38 AM
That€s absolutely fabulous news €" no way was I expecting it to be released that quickly!
Can€t wait to get my hands on this one€¦
To those in the US that are feeling hard done by €" no-where in the UK stocks these kind of things on the shelves anymore anyway so we have to purchase over the t€internet too€¦Besides I want it on Day1€¦no waiting around€¦
Fantastic that they are still releasing new material for this game and great that this one looks like it€s really been aimed at us offliners for a change!
If they€ve tweaked the AI a little in this patch that€ll just be the icing on the cake€¦
Talk of this splitting the community is no more realistic than Pacific Fighters splitting the community€¦If there are a few that don€t upgrade and fall by the wayside€¦then hopefully that€ll be more than made up by a little bit of new blood that the combined DVD might attract!

WOLFMondo
03-31-2006, 03:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I'm not confused in the least nor do I think I will split the community. If you want to fly online, you'll get them.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dunno, I reckon that the majoirty of HL servers and users will stick to 4.04 and any patchs for just Il2:FB+Aces+PF.

I've got enough space for 5 different installs..ugh.

FlatSpinMan
03-31-2006, 04:00 AM
I'm in, assuming I can find it.

jasonbirder
03-31-2006, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Dunno, I reckon that the majoirty of HL servers and users will stick to 4.04 and any patchs for just Il2:FB+Aces+PF </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think that? How many HL Servers are still Flying FB only or FB/AEP or PF Standalone...most people will update to the latest version won't they...

Skycat_2
03-31-2006, 04:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jasonbirder:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Dunno, I reckon that the majoirty of HL servers and users will stick to 4.04 and any patchs for just Il2:FB+Aces+PF </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think that? How many HL Servers are still Flying FB only or FB/AEP or PF Standalone...most people will update to the latest version won't they... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know a lot of people will get this, but even with a the new DVD attracting converts I think that a large part of the community will put off getting the P-2 expansion for a while. But that's just my guess.

ElAurens
03-31-2006, 05:21 AM
You is wrong...

Be sure.

Within a week everyone will be at the Pe2 level.

WOLFMondo
03-31-2006, 05:26 AM
I hope your right, I don't want half a dozen versions of FB on my PC!

hotspace
03-31-2006, 05:26 AM
Cooooooooooooooooooool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Feathered_IV
03-31-2006, 05:48 AM
Later on, we can all laugh about how the release of three new addons could possibly have struck fear into the hearts of the Il-2 community.

I plan to get in early though.
I'm laughing now.

Rammjaeger
03-31-2006, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Guys, i missunderstood something big time hehe. I need to get some sleep.

Above i said that each next version will include previous one, please forgive me - that is incorrect.

Read it as, each next version will require previous installed.

Meaning

Pe-2 installs over 404m
IL-10 Installs over 404m + Pe-2
VVS-1946 Installs over 404m+Pe-2+IL-10


SaQSoN thanks for clearing this one up.... My appologies folks </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I suppose none of the new addons install over AEP standalone.

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-31-2006, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I hope your right, I don't want half a dozen versions of FB on my PC! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Only 1 version on my rig. The latest. And after each add-on, my version will be whatever it says after installation. The inevitibility of all the major servers implementing the latest version is historical fact. These add-ons won't be any different.

For all you guys that have said they would gladly pay for a PE-2 or this or that or for all the US pilots that said they would buy the DVD just to show support...well, buy the frikkin add-ons, get up to speed and show your support that way. Besides, then you'll be able to fly with me, 'cause that's where I'll be. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-31-2006, 07:14 AM
To Ivan or Saqson, is there any indication as to where on the 7th of April we in the UK and Europe will be able to purchase this add-on?? Will it be in shops, and if so, which ones? Or is this an online purchase that will have to be made, and if so, from where??

As mentioned above, in the UK in particular, gaming retailers simply don't stock these things in the numbers they used, if at all in some cases. The PC sections have been shrinking and shrinking to the size of perhaps half a section, with the rest taken up with screads of X-box, and PS-2, and whatever other console nonsense is popular these days.

Just wondering.

WOLFMondo
03-31-2006, 07:26 AM
Thunderbolt56, i hope your right, I also have one version on my PC right now however not everyone will get the addons, either through choice or lack of sales points in North America. This might change things. Time will tell.

Temporal_Mass
03-31-2006, 07:38 AM
I asked once, perhaps it was missed, so I'll ask again. So far I have heard 'the English version', 'UK release', 'Europe and Russia', but nowhere can I find US release. Will the addons be released in the United States or will we have to order from overseas?

sparty7200
03-31-2006, 08:08 AM
Boring question i know...but does anybody have an idea of HOW MUCH it will cost to buy?...not everybody has deep pockets??..

Sparty

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-31-2006, 08:31 AM
No specific idea at the cost. But if history is any indicator, it will likely be in the $20-30 USD range.


TB

JG52Uther
03-31-2006, 08:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">is there any indication as to where on the 7th of April we in the UK and Europe will be able to purchase this add-on?? Will it be in shops, and if so, which ones? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Play.com is usually a good bet,but that means internet ordering,and they dont list it yet.

lbhskier37
03-31-2006, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
I am thinking about the chaos that may happen when new patches arrive... now what have 2 seperate patches every time a version comes out, one for merged and one for PF standalone. After all these 3 addon come out, everytime oleg decide to release a patch there will be:

One for PF standalone
One for Merged
One for Merged + Pe2
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10
One for Merged + Pe2 + Il10 + 46

No game developer wil be able to do this I am quite certain..... so I fear that it signals the end of the support of the IL2 after all this add-on is released.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Support prolly continues as before - on the latest version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So, in order to receive any further patch, I need to buy all the addons?

and there will be no patches from now on until all those addons are released? I think those USN pilot will be very disappointed...asymetric yaw when firing gun indeed need immediate attention.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

One of these packs will supposedly have Japanese planes in it, so if fixes and new planes aren't enough incentive for USN pilots, there is always CFS 2.

nicolas10
03-31-2006, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:No you confused man http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They actually did the right thing. Someone help poor Nic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Nic

Toten_Waffe
03-31-2006, 09:44 AM
Has anybody still got any official info on how and where we will be able to buy these updates outside of Russia???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Don_X
03-31-2006, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SATAN_23rd:
DO you have anything in english? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

from "Babelfish"
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Babel Fish Translation Help

In English:
the "histories of dive bomber" - that long-awaited is addition for a series of military history aviasimulyatorov "Il-2 the attack aircraft: The forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ", because of which you will be able to sit down at the steering control of the most known Soviet dive bomber P -2 and the heavy destroyer P -3. New static campaigns tell about the combat work of "pawns" from front and naval aviation in the sky above the Kursk salient, Baltikoy, by the Baltic States and by Berlin. Two of the represented campaigns are dedicated to the actions of Soviet destroyers and attack aircraft above Orel and Carpathians. Special features of the game * 4 modifications P -2 and 2 modifications P -3, accessible for control of the player * 15 new objects: the anti-aircraft guns, heavy artillery and the ground-based technology * 4 new static campaigns for VVS OF RKKA - WORKERS' AND PEASANTS' RED ARMY (total duration - 95 missions), created on the basis of the real historical events * 5 missions for the joint passage and 5 single missions * 66 new schematics of the coloring of the aircraft * 8 black and white rollers Attention! For installation and starting of the addition of the "histories of dive bomber" is required the preset of three games: "Il-2 the attack aircraft: Forgotten battles "," aces in the sky "and" Pearl Harbor ". Given addition can be established above any version of the united game, beginning from 3.0 and to 4..04m, including DVD the version of ya..0yam. (subsequent additions they can be established only above the "histories of the dive bomber" of version 4..05m) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

crazyivan1970
03-31-2006, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Toten_Waffe:
Has anybody still got any official info on how and where we will be able to buy these updates outside of Russia???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UBI should be posting it on their news page when addon is going to print. Keep checking teh news http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mllaneza
03-31-2006, 11:08 AM
I've previously said that I'd cheerfully pay for the Pe-2 when it comes out.

Nobody actually cares, but I['m in for all the add-ons. Gods, I've wanted this add-on since the first time I went after a Pe-2 in a 109 thinking "cool, twin-engine bird = easy prey".

Grey_Mouser67
03-31-2006, 11:13 AM
So...will the AI be updated, tweaked, improved or in any way changed from the current state?

JG53Frankyboy
03-31-2006, 11:25 AM
well, after the Pe2 Release or even after the IL10 AdOn release there will be a free patch , with at leastthe Burma, Norway and Slovakia map and hopefully the Tialy Map.

to use these maps, you will have to have at least 1 on the to buy AdOns . depends on when the free patch will come.
it will be sure not possible to install the maps in a 4.04 version !

i have to repeat, we had this "split community" discussion all the time before a "to pay" AdOn releae - so WTF !?!?!

notamuppet
03-31-2006, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
3) As far as I understood, each next addon will require previous installed. For example: Pe-2 requires version 404m installed, IL-10 will require Pe-2 installed and VVS-1946 will require Pe-2 and IL-10 install. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh dear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif NOW I HAVE to buy them ALL!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

F19_Orheim
03-31-2006, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I'm not confused in the least nor do I think I will split the community. If you want to fly online, you'll get them.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dunno, I reckon that the majoirty of HL servers and users will stick to 4.04 and any patchs for just Il2:FB+Aces+PF.

I've got enough space for 5 different installs..ugh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



There wont be any more patches for merged version (fb+aep+pf alone). Patches that are released after the addons will only be applicable if you have that set up. Thus patches realeased after pe2 will only be useful if u have fb+aep+pf+pe2 and so on. This is what I have understood anyway and makes sense.

SATAN_23rd
03-31-2006, 12:34 PM
is this for IL2FB+AEP+PF or BoB?

PBNA-Boosher
03-31-2006, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SATAN_23rd:
is this for IL2FB+AEP+PF or BoB? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is for Il2+AEP+PF, although I think we're better off calling it just "The IL2 series."

GoGamer-Jason
03-31-2006, 03:35 PM
Hey guys,

I'm working feverishly to find out when and what is the deal with the add-on in the USA. More soon.

We'll definitely carry it.

Jason

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-31-2006, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
This is for Il2+AEP+PF, although I think we're better off calling it just "The IL2 series." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I prefer PFm or PFmerged. No misunderstanding there.


TB

woofiedog
04-01-2006, 01:50 AM
Pe-3... is this aircraft being added to the first disc or later disc's?


http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/wwii/pe3.gif

Aircraft : Pe-3bis
Year : 1940
Engine : 2 x M-105PA , 1050 hrs.pwr.
Wingspan : 17.20 m
Length : 12.70 m
Weight : 8040 kg
Max. speed : 530 km/h
Ceiling : 9100 m
Range : 2150 km
Crew : 2
Armament : 1x20mm + 3x12.7mm + 1x7.62mm guns

MadBadVlad
04-01-2006, 04:14 AM
Two variants of The PE-3 will be included in the PE-2 addon

96th_Nightshifter
04-01-2006, 04:39 AM
Great news - Think I'm just gonna have to buy them all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I don't see a problem with anybody in the US getting a hold of these as us Brits will no doubt have to get it the same way as you guys i.e. either downloading it (if the option is there) or ordering it through the net (which is the way I got AEP and Pacific Fighters) - don't worry us Brits are in the same boat as you guys.

Capt.England
04-01-2006, 05:22 AM
My two `Game` shops in Leicester (England) are very good with having flight sim stuff. If I can't get it from there, I use `R.C. Simulations` on the web. A A1 firm who will bend over backwards if you have any problems with stuff you buy from them. Also, they are very fast at shipping the goods to you.

As for the moaners on here who say they don't what this or that plane, show some support to 1C games and Oleg. Just think about what free stuff the team has given us all! It's about time we put our money where our months are. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
04-01-2006, 05:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.England:
It's about time we put our money where our months are. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which month do you suggest? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

woofiedog
04-01-2006, 06:09 AM
MadBadVlad... Extremely Good news... Thank's for the info.

Another Twin Fighter... Mint!

VW-IceFire
04-01-2006, 06:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I'm not confused in the least nor do I think I will split the community. If you want to fly online, you'll get them.


TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dunno, I reckon that the majoirty of HL servers and users will stick to 4.04 and any patchs for just Il2:FB+Aces+PF.

I've got enough space for 5 different installs..ugh. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



There wont be any more patches for merged version (fb+aep+pf alone). Patches that are released after the addons will only be applicable if you have that set up. Thus patches realeased after pe2 will only be useful if u have fb+aep+pf+pe2 and so on. This is what I have understood anyway and makes sense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually there will be....the Norway, Burma, MTO-MP (Italy map), and Mossie Mark FB.VI 1944 (with more powerful engines and rockets) are all due in a free patch. That is what was indicated to us...those maps will not ship with the retail products. Mind you...I imagine they will appear during or after the releases meaning that you will need to buy them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I fully expect that the online servers will keep up with the new version numbers as they are released. It may be fractured for a little while but by the end of the summer we'll all be on 4.09 or something...

F19_Orheim
04-01-2006, 06:49 AM
Yes, what i meant was there there will be no more patches for those of us that choose not to buy the addons. Same situation as if you only have FB and AEP now... "no soup" for themhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know there will be things for free but if they are released after Pe2 addon you need a fb+aep+pf+pe2merge for it to work... This is how ian said it would be at SimHQ

VW-IceFire
04-01-2006, 07:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
Yes, what i meant was there there will be no more patches for those of us that choose not to buy the addons. Same situation as if you only have FB and AEP now... "no soup" for themhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I know there will be things for free but if they are released after Pe2 addon you need a fb+aep+pf+pe2merge for it to work... This is how ian said it would be at SimHQ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ahh ok...

Right that seemed perfectly logical to me. If you want to get more patches you've gotta get the new products. Oleg thankfully doesn't charge us $10 a month to use the game so every year or so having to spend maybe $40 isn't that much to ask in comparison. I think these addons are a lovely little thing and I would argue with someone who said they weren't "interested" in the subject matter in the addon - these are the price of "doing business" as it were.

I know alot of people didn't buy Pacific Fighters right away either...which I thought was just strange. Even if they didn't "like" the Pacific...that was the price of staying with the product...particularly for online play. Offline you can do whatever you want http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

scottmal1
04-01-2006, 08:19 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
'Offline you can do whatever you want'

I play totally offline but it has'nt stopped me purchasing most of the previous 3rd party add-ons, i cannot wait for the pe-2 and il-10 add-ons, this is great news.

AKA_TAGERT
04-01-2006, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PBNA-Boosher:
Yikes, well, I'd want option 3, but that means a serious split in the community! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


The beauty of IL2 Boosher, it`s registry independend. You can have as many installs as you want http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gifSo, i dont see a big problem with split of the community as LONG AS EVERYTHING IS RELEASED around the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Good point.. now the only thing we need is for HL to have seperate rooms or multi links to the exe so we dont have to keep redoing the link or renaming the directory

goshikisen
04-01-2006, 09:37 AM
I've never quite understood the "I'm not interested in that plane so I can't see myself buying the addon" perspective.

I'm a World War 2 Aviation enthusiast... I'm interested in all of it. If anything I see FB and the upcoming Add-ons as a way of becoming better informed about a pocket of history that I may not have known about.

Buy the add-ons and you'll be ensuring many years of interesting history lessons.

Nimits
04-01-2006, 10:43 AM
Just for those that won't be buying Pe-2 right off the bat, I sort of wished that they'd stopped off with a better patch version, offline play-wise speaking. The super-E AI and asymetric recoil on USN planes were major problems that didn't exist in 4.02 or 4.03, and it would have been nice to fix them for the Complete Edition (and the potential new players it will bring in).

|CoB|_Spectre
04-01-2006, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
The...asymetric recoil on USN planes were major problems that didn't exist in 4.02 or 4.03, and it would have been nice to fix them for the Complete Edition (and the potential new players it will bring in). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As long as the gun-induced yaw in the USN aircraft is touted as a "feature", it'll likely not be fixed in subsequent releases be they paid for or free.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
I've never quite understood the "I'm not interested in that plane so I can't see myself buying the addon" perspective.

I'm a World War 2 Aviation enthusiast... I'm interested in all of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Which is a highly personal thing. There are aspects of WWII, including aviation, in which I have interests of varying degrees. The next paid add-on supplies a few more objects, some skins, some canned missions and two VVS aircraft with one additional variant each. The Pe-2 has been long awaited by VVS fans and will no doubt be a welcome addition to the stable. There's talk of a Japanese aircraft or two down the road, not sure if AI or flyable, but one gets the impression most of what will be offered from here on will be VVS. Previous releases offered aircraft from Allied and Axis. It appears we have entered a new phase.

goshikisen
04-01-2006, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |CoB|_Spectre:
There's talk of a Japanese aircraft or two down the road, not sure if AI or flyable, but one gets the impression most of what will be offered from here on will be VVS. Previous releases offered aircraft from Allied and Axis. It appears we have entered a new phase. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Manchuria update will apparently add:

Flyable:
--------
Ki-27ko
Ki-27Otsu
Ki-43-II (early and late)
J2M5
N1K2-Ja

AI only:
--------
Ki-21-I
Ki-21-IIko
A5M4
B6N2

Looks like a fair number of Japanese aircraft on the horizon.

Nimits
04-01-2006, 02:21 PM
The B6N and (I think) the Ki-21 were in Il-2 Compare built off the 4.05 (Pe-2?) version, so I'm still sort of hoping the Pe-2 add-on will have those as AI (would do alot for Philippine Sea and Singapore campaigns).

LEXX_Luthor
04-01-2006, 06:05 PM
Yes, I have forgotten about that B6N cockpit. That will make a much needed addition. I know they are having problems with the complicated gunner position, but if that means no Flyable B6N, then they need to just make the B6N "Field Mod" with only pilot position -- like IL-2 Field Mod version that also does not have gunner position available to players.

|CoB|_Spectre
04-01-2006, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
The Manchuria update will apparently add:

Flyable:
--------
Ki-27ko
Ki-27Otsu
Ki-43-II (early and late)
J2M5
N1K2-Ja

AI only:
--------
Ki-21-I
Ki-21-IIko
A5M4
B6N2

Looks like a fair number of Japanese aircraft on the horizon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That will certainly be a good thing. I don't recall CrazyIvan's or SaQSoN's post covering which release (Pe-2, IL-10 or VVS-46) might include a Manchuria update, so we'll have to wait and see. Lexx_Luthor's suggestion for the B6N should be do-able and would fill an important need.

I am somewhat surprised we've not seen a groundswell of objections from the people who used to chide everyone for asking Oleg for more planes or corrective patches because it would surely delay release of BoB. I'm even more surprised Oleg has apparently assigned more than one programmer away from the BoB project to add to the supposedly deadend FB line. I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

SaQSoN
04-01-2006, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I don't recall CrazyIvan's or SaQSoN's post covering which release (Pe-2, IL-10 or VVS-46) might include a Manchuria </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what do you think, if the second add-on will be called "Sturmoviks over Manchuria"?

The B6N cockpit was never even started, so what are you talking about?

Nimits
04-01-2006, 11:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yes, I have forgotten about that B6N cockpit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was talking AI, not flyable. Anyway, as flyable torpedo bombers go, the B6N would have been the least useful and most dangerous to fly for offline careers (not that I would have complained if they had been able to make a cockpit . . .). As a target in for Philippine Sea and Okinawa Intercept missions, though, it would be very nice.

I'm not really counting on it (or the Ki-21) till the Il-10 Manchuria add-on, but it's in the 4.05 version of Il2 compare, and there's been word that they are adding some stuff in to the Pe-2 version for the non-Russian market, so I'm hopeful.

SaQSoN
04-02-2006, 05:54 AM
Pe-2 add-on will not contain any other new planes, except the Pe-2/3 itself.

CD_kp84yb
04-02-2006, 05:58 AM
kewl another twin engine groundpounder, bring it on.
Now where to buy it in this lame Netherlands?
Let the search begin.

A big cheers for the next addons (yup i wil get(buy) them all) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Feathered_IV
04-02-2006, 06:34 AM
Its not where to get it. Its how to get it on the very first day of release that is the trick http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

|CoB|_Spectre
04-02-2006, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
And what do you think, if the second add-on will be called "Sturmoviks over Manchuria"?

The B6N cockpit was never even started, so what are you talking about? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for clearing that up. This is the first time "Sturmoviks over Manchuria" has been mentioned in this thread. Previous posts by you and CrazyIvan spoke of Pe-2, IL-10 and VVS-46, so this is the first time I've seen a working title associated with it and one cannot infer a connection with Manchuria based purely on the information given before your last entry.

If you do a forum search you'll find this:

"Oleg:: quote: US torpedo bombers there wll be no of them already. Japanese - Yes. In time I hope that is the Flyable B6N that Zneg is working over the PF. ..."

The entire post is truncated by the search engine for obvious reasons and when you click on it to see the rest of the post, it appears to have been altered. Still, there is reason to believe a B6N flyable was, at some point, under construction.

VW-IceFire
04-02-2006, 08:27 AM
The AI B6N will at least be useful for my Marianas campaign. I was sort of holding off making or finishing that campaign until that arrived...its taken longer than I expected but I think it will be useful.

I was half considering getting someone to skin a Kate or Val to look more 1944 IJNAF but this would be better.

heywooood
04-02-2006, 09:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
Pe-2 add-on will not contain any other new planes, except the Pe-2/3 itself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SaQSon - thanks for continuing to post on this board...I am grateful for any accurate info I can get on developements for this sim.

Do you know if there will be patches for these addons to address bug issues? or will bugs be addressed in each subsequent addon c/d?...

Or if there will be other patches aside from IanBoys excellent maps/campaigns?

..or do these 3 addons represent the last 'official' work to be done on FB/PF and all 1c efforts afterward to be committed to S.O.W. ?

Thanks again for continuing to visit the zoo.

Nimits
04-02-2006, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I was half considering getting someone to skin a Kate or Val to look more 1944 IJNAF but this would be better. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The "Green".bmp" D3A skin and the "Shokaku.bmp" for the B5N2 that come with Pacific Fighters are pretty much what they would have worn at Philippine Sea.

SaQSoN
04-02-2006, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Do you know if there will be patches for these addons to address bug issues? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hopefully - not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But if there will be critical bugs found, then they will be adressed in a free downloadable patch/bug fix. But this is obvious, I guess.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Or if there will be other patches aside from IanBoys excellent maps/campaigns? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Not only Ian Boys makes maps. Much probably, the user made maps and some aircraft still left over will be added by additional free add-on. When it will be released is another question. I tend to believe, it will be after the release of the last commercial add-on. However, it is my own opinion and I don't know any exact plans, regarding this.
2. As of Ian's campaigns - it is completely 3rd party project, which does not require participation of the 1C:MG. Therefore, any changes to this part of the game may be implemented even after the 1C's official end of support of the IL-2 series.

Basically, support of the IL-2 series ends with this 3 add-ons.

Yet, as I stated above there still will be possible addition of user made maps (that are currently under construction) and planes (that were already supplied to the 1C, but still weren't added to the game).

heywooood
04-02-2006, 12:01 PM
yes 'critical' bugs ofcourse...good.

my concern is that proven issues such as are suported with hard evidence WRT roll rates, engine power etc - those kinds of 'bugs' - which aren't bugs so much as 'deviations' from R/L to sim ...but I guess things will have to change once S.O.W. is on the table - but it is good to hear that critical bugs will be corrected as they have been - always a main strength of these sims in particular. Thanks SaQSon.

My thoughts are that this sim, and the modification of WWI that GT is working on, will be very popular even well after 1c S.O.W. is released...

ZeroMaster1941
04-02-2006, 07:46 PM
hey saqson could you tell us what plane will be or may be in the il10 add on?

especialy what japanese planes...

SaQSoN
04-02-2006, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> hey saqson could you tell us what plane will be or may be in the il10 add on?

especialy what japanese planes... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I already told you.

269GA-Veltro
04-03-2006, 02:52 AM
Claude AI? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

BTW, PF without torpedo carrier bombers is dead.....
Really i don't understand this. Manchuria could be the last chance for us to fly the Kate, but we'll have the Tenzan AI.

The Battle of Midway with the Kate flyable could be the new life for PF, with real air naval operations against the USN carriers.

My disappoint for this decision.

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 06:56 AM
A5M as AI........... why not?
sure it would be nice to have a pit for it too.
but its realy not an the topten list i think.

Nomonhan/Mandchuria was a VVS vs IJAAF thing AFAIK, the Ki-27 will get a pit http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A5M in WW2 were in the beginn of the Phillipines, no map in game, and on board of the Shoho during the CoralSea battle.

they should put their time in something more worth ............

269GA-Veltro
04-03-2006, 07:56 AM
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank.

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 08:49 AM
sure, on dogfight servers there is a big miss of flyable carrierbased assault planes......

in COOP and singleplayer campaigns these AI controlled planes are serving very well to get the battle started !

XyZspineZyX
04-03-2006, 08:51 AM
I am looking forward to the IL10 expantion, this includes some much needed japanese fighters. I will be buying all 3 expantions, with the amount of effort the community puts into this sim one could expect a dgen campaign for the PE2 & PE3 to be developed & you can look forward to some very intense Luftwaffe ws WS 1946 campaigns, the posibilities are endless.
The inclusion of the Shiden Kai tops the Japanese fighter list, I have wanted to virtual fly this beast since the conception of PF & even considered by CFS 2 to do this, looks like patience is being rewarded.

Its going to be a good year
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

F19_Orheim
04-03-2006, 09:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't agree less with you. Of course I would LOVE to see more dive/torpedo bombers, but I still find the planes on the PF front rather intriguing and fun - and will get even better with the upcoming Burma map... Cr@pplane lovers rejoice! Lots of different scenarios can be played... The KI's are much appreciated... as would a Kate behttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

csThor
04-03-2006, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
...
2. As of Ian's campaigns - it is completely 3rd party project, which does not require participation of the 1C:MG.
... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I may butt in here. In fact a little support from Maddox Games would be quite necessary as all "campaign slots" for the germans and soviets are talen (CampaignsDe & CampaignsRu 0-9 and A-Z). According to Starshoy Maddox Games would have to change the code to allow for 2 or even 3 digits/letters as code for campaigns. This would allow for additional DGen campaigns - right now the code base for the germans is even overused (The Last Days collides here with Ostfront).

269GA-Veltro
04-03-2006, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't agree less with you. Of course I would LOVE to see more dive/torpedo bombers, but I still find the planes on the PF front rather intriguing and fun - and will get even better with the upcoming Burma map... Cr@pplane lovers rejoice! Lots of different scenarios can be played... The KI's are much appreciated... as would a Kate behttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not for me sorry....
PF is first of all air naval battles, and without the Kate flyable we can't do it as japanese. There is no way to attack the USN fleet.

No thank, no more PF for me.

Amagi
04-03-2006, 10:40 AM
csThor- the Americans have both Un (Navy) and Us (Army) as codes, is it possible to have different nationality designations instead? Dt, Dh etc. could be used for Germany as well as De. Ne would have been better than Du for the Dutch, though.

jasonbirder
04-03-2006, 10:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Not for me sorry....
PF is first of all air naval battles, and without the Kate flyable we can't do it as japanese. There is no way to attack the USN fleet.

No thank, no more PF for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah right..of course Carrier vs Carrier engagements made up the majority of what went on in the PTO didn't it...

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't agree less with you. Of course I would LOVE to see more dive/torpedo bombers, but I still find the planes on the PF front rather intriguing and fun - and will get even better with the upcoming Burma map... Cr@pplane lovers rejoice! Lots of different scenarios can be played... The KI's are much appreciated... as would a Kate behttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not for me sorry....
PF is first of all air naval battles, and without the Kate flyable we can't do it as japanese. There is no way to attack the USN fleet.

No thank, no more PF for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

there were 5 Carrier airbattles in the whole WW2 wartime - and if you would use torpedos as B5N armament you would need more planes to sink a carrier, at least 6 , than D3A with full bombload (5 planes if all bombs hit) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
nevertheless it was fun to bring the Pacific alive in VOW2 (i build ~90% of all PTO missions in that event) with the given planeset, even it was not flown much.

but sure, everyone is free to have his own opinion.
im looking forwad to the Ki27 , fighting with it over Manchuria vs I-16&153, over Singapore the Hurricanes and Buffaloes and over Burma the AVG with its Hawk81 (even the Burma map has no Rangoon on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

Chef-Scott
04-03-2006, 12:02 PM
Can anyone inform us of the possible price for each of these add-ons?

269GA-Veltro
04-03-2006, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't agree less with you. Of course I would LOVE to see more dive/torpedo bombers, but I still find the planes on the PF front rather intriguing and fun - and will get even better with the upcoming Burma map... Cr@pplane lovers rejoice! Lots of different scenarios can be played... The KI's are much appreciated... as would a Kate behttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not for me sorry....
PF is first of all air naval battles, and without the Kate flyable we can't do it as japanese. There is no way to attack the USN fleet.

No thank, no more PF for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

there were 5 Carrier airbattles in the whole WW2 wartime - and if you would use torpedos as B5N armament you would need more planes to sink a carrier, at least 6 , than D3A with full bombload (5 planes if all bombs hit) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
nevertheless it was fun to bring the Pacific alive in VOW2 (i build ~90% of all PTO missions in that event) with the given planeset, even it was not flown much.

but sure, everyone is free to have his own opinion.
im looking forwad to the Ki27 , fighting with it over Manchuria vs I-16&153, over Singapore the Hurricanes and Buffaloes and over Burma the AVG with its Hawk81 (even the Burma map has no Rangoon on it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll buy the addons only to support the Maddox games, but i don't care nothing about these addons. We have asked to many times for the Kate, and we'll have the LaGG jets and Mig-13.

Good...great idea!

GerritJ9
04-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Is there any word (official or otherwise) as to when (or if) the CW-21B, F2A-3, D.XXI and B-534 will be introduced?

Ki.27 and Ki.21 sound great and will add some more possible scenarios for early war S.E. Asia missions!

Tooz_69GIAP
04-03-2006, 03:44 PM
Well, with these aircraft like the Fokker, and Avia, and so on, because they were modelled and sent to 1C:Maddox for no payment, this means they cannot be released within a product that has a price tag, i.e. the forthcoming add-ons.

There will be at least one free patch which will include the Norway map, with objects, and the Burma map is nearly done I think, and then there's the Slovakia map, and the Italy dogfight map. Expect to see these aircraft you mention in this, or possibly another patch.

Of course, exactly what will be released I have no idea. We might get the Fokker, we may not, we may get the CW-21b, we may not. We'll just have to wait and see.

|CoB|_Spectre
04-03-2006, 04:25 PM
Since the three pay-for addons require each to be installed in order to install the next, would anyone hazard a guess as to what version requirements will be needed to install the free maps (Burman, Slovakia, etc)? I would hope anything from 4.04 and up, but it's all getting rather complicated since the news of the paid addons.

JG53Frankyboy
04-03-2006, 04:35 PM
i would say after the IL10/Manchuria AdOn - so that nobody in the western world would be forced to buy something with early jetplanes from a country with less interest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


to be serious, few can tell, and those who propably could, will not in this early stage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
so it can also be that after these 3 Adon will be a last big patch (with that maps) .
IanBoys assumed that the Burma map would be 4.07. and the Ki21/27 wwould be 4.06 (IL10/Manchuria) - but he also does not know for sure.....

I-Inhaled
04-03-2006, 06:02 PM
Hello Everyone,


Been away for a long time. I ordered the Complete DVD version from GoGamers to support the crew. I am anxiously awaiting the release fo p2/p3. Look forward to seeing you guys in the skies.

Take care.

Thanks Jason

Tooz_69GIAP
04-03-2006, 06:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
i would say after the IL10/Manchuria AdOn - so that nobody in the western world would be forced to buy something with early jetplanes from a country with less interest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


to be serious, few can tell, and those who propably could, will not in this early stage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
so it can also be that after these 3 Adon will be a last big patch (with that maps) .
IanBoys assumed that the Burma map would be 4.07. and the Ki21/27 wwould be 4.06 (IL10/Manchuria) - but he also does not know for sure..... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that sounds about right, based on posts from Ian over at SimHQ, but he did say he wasn't entirely sure himself. He did say that the Japanese planes should be available before the Burma map is released, so I'd expect to see a patch with at least the Burma map, with whatever else comes with it, after the IL-10/Manchuria add-on is released.

However, we will have to wait and see what actually does come.

Feathered_IV
04-03-2006, 06:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Hooo i can't wait for the Ki-27.....

Sorry mate, but sincerly PF is no more interesting for me. Torpedo carrier bombers would have given new life to PF, i don't think that a flyable Ki-27 could be considered an improvement for PF...

We have lost the last chanche to have a great scenary for the PF, Avenger or not. Dauntless is enough to sunk a Japanese carrier, but without the Kate flyable we can't play as Japanese against the USN fleet.

No Midway, no air naval battles? Ki-27....no thank. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I couldn't agree less with you. Of course I would LOVE to see more dive/torpedo bombers, but I still find the planes on the PF front rather intriguing and fun - and will get even better with the upcoming Burma map... Cr@pplane lovers rejoice! Lots of different scenarios can be played... The KI's are much appreciated... as would a Kate behttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree Orheim, there is more to the Far East than just carrier combat. The Manchuria scenario fits very nicely with the forgotten battles theme. An excellent choice I think with some very welcome aircraft.

Grey_Mouser67
04-03-2006, 06:51 PM
Maybe the third time will be the charm....

Will the new add on feature 4.04 AI or will it be an adjusted/improved version?

goshikisen
04-03-2006, 08:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
We have asked to many times for the Kate, and we'll have the LaGG jets and Mig-13.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You must keep in mind that there are no complete B5N's in existance... (not entirely true... I think there are 1 or 2 corroded hunks of scrap metal out there) and no definitive information on cockpit layout.

I'd like to have seen a Kate... but if we're really going to be critical about it I don't think the ship AI is anywhere near good enough for Torpedo use to be interesting.

Nimits
04-03-2006, 09:10 PM
99.999% of us would have been happy with a TLR (aviation speak for "This Looks Right") cockpit. Without blueprints, sure it might not have been 100% accurate, but then again, who could prove differently? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh well.

SaQSoN
04-04-2006, 12:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">99.999% of us would have been happy with a TLR (aviation speak for "This Looks Right") cockpit. Without blueprints, sure it might not have been 100% accurate, but then again, who could prove differently? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you could also tell us, how one can build without blueprints or photos...

It's something, like "go there, I don't know where and bring me something, I don't know what" situation.

actionhank1786
04-04-2006, 03:09 AM
Wooooooooohoooooooooo!
April 17 is my birthday!
I'll be 20...and locked in my room with the game en-route! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
04-04-2006, 04:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">99.999% of us would have been happy with a TLR (aviation speak for "This Looks Right") cockpit. Without blueprints, sure it might not have been 100% accurate, but then again, who could prove differently? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you could also tell us, how one can build without blueprints or photos...

It's something, like "go there, I don't know where and bring me something, I don't know what" situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Feathered_IV
04-04-2006, 05:28 AM
You can make intelligent postulations of what goes where, based on known components that were standard in a particular aircraft cockpit or in its contemporaries (Gunsights are well documented artifacts. As are Mitsubishi seats, rudder pedals, joysticks and favoured instruments, radio and oxygen apparatus).
You can study design trends in cockpit layout from Mitsubishi for informed descisions on component location. You can identify what cabling each component required and place it in a logical way. You can assign it a colour based on its function. You can even assign a colour to the cockpit based on contemporary research.

Archaeologists and paleoentologists make stunning recreations based on far less information than this.

Bartolomeo_ita
04-04-2006, 05:29 AM
i didn't read every pages (no time sorry)

how much? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GerritJ9
04-04-2006, 05:49 AM
I checked my Profile Publications collection, and unfortunately No. 141: B5N "Kate" does not contain any cockpit photos at all. On the bright side, however, No. 171: TBD Devastator DOES contain some cockpit pics!!! I will scan the publication and mail it to 1C. Probably too late for PF, but it may be useful for PF's BoB-based successor.

SaQSoN
04-04-2006, 06:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You can make intelligent postulations of what goes where, based on known components that were standard in a particular aircraft cockpit or in its contemporaries (Gunsights are well documented artifacts. As are Mitsubishi seats, rudder pedals, joysticks and favoured instruments, radio and oxygen apparatus).
You can study design trends in cockpit layout from Mitsubishi for informed descisions on component location. You can identify what cabling each component required and place it in a logical way. You can assign it a colour based on its function. You can even assign a colour to the cockpit based on contemporary research.

Archaeologists and paleoentologists make stunning recreations based on far less information than this </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. May be you will do that work and produce high quality detailed plans for this cockpits? No?
I'll tell you what: it is always easy to give advises. Yet, it's much more difficult to do it by yourself...

crazyivan1970
04-04-2006, 06:32 AM
Even i scared of SaQSoN now hehe. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WOLFMondo
04-04-2006, 06:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
99.999% of us would have been happy with a TLR (aviation speak for "This Looks Right") cockpit. Without blueprints, sure it might not have been 100% accurate, but then again, who could prove differently? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A former Kate pilot, fitter, rear gunner, factory worker, ferry pilot...that is if there are any still alive today and if they actually don't mind talking about it.

Dean3238
04-04-2006, 06:55 AM
Is something like a generic cockpit (clearly marked as such) possible? Something to fill in until a real can be made or permanently if it can't? One size fits all, to reduce the workload, but makes existing AI aircraft flyable?

Dean

SaQSoN
04-04-2006, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dean3238:
Is something like a generic cockpit (clearly marked as such) possible? Something to fill in until a real can be made or permanently if it can't? One size fits all, to reduce the workload, but makes existing AI aircraft flyable? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it's not possible. Because, the cockpit position relatively to the aircraft CG, size of windows, gunsight position, size of the cockpit relatively to the fuselage size, position and range of movement of the guns for the gunner staion - all this metter.
So, even if there will be done a generic cockpit for, say single-seat fighter, it will have to be adjusted for each particular aircraft individually.
Certainly, that would be easier, then making authentic cockpit for each of them, yet it still takes a huge ammount of work.

Besides, there will not be any new planes or cockpits produced for this game, except those, planned in the said add-ons.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-04-2006, 07:24 AM
The information IS out there...somewhere. SaQson makes a very good point in that there definitely ARE limits to the research that can be done (you know, the whole return on invstment thing). At what point does the expended effort become greater than the return? I certainly can't answer that question as I have absolutely no clue how to model or write code.

If it were my sole responsibility to gather the necessary intricate details, then I have all confidence I could do it, but if I were getting paid a fixed amount for the information, I would have to draw a line somewhere delineating the limit of diminishing returns.

FeatheredIV, your offer is genuine, I'm sure and you could probably do the necessary research, but your question about "I'll do it if you can say it will be included" refers to your own limit does it not?


TB

Feathered_IV
04-04-2006, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You can make intelligent postulations of what goes where, based on known components that were standard in a particular aircraft cockpit or in its contemporaries (Gunsights are well documented artifacts. As are Mitsubishi seats, rudder pedals, joysticks and favoured instruments, radio and oxygen apparatus).
You can study design trends in cockpit layout from Mitsubishi for informed descisions on component location. You can identify what cabling each component required and place it in a logical way. You can assign it a colour based on its function. You can even assign a colour to the cockpit based on contemporary research.

Archaeologists and paleoentologists make stunning recreations based on far less information than this </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok. May be you will do that work and produce high quality detailed plans for this cockpits? No?
I'll tell you what: it is always easy to give advises. Yet, it's much more difficult to do it by yourself... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sir, if a request for such works had been made to to myself or to the community, I would have happily responded (I mean this respectfully and do not wish to provoke you in any way).

If I may ask though, while we are speaking of such things. Would policy change with BoB? Is it possible that extinct aircraft could be brought back to life so to speak and included? If cockpits were created using all available sources and 3rd party reconstructions?
It'd be a great thing if this were possible http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Edit: Sorry Thunderbolt, I was editing my post as you were typing too! I did offer to do so but thought it would be seen as impertinence when the deadline has been announced many times already. Hence the edit.

However, If 3rd party reconstructions were to be considered as admissable reference for extinct birds in the future. I most definitely will offer my services to this.

Dean3238
04-04-2006, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Certainly, that would be easier, then making authentic cockpit for each of them, yet it still takes a huge ammount of work. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough.

Too bad there wasn't so much of a problem with rights and earnings for 1C's hard work, or it might be useful for the community to provide the work... I'm sure there are some excellent modelers out there who would kill for the chance to build for the game.

Unfortnately, that would also mean making the system open to folks who would steal it or ideas from it and rip them off w/o payment to those who dedicated so many hours to creating it in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Congrats on this wonderful peice of work... so good it makes us all want MORE!!!!

Dean

Andrew OConnor
04-04-2006, 09:14 AM
Where can I get this from?!?!?!
I live in the UK, and phone calls around local stors say they are not expecting it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Petey78
04-04-2006, 11:12 AM
I'm also in the UK and in the same situation as Andrew, I've bought everything up to date (apart from the combined DVD) without too much of a problem but nowhere can I see this forthcoming CD advertised. We're a couple of weeks off the release date, I have the money waiting and boy, do I want to buy this CD and yet nobody's advertising it, I'm beginning to get a bad feeling about this one....

Pete

Amagi
04-04-2006, 12:05 PM
Vladimir- thanks for making the Pe2 and subsequent addons available outside Russia. Any advice you have on the English release is welcome- will the title of the English version be 'Stories of a Dive Bomber'?

On the ship AI- The AA works. A ship can only turn or go straight ahead. Since no commander is going to manoeuvre to avoid one plane when there are several flights of attackers in the sky, the rest is dependent on mission builders and dynamic campaign design. I would prefer more smoke and explosions and longer sinking times, but I don't consider it to be a serious flaw. The vehicles don't drive to cover when attacked- isn't that worse?

goshikisen
04-04-2006, 03:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Amagi:
I would prefer more smoke and explosions and longer sinking times, but I don't consider it to be a serious flaw. The vehicles don't drive to cover when attacked- isn't that worse? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With a road, though, you've got a limited area for a vehicle to travel... of course military vehicles are meant to travel off road but when it came to convoys you'd find them sticking predominantly to the road.

With a ship... the ocean is your road and there's nowhere to hide. AA is, of course, a big part of it but if you look at any USN aerial photographs of actions against the IJN you'll find a great deal of maneuvering going on. There was a thread about a year ago that discussed this issue and I posted a number of photographs... here are a couple.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/zuikaku.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/musashi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/philipine.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/hiryu.jpg

Pacific Fighters ships can't move this way... they look incredibly "wrong" making the simplest of changes in direction and they are entirely dependant on a scripted route. Ideally the ships should have had a measure of AI that would allow them to change direction in unison and/or act independantly. Ships act like ground objects in this series... and IL2 ground objects have never been to travel along a smooth radius.

I've never really been too worried about Torpedo Bombers because a few fundamental pieces of the overall puzzle are missing... the targets don't respond anywhere near the way they should so their inclusion, at least for me, is a moot point.

Regards, Goshikisen.

frapeforte1
04-04-2006, 03:41 PM
Do you know who in the US will be selling this? Gamestop never heard of it. I would really like to get a copy of this.

Amagi
04-04-2006, 04:00 PM
Goshikisen- on the last photograph you can see the darker 'second wake' produced by the turn, one visual problem is that the game exaggerates this far too much and it might be better to eliminate it.

With the AI considerations involved in the decision to turn a formation, a scripted route might be better for this game- and formations weren't always manoeuvred correctly. A dynamic campaign with the right system could generate complicated scripted routes without having to change any of the code. The full turns might not be great, though the smaller ones can still be impressive.

VW-IceFire
04-04-2006, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by frapeforte1:
Do you know who in the US will be selling this? Gamestop never heard of it. I would really like to get a copy of this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I wouldn't recommend trying to get information out of any of those sorts of stores until Ubisoft actually officially acknowledges their part in this. So far only 1C has publically stated that they are publishing the game...and thats in the CIS markets (Russia and former Soviet states). Ubi has the rest of the world publishing rights and as far as I know there are no public annoucements yet. We know its coming...but we haven't seen it yet.

Until that happens...Gamestop is about as usful to you as a square peg in a round hole. And maybe even that useful after its acknowledged.

Nimits
04-04-2006, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
If you could also tell us, how one can build without blueprints or photos...

It's something, like "go there, I don't know where and bring me something, I don't know what" situation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Awww now, Aces of the Pacific, 1942: Pacific Air War, Warbirds, Combat Flight Simulator 2 Avhistory Addons, etc. all managed to come up with cockpits for the Kate. They were half make believe perhaps, but they had them. For example, one could base the front cockpit off a combination of the Oscar (Nakajima built both, and aircraft manfactures tend to use similar cockpit layouts when possible) and the Val (a sister carrier-bomber), using what photos of wrecks, etc that are available fill in some details. Sure, it wouldn't be 100% accurate, maybe not even 25% accurate, but then again no one would have known or cared either way, and the plane would have been flyable.

I know that's not the way Maddox has done things with the IL-2 series, I understand that making a 3D cockpit for a bomber in this game can be extremely difficult, and we all realize we are discussing spilt milk here. Still, it could have been done.

Maybe when I win the lottery and set up my own software company . . .

BTW, I do second Amagi in saying I'm very glad that the we the west are going to be able to purchase the new add-ons. I'm especially looking forward to the Mancharia expansion (and any cool IJAAF planes we get).

hotspace
04-04-2006, 05:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Petey78:
I'm also in the UK and in the same situation as Andrew, I've bought everything up to date (apart from the combined DVD) without too much of a problem but nowhere can I see this forthcoming CD advertised. We're a couple of weeks off the release date, I have the money waiting and boy, do I want to buy this CD and yet nobody's advertising it, I'm beginning to get a bad feeling about this one....

Pete </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, up to Monday I couldn't even find the combined DVD let alone news of the new Add-On coming out here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Lemky
04-04-2006, 09:14 PM
WOW can't wait {do you think they will have monthly payment plans for these updates]LOL.

-HH-Quazi
04-04-2006, 10:12 PM
What would be great, especially since these upcoming addons are basically patches? Would be to have a place host them for pay per download, seeing as every other patch release has been downloadable and hosted at Ubi up to this point. The only difference here is that these need to be paid for. Just like Martin did with the Pluswave addons of RoH, WoW, & WoJ recently. These are now available for download. And the way he set it up is as simple as it gets by just making the order on his website, then going to PayPal and sending payment to Pluswaves PayPal account. Afterwards, he sends you an email with a link to download it. As big as Ubi is, and seeing as they already have a store, it seems that this shouldn't be a problem. And it would definately help get this distributed around the world very quickly. Luck would have that you pre-order, then only so many show up at the place of business where you placed the pre-order. Then there will be some left out to wait every how many weeks it takes to get another order in. Pay per download is the way to go, of course this is only imho.

Copperhead310th
04-04-2006, 11:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Do you know if there will be patches for these addons to address bug issues? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hopefully - not. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But if there will be critical bugs found, then they will be adressed in a free downloadable patch/bug fix. But this is obvious, I guess.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Or if there will be other patches aside from IanBoys excellent maps/campaigns? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
1. Not only Ian Boys makes maps. Much probably, the user made maps and some aircraft still left over will be added by additional free add-on. When it will be released is another question. I tend to believe, it will be after the release of the last commercial add-on. However, it is my own opinion and I don't know any exact plans, regarding this.
2. As of Ian's campaigns - it is completely 3rd party project, which does not require participation of the 1C:MG. Therefore, any changes to this part of the game may be implemented even after the 1C's official end of support of the IL-2 series.

Basically, support of the IL-2 series ends with this 3 add-ons.

Yet, as I stated above there still will be possible addition of user made maps (that are currently under construction) and planes (that were already supplied to the 1C, but still weren't added to the game). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



SaQSoN , you said:

[Quote]Yet, as I stated above there still will be possible addition of user made maps (that are currently under construction) and planes (that were already supplied to the 1C, but still weren't added to the game).[QUOTE]

Do you have any idea what aircraft those might be, and are you at liberty to devulge that information if you DO know.

Thanks Vladimir

Copper'

faustnik
04-04-2006, 11:36 PM
Copperhead,

Is the Jg27 thing for real? If so, it must be snowing in Hell tonight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

SaQSoN
04-04-2006, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">if a request for such works had been made to to myself or to the community, I would have happily responded (I mean this respectfully and do not wish to provoke you in any way). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feathered_IV, why do you put conditions in here and speak of it in the past? Why you wouldn't just do it to prove, you can? Ok, it may not be usefull for the IL-2 line, but may be usefull for future games, or plastic modellers, etc.
Just try doing it to see, that it isn't that easy as it sounds. And not always may produce a required result at all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Vladimir- thanks for making the Pe2 and subsequent addons available outside Russia. Any advice you have on the English release is welcome- will the title of the English version be 'Stories of a Dive Bomber'? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all, thatnks go to Oleg and Ubi. It was their desision and will to publish this add-ons wordlwide. I am hardly a correct person to thank.
The English title will be, as far as I know "Pe-2 Peshka". The Russian title is selected to be sound close to an old, but popular Russian movie "Chronicles of the dive bomber".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">With a road, though, you've got a limited area for a vehicle to travel... of course military vehicles are meant to travel off road but when it came to convoys you'd find them sticking predominantly to the road.

With a ship... the ocean is your road and there's nowhere to hide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite, when we are speaking of AI in the game. Because programmers should take in account any possible situation in the game. For exhample, when a ship goes close to a shore, on in a narrow strait. To prevent AI doing something stupid, like moving through the land (which ships sometimes did in CFS2), programmers whould have to "teach" AI to detect land/water or shallow water. Which would require creation of a whole new set of AI routines. This definitely won't be made for the IL-2.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Awww now, Aces of the Pacific, 1942: Pacific Air War, Warbirds, Combat Flight Simulator 2 Avhistory Addons, etc. all managed to come up with cockpits for the Kate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, they didn't. What they was showing as Kate cockpit wasn't even close to what we can see on the scarse referece we have now.
Besides, do not forget, that what looked ok in 320x200 or 640x400 8- or 16-bit graphics 10 years ago, won't do the job nowdays.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you have any idea what aircraft those might be, and are you at liberty to devulge that information if you DO know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a secret. More over, most of the people here can name those, even without my help:

CW-21 with cockpit
Avia B-534 with cockpit
Letov S-328
Fokker D.XXI variants with cockpit for the Finnish version
Also possible G-55 and SM.79, but with less probability.

It also may happen, that any of the listed models will not be included. Everything depends on how much time 1C will have after the release of all 3 commercial add-ons.

269GA-Veltro
04-05-2006, 02:27 AM
I don't believe in the references problem for the kate cockpit; we have seen some very good pics about the Kate cockpit (Netwings) and after all these years i think it would have been possible complete it as said above.

They have decided to not include it....ok, but please don't say it was not possible.

I'll buy all the addons to thank Oleg and to support his work, but this time i don't say "THANK", "GREAT" or other. All my disappoint and delusion for the Kate.....PF without a torpedo carrier bomber flyable.....is simple incredible!

But we'll have a lot of russians UFO...for sure with a lot of historical cockpit references.

My apologies for these words, but really is a very big delusion for me.....take off from a carrier with my friends with Val, Kate and Zero...all togethers would have been simple fantastic!

SaQSoN
04-05-2006, 04:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't believe in the references problem for the kate cockpit; we have seen some very good pics about the Kate cockpit (Netwings) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Show me.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> and after all these years i think it would have been possible complete it as said above.

They have decided to not include it....ok, but please don't say it was not possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please, don't speak about things, you have no idea about. Or I have to call you an incompetent liar.

Feathered_IV
04-05-2006, 04:42 AM
Oh my God http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

269GA-Veltro
04-05-2006, 06:01 AM
No more available....

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1233.html

BTW you should have some of them.

Incompetent? This for sure, thank.

SaQSoN
04-05-2006, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No more available....
BTW you should have some of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have all the pictures, posted at this forum and much more.
And what? How does it make them enough, if there is absolutely no info on the following:

Pilot's cockpit right side;
Pilot's cockpit equipment and operation (what's where);
Pilot's cockpit canopy;
Navigator's cockpit left, right, front (with the instrument panel) and rear sides;
Navigator's seat;
Navigator's cockpit equipment and controls and their opration;
Navigator's canopy;
Gunner's cockpit front side with all the radio equipment;
Gunner's cockpit left and right sides;
gunner's cockpit floor;
Gunner's cockpit canopy;
Torpedo sight detailed design and operation.

Can you show me, where this refernce were published?

You see, unlike you, I have studied that subject closely and did, actually, gether the information for this plane to be competent enough to speak about it.
Not mentioning the fact, that I, as a modeller, know better, what reference is actually needed to build and implement this cockpit models into the game.
So, when I say, it's not enough, then it's not enough.

Beaufort-RAF
04-05-2006, 06:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:

It's not a secret. More over, most of the people here can name those, even without my help:

CW-21 with cockpit
Avia B-534 with cockpit
Letov S-328
Fokker D.XXI variants with cockpit for the Finnish version
Also possible G-55 and SM.79, but with less probability.

It also may happen, that any of the listed models will not be included. Everything depends on how much time 1C will have after the release of all 3 commercial add-ons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will a paid add-on or patch include the A-20C or has it been abandoned?

SaQSoN
04-05-2006, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will a paid add-on or patch include the A-20C </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

Beaufort-RAF
04-05-2006, 06:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will a paid add-on or patch include the A-20C </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the reply. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Lodovik
04-05-2006, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Archaeologists and paleoentologists make stunning recreations based on far less information than this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You've just given me a very good idea for a future research proposition, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mole_boy
04-05-2006, 07:11 AM
thanks for all the information provided. Much appreciated. Can ppl shut up about the Kate? if we were going to get it we would have got it by now.

Feathered_IV
04-05-2006, 07:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lodovik:

You've just given me a very good idea for a future research proposition, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, glad to oblige http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Be sure to let us know how it goes!

269GA-Veltro
04-05-2006, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">No more available....
BTW you should have some of them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have all the pictures, posted at this forum and much more.
And what? How does it make them enough, if there is absolutely no info on the following:

Pilot's cockpit right side;
Pilot's cockpit equipment and operation (what's where);
Pilot's cockpit canopy;
Navigator's cockpit left, right, front (with the instrument panel) and rear sides;
Navigator's seat;
Navigator's cockpit equipment and controls and their opration;
Navigator's canopy;
Gunner's cockpit front side with all the radio equipment;
Gunner's cockpit left and right sides;
gunner's cockpit floor;
Gunner's cockpit canopy;
Torpedo sight detailed design and operation.

Can you show me, where this refernce were published?

You see, unlike you, I have studied that subject closely and did, actually, gether the information for this plane to be competent enough to speak about it.
Not mentioning the fact, that I, as a modeller, know better, what reference is actually needed to build and implement this cockpit models into the game.
So, when I say, it's not enough, then it's not enough. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would like to know only if there were references at least for the Tenzan cockpit. Ok, it was a different aircraft, but "not enough" is better than "nothing". Now the point is, we have or not data about the Tenzan cockpit?

If not ok bye bye torpedo...but if we have good references at least for the Tenzan cockpit...why not? I'd prefer have a mix of a Tenzan and Kate cockpit than nothing. We have talked about the "historical cockpit problem" a lot of times (the same happened for the Pe-2 years ago if you remember and for the IL-4), but if you don't have alternative solutions sincerly i'd prefer have a semi-historical cockpit than nothing. Talking about a Kate i wouldn't have doubts about this.

A lot of people here would pay for a stand alone torpedo carrier addon....be sure.

Amagi
04-05-2006, 10:34 AM
Digital download might create new opportunities for PF. The two problems that the Grumman issue created were for the USS Yorktown model and the flyable Avenger. CFS2 was released without a Lexington, and the Essex class are much closer to the Yorktowns than the Lexingtons, so the first problem isn€t large. Having the torpedo bombers AI isn€t an issue for campaigns, either- they are the Pearl Harbor of flyables, attacking at slow speeds at low level over directed AA with a big explosive hung underneath. Even without CAP, it€s difficult to imagine a career in one. The Avenger was a good weapons platform for attacks on the islands of the defence perimeter, not a success against Japanese fleet units. An AI Judy might be more useful than a flyable Kate.

I would like to know the fate of the Devastator that appeared with the Claude and Jill, however- it would make/have made a good AI addition.

PF has many virtues- best carrier take-off/landing operations, best quality ship models, best weather, best FM. It suffers from poor frame rates- but this will be a declining factor- maps that are more suitable for missions than campaigns, and a shortage of ship types. A single American battleship, even of 1942 vintage, would have taken too much FPS in 2005, though the Japanese cruisers and battleships weren€t refitted with more AA until 1943/44 and the 1942 versions would allow better FPS. Next year€s frame rates might allow for the USS South Dakota to join a 1942 task force.

It must be easier to expand Pacific Fighters to Pacific Carrier Battles than WW1 air warfare. However, haven't we already had too many planes free- the Tempest, JU88, Mosquito, the Italian planes, the Betty- to begrudge modellers the planes that they want to add? It would be good to believe that, if the digital addons are a success, that there could be a possibility for a further expansion of PF with new ship models and maps. If there wasn€t, then we€ll still have a WW1 sim using the IL-2 engine- at last an up-to-date WW1 sim- and though Oleg has said that he can€t envisage returning to the Pacific with BoB until 2008/9, that€s hardly a wait of ages, in terms of the development of combat simulation games.

SaQSoN
04-05-2006, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would like to know only if there were references at least for the Tenzan cockpit. Ok, it was a different aircraft, but "not enough" is better than "nothing". Now the point is, we have or not data about the Tenzan cockpit? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The only B6N2 left in the world is in Japan. It's cockpit is non-existant. Just an empty shell with coroded and bent metal pieces inside. As far, as I know, there are plans for restoring it, but so far it is as I described. And the pieces of war-time manuals and photos, published in books (mainly Japanese origin) aren't enough to produce a model even of the pilot's cockpit, not speaking of navigator's or gunner positions.

There is no problem with the Pe-2, since several aircraft preserved, and at least one of them has very well preserved cockpit. Also, the original manuals exist and are accessible. All those materials were used for creation of the Pe-2 model.
I whish, we could have at least 1/4 of the Pe-2 material for the B5N or B6N.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">An AI Judy might be more useful than a flyable Kate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agree. But it will not happen for this game.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I would like to know the fate of the Devastator that appeared with the Claude and Jill </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dead.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It would be good to believe that, if the digital addons are a success, that there could be a possibility for a further expansion of PF with new ship models and maps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Success or not, it will never happen. Simply, because 1C doesn't have enough manpower to handle BoB and Pacific expansion simultaniously.
Even if we won't take in account, that standalone new tech project as BoB will be much more profitable, then an add-on for the outdated game, released several years ago.

Amagi
04-05-2006, 03:15 PM
Vladimir- There hasn€t been much advance publicity for the Peshka add-on, but it has been rumoured that new Eastern Front ground objects are included, mainly artillery and flak. Since the add-on has gone gold, can you release any details yet? Flak variation is welcome- the Soviet AAMG was very useful when it appeared, and I wondered if the Germans were getting one as well. Also, the flak is more accurate than it should be for FPS reasons, but with faster computers this isn€t as important- is there a possibility of having realistic AA accuracy as part of this series of add-ons, or is it too deep in the code? Without reduced accuracy, a German quad 20mm would be.. dangerous.

Nimits
04-05-2006, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's not a secret. More over, most of the people here can name those, even without my help:

CW-21 with cockpit
Avia B-534 with cockpit
Letov S-328
Fokker D.XXI variants with cockpit for the Finnish version
Also possible G-55 and SM.79, but with less probability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The others:
Ki-27 Flyable
Ki-21 AI
B6N AI
A5M4 AI

are still probably coming at some point, too, right?

JG53Frankyboy
04-05-2006, 04:09 PM
but the last ones will come in to pay AdOns.

goshikisen
04-05-2006, 08:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
The only B6N2 left in the world is in Japan. It's cockpit is non-existant. Just an empty shell with coroded and bent metal pieces inside.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only Tenzan left is with the Smithsonian... and they have all the pieces, just not put together. Cockpit looks reasonably intact. I saw the aircraft on a tour of the Smithsonian's storage facility in Silver Hill Maryland.

http://www.aviation-history.com/garber/images/nakajima_B6N2-1.jpg

VW-IceFire
04-05-2006, 08:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Nimits:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's not a secret. More over, most of the people here can name those, even without my help:

CW-21 with cockpit
Avia B-534 with cockpit
Letov S-328
Fokker D.XXI variants with cockpit for the Finnish version
Also possible G-55 and SM.79, but with less probability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The others:
Ki-27 Flyable
Ki-21 AI
B6N AI
A5M4 AI

are still probably coming at some point, too, right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I believe those are meant to be in the second addon. The so called "IL-10 Manchuria" package.

Copperhead310th
04-05-2006, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
Copperhead,

Is the Jg27 thing for real? If so, it must be snowing in Hell tonight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Better get yer over coat there Peaches.

Signed on almost 2 months ago. But havn't been around much since. We're stilldealing with the fall out from my mother passing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
So i havn't been flying a lot lately.
far too many real world troubles this year to put in any real stick time. Hell i havn't even gotten to fly the Tempest, Skeeter, or Do yet.
But i'm keeping up with the sim as much as real life will allow.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Copperhead310th
04-05-2006, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SaQSoN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">if a request for such works had been made to to myself or to the community, I would have happily responded (I mean this respectfully and do not wish to provoke you in any way). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Feathered_IV, why do you put conditions in here and speak of it in the past? Why you wouldn't just do it to prove, you can? Ok, it may not be usefull for the IL-2 line, but may be usefull for future games, or plastic modellers, etc.
Just try doing it to see, that it isn't that easy as it sounds. And not always may produce a required result at all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Vladimir- thanks for making the Pe2 and subsequent addons available outside Russia. Any advice you have on the English release is welcome- will the title of the English version be 'Stories of a Dive Bomber'? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First of all, thatnks go to Oleg and Ubi. It was their desision and will to publish this add-ons wordlwide. I am hardly a correct person to thank.
The English title will be, as far as I know "Pe-2 Peshka". The Russian title is selected to be sound close to an old, but popular Russian movie "Chronicles of the dive bomber".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">With a road, though, you've got a limited area for a vehicle to travel... of course military vehicles are meant to travel off road but when it came to convoys you'd find them sticking predominantly to the road.

With a ship... the ocean is your road and there's nowhere to hide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite, when we are speaking of AI in the game. Because programmers should take in account any possible situation in the game. For exhample, when a ship goes close to a shore, on in a narrow strait. To prevent AI doing something stupid, like moving through the land (which ships sometimes did in CFS2), programmers whould have to "teach" AI to detect land/water or shallow water. Which would require creation of a whole new set of AI routines. This definitely won't be made for the IL-2.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Awww now, Aces of the Pacific, 1942: Pacific Air War, Warbirds, Combat Flight Simulator 2 Avhistory Addons, etc. all managed to come up with cockpits for the Kate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, they didn't. What they was showing as Kate cockpit wasn't even close to what we can see on the scarse referece we have now.
Besides, do not forget, that what looked ok in 320x200 or 640x400 8- or 16-bit graphics 10 years ago, won't do the job nowdays.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you have any idea what aircraft those might be, and are you at liberty to devulge that information if you DO know. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not a secret. More over, most of the people here can name those, even without my help:

CW-21 with cockpit
Avia B-534 with cockpit
Letov S-328
Fokker D.XXI variants with cockpit for the Finnish version
Also possible G-55 and SM.79, but with less probability.

It also may happen, that any of the listed models will not be included. Everything depends on how much time 1C will have after the release of all 3 commercial add-ons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

SaQSoN

And again here's that "if we have time" thing again.

here's my problem with that.
I and one of the guys i was in the 310th VFS with Mike 310thDizz Dean did a bunch AND I MEAN A BUNCH of high quality regimentals for PF. But by the time we got the to Oleg (thank you Luthier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif) It was way too late for Pf's realease. Oleg liked them and said he intended to use them. "If there Was TIME" that was like 3 patches ago. and we havn't seen any updates to the sims regimentals system for some time.

So my question is this: If you SaQSoN or Crazy Ivan or in contact with Oleg on a regular basis....could you please remind him of the file we sent him. If he needs me to re send it i will. But we're running out of time to get that in the sim and the work was outstanding.
So could some one who is in with Oleg please remind him of those regiments. there has been ample time to add them.
thanks.

this is important to me. We worked really hard Dizz & i on this. it's be a shame not to have those in the sim.

Nimits
04-05-2006, 09:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">and one of the guys i was in the 310th VFS with Mike 310thDizz Dean did a bunch AND I MEAN A BUNCH of high quality regimentals for PF. But by the time we got the to Oleg (thank you Luthier ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Squadron markings for PF would be so nice. A hearty second to the motion, if it can still be done.

faustnik
04-05-2006, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
We're still dealing with the fall out from my mother passing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to hear that Copperhead.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SaQSoN
04-06-2006, 12:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The only Tenzan left is with the Smithsonian... and they have all the pieces, just not put together. Cockpit looks reasonably intact. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then, there are more then one B6N2 survived. On my pictures, it is assembled and more or less ok from outside, but inside it's just an empty ruin. And a caption said it's in Japan (or I didn't understand it correctly)...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but it has been rumoured that new Eastern Front ground objects are included, mainly artillery and flak. Since the add-on has gone gold, can you release any details yet? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Soft vehicles:

GAZ-AA lorry
GAZ-AAA lorry
GAZ-55 ambulance
GAZ-AA stuff bus
Sd.Kfz.6 half-truck
Sd.Kfz.10 half-truck

Armored vwhicle:

FAI-M recon/auxilary car

Artillery:

Soviet 45mm model 38 AT gun
German 37mm PAK35/36 AT gun
German 75mm PAK 40 AT gun
Soviet 76,2mm regimental gun (ZiS-3) - replacement for the existing one
Soviet 122mm field gun ML-20 - replacement for the existing one

Anti-aircraft artillery:

Soviet 76,2mm 3-K AA gun
Soviet 85mm 52-K AA gun - replacement for the existing one
Soviet 37mm 61-K AA gun
Soviet Quad Maxim 7,62mm AA gun
German 37mm Flak 37 AA gun
German 20mm Flak 38 AA gun
German 88mm Flak 18 AA gun - replacement for the existing one

Mobile AA:

Quad Maxime on GAZ-AAA truck
Flak 38 on Sd.Kfz.10
Flak 37 on Sd.Kfz.6

Dummies:

Field gun
AA gun
Tank
Russian fighter
German fighter

As you see, it's somewhat more, then 15 pieces. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">So my question is this: If you SaQSoN or Crazy Ivan or in contact with Oleg on a regular basis....could you please remind him of the file we sent him. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll check it with him.

Snow_Wolf_
04-06-2006, 12:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goshikisen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Amagi:
I would prefer more smoke and explosions and longer sinking times, but I don't consider it to be a serious flaw. The vehicles don't drive to cover when attacked- isn't that worse? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

With a road, though, you've got a limited area for a vehicle to travel... of course military vehicles are meant to travel off road but when it came to convoys you'd find them sticking predominantly to the road.

With a ship... the ocean is your road and there's nowhere to hide. AA is, of course, a big part of it but if you look at any USN aerial photographs of actions against the IJN you'll find a great deal of maneuvering going on. There was a thread about a year ago that discussed this issue and I posted a number of photographs... here are a couple.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/zuikaku.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/musashi.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/philipine.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v460/goshikisen/hiryu.jpg

Pacific Fighters ships can't move this way... they look incredibly "wrong" making the simplest of changes in direction and they are entirely dependant on a scripted route. Ideally the ships should have had a measure of AI that would allow them to change direction in unison and/or act independantly. Ships act like ground objects in this series... and IL2 ground objects have never been to travel along a smooth radius.

I've never really been too worried about Torpedo Bombers because a few fundamental pieces of the overall puzzle are missing... the targets don't respond anywhere near the way they should so their inclusion, at least for me, is a moot point.

Regards, Goshikisen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just want to ask in one of the picture is that the HIJMS Yamato or is it the HIJMS Musashi

Schwarzer_Loewe
04-06-2006, 04:44 AM
S!

concerning references for Japanese aircraft interiors-there is a great source of information available in bookform:

http://www.schifferbooks.com/newschiffer/book_template.php?isbn=0764320971

http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/aircraft_interiors.htm#Mo...Aircraft%20Interiors (http://www.j-aircraft.com/faq/aircraft_interiors.htm#Monogram¿s%20Japanese%20 Aircraft%20Interiors)


best regards
dSL

Schwarzer_Loewe
04-06-2006, 04:49 AM
and one more linkie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/june/new-releases/b...panese-interiors.htm (http://www.internetmodeler.com/2001/june/new-releases/book_japanese-interiors.htm)

Gitano1979
04-06-2006, 05:41 AM
About on japanese planes, lot of information can be found on "Maru Mechanic" and "Bunrin Do - Famous Airplanes" pubilcations.

hotspace
04-06-2006, 09:28 AM
I'm gonna look a pratt here for saying this, but is the title: Pe-2: Stories of Dive Bomber?

I reason why I'm asking is that where I live the only Store that does the 'Complete Edition DVD (NOW!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif) is Virgin Megastores. I've asked about the above in all the Game Stores in town and they all look at me as if I'm some kinda tithead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif I've even used various version of the above title and get the same result with 'em http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

rr9
04-06-2006, 09:46 AM
SaQSoN wrote:
"Soft vehicles:

GAZ-AA lorry
GAZ-AAA lorry
..."

Do you think it would be possible to add even one non-military ship in one of the remaining add-ons? We have dozens of destroyers etc, but very few objects to use for convoys and other anti-shipping missions. Even a simple unarmed barge would be great.

SaQSoN
04-06-2006, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you think it would be possible to add even one non-military ship in one of the remaining add-ons? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No. It is not possible.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I'm gonna look a pratt here for saying this, but is the title: Pe-2: Stories of Dive Bomber? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you look few posts up, you will find, that I already stated: this addon will be marketed wordlwide under the title "Pe-2 Peshka" and will be released at April, 17th.

Amagi
04-06-2006, 10:08 AM
Vladimir- Are there going to be new external models and/or payloads for the Peshka? Since the Sturmovik, A-20G and B-25J are attack aircraft, the Peshka will be the first flyable VVS bomber, apart from the TB-3. Was the Pe-3 used as a night fighter? Night operations would be much improved without the AI using navigation lights when in formation or attacking.

The additional mobile flak will be very useful, and the Norway team are eager for the 37mm. Are there new road columns to take advantage of the new vehicles, like the armoured train got additional AA wagons when moving? If you had the opportunity to add any more ground objects with your subsequent add-ons, a German AAMG (MG34?) and a dummy truck might also be useful- though the dummy tank might also work as a dummy truck?

However, if you could pass on one request from me to Oleg for an improvement of Eastern Front operations, it would be that the destruction settings in the FMB be made to range from 0 to 1000% rather than 0 to 100%. This is a simple non-graphics alteration that would allow campaign and mission designers more options, without changing the standard game at all.

SaQSoN
04-06-2006, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are there going to be new external models and/or payloads for the Peshka? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No.
External models were slightly modified to fix some old bugs with glass and to correct navigator's guns emplacement on some models.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Was the Pe-3 used as a night fighter? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes, moreover, sometimes even Pe-2 were used as night fighters.

I can't add any more new ground objects, besides those, ordered to me, because of the lack of time.
There will be some new objects for the IL-10 and 46 addons. Some dummies and some tanks mainly.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">However, if you could pass on one request from me to Oleg for an improvement of Eastern Front operations, it would be that the destruction settings in the FMB be made to range from 0 to 1000% rather than 0 to 100%. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Are you sure, that setting related to the brush size? I thought, it is related to the number of objects destoryed under the brush.
And hardly the brush size may be changed.

goshikisen
04-06-2006, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Snow_Wolf_:
I just want to ask in one of the picture is that the HIJMS Yamato or is it the HIJMS Musashi </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The US Navy Historical Society is inconclusive on which of the 2 it is. The picture was taken during the Battle of Sibuyan Sea in Oct. 44... both battleships were present.

hotspace
04-06-2006, 01:19 PM
A-ha, see told ya I would end up looking like one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

rr9
04-06-2006, 01:31 PM
SaQSoN wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Do you think it would be possible to add even one non-military ship in one of the remaining add-ons?

No. It is not possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I hope there will be more civilian ships in BoB then.

Amagi
04-06-2006, 03:15 PM
Vladimir- The FMB has an unmarked 'destruction' slider with a range from 100% (intact) on the left to 0% (entirely destroyed) on the right. I'd like it to range from 1000% (boosted defence) to 0%. The default would then be towards the right end of the scale. There'd be a loss of subtlety, but subtlety isn't required.

The best advice I can send to Oleg for BoB is that an air war without ground fighting doesn't allow mission builders many elements, but that if he includes an interface for designers to customise all the AI values (distances etc.) he uses, the AI will improve very quickly.

GerritJ9
04-06-2006, 03:38 PM
I suspected the Devastator would be a dead duck, but I have sent the Profile to 1C anyway. Hopefully it will be useful for the BoB-based successor to PF.

Will the F2A-3 be included in the Manchuria add-on as well?

Regarding the CFS2 cockpits- I was given CFS2 recently and I installed it (don't laugh), plus a few aeroplanes I downloaded including the A5M4, Ki.27 and Ki.45. The cockpits are dreadful (and that is being charitable), the Ki.45's pit is the best and that is barely acceptable. Even the MiG-3's cockpit, which is dated by current standards (look at the Tempest cockpit, or the Macchis' to see how far this sim has improved over the years), looks realistic in comparison. This sim has set such high standards that I, for one, would rather have an AI-only Kate than a Kate with such a horrible pit, though I can understand the viewpoint that even a poor and inaccurate pit is better than none at all.

goshikisen
04-06-2006, 04:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rr9:
Do you think it would be possible to add even one non-military ship in one of the remaining add-ons? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There were screenshots of a small cargo-carrying Norwegian vessel that a modeller was building to complement Ian Boy's upcoming Norway map. I could be wrong but I'd thought the model was either accepted by Oleg or had a very good chance of it. I think the modeller went by the name of Nils.

ElAurens
04-06-2006, 04:30 PM
Yes, I remember that one as well, a very good looking model that could work well in just about any theatre.

Copperhead310th
04-06-2006, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
We're still dealing with the fall out from my mother passing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry to hear that Copperhead.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Bud. jan. 2nd. 2006. She was 56.
HARDEST DAMN DAY OF MY LIFE.

But as for the JG27 thing.....
Great buch of guys. had already been buddies with Aristo, Crash, AD, DaCripler and the rest.
Was an easy choice. not becuase of the Aircraft they fly but simply based on the guys that fly em. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
And I let the 310th in the best hands.
Diablo is the CO there now & Motrin is XO i think. Kinda hard getting used to shoot AT THEM. hehehe.
But Hey....on the bright side...i switched to the 190 and my K/D ration improved 60% almost on take off. lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
No kidding.

Why 190? Closest dam thing in the kraught aresnal to a Jug. simple.

NOW ABOUT THAT PE-2/3 ADD ON.
AND MY REGIMENTALS.

SaQSoN
04-06-2006, 09:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Will the F2A-3 be included in the Manchuria add-on as well? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There were screenshots of a small cargo-carrying Norwegian vessel that a modeller was building to complement Ian Boy's upcoming Norway map. I could be wrong but I'd thought the model was either accepted by Oleg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, it was not.

F19_Orheim
04-06-2006, 11:05 PM
ouch...

major_setback
04-07-2006, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
ouch... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

So we won't be getting this:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/render_3.jpg

...But will we be getting this? :

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Rosendal.jpg

madsarmy
04-07-2006, 02:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Thanks Bud. jan. 2nd. 2006. She was 56.
HARDEST DAMN DAY OF MY LIFE. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Copperhead
I€m so sorry to here about your mother.

I lost my mother just over four years ago. Two days before her 60th birthday.
It€s the toughest thing I have ever had to deal with. My thoughts are with you & your family.

Take Care M8

jamesdietz
04-07-2006, 09:31 AM
This has probably been asked & answered , so I apologize in advance( but I don't want to go thru 17 pages of this thread either..)but where is the best place to either find or preorder this in the States.....?

JG53Frankyboy
04-07-2006, 09:48 AM
the Pe thing, and its followers, will most propably "only Download" ones. so, we have to wait till official announcments.



@Copperhead,
my heartfelt condolences!

darkhorizon11
04-07-2006, 11:10 AM
EDIT I found the answer to my question...

To add a glimmer a hope to all this negative of things we wont get...

Oleg mentioned at some point down the road once BoB is cranking away he may release some of the source code allowing 3D party modelers to add in aircraft to PF. Maybe these planes we'll see the light of day after all.

And if that doesn't happen theres still a PF waiting for BoB which will hopefully be covered more thoroughly next time!

J_Weaver
04-07-2006, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the Pe thing, and its followers, will most propably "only Download" ones. so, we have to wait till official announcments.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what happens to us guys without credit cards & paypal?

darkhorizon11
04-07-2006, 11:29 AM
Okay SaQson (or anyone else in the know) to verify what is and isn't coming... Correct me if I'm wrong here...

F/A-18D Hornet...yes
A-10 Thunderbolt...yes
F/A-22 Raptor... No

jk... seriously now...

A5M1 Claude NO
B6N2 No
B6N1 cockpit No
Ki-27 YES
Curtiss Devastator No
TBM Avenger cockpit No

IL-10 YES
Bi-6 YES
Pe-2 flyable YES (which variants?)
Pe-3 flyable Yes (which variants?)
La-7 w/rocket boost YES

A-20C YES
CW-21?
D.XII?
Ki-43-II (flyable or AI)?
Avia B.534 (flyable or AI)?

Re 2000? (any chance as AI I heard there is no chance flyable but is it totally dead?)
Re 2001? (same as above)
Fiat G.56 AI?
Fiat Cr.42 AI?
SM.79 AI?

I've heard all the cockpits are dead for those Italian birds but is there any chance for AI ones to further compliment the Malta map?

Anyways sorry if some of those questions have been answered already I'm just trying to clear things up for the community! Thanks! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Chef-Scott
04-07-2006, 11:39 AM
Just me again.... Does anyone have an idea as to what the price will be for each of these "paid" add-ons? $20? $30? $40?

SaQSoN
04-07-2006, 12:02 PM
darkhorizon11, I wonder, why would you need to know what is coming into the game, if you don't know, what is already in it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway, I will not repeat again things, that I already told many times...

JG53Frankyboy
04-07-2006, 12:05 PM
if you watch several forums and posts

A5M1 Claude &lt; as AI
B6N2 &lt; propably as AI
B6N1 &lt; think you mean B5N1 , no cockpit
Ki-27 YES
Curtiss Devastator No
TBM Avenger cockpit No

IL-10 YES
Bi-6 YES
Pe-2 flyable YES (which variants?)&lt;- all 4
Pe-3 flyable Yes (which variants?) &lt;- both
La-7 w/rocket boost YES

A-20C YES
CW-21? &lt;-propably
D.XII? &lt; Fokker XXI , most propably AI, cockpit not sure
Ki-43-II (flyable or AI)? &lt;- already as AI in game, cockpit was made , not sure if it will come, but most propably
Avia B.534 (flyable or AI)? &lt;- both a done, not sure

Re 2000? (any chance as AI I heard there is no chance flyable but is it totally dead?) &lt;- i would say no
Re 2001? (same as above) &lt;- no
Fiat G.56 AI? &lt;- G.55 , i would say no
Fiat Cr.42 AI? &lt;- Cr.32 , no
SM.79 AI? &lt;- propably, but i doubt it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

you forgott at least the
Ki-21 as AI
some early soviet jets like Yak-15, MiG-9 etc

Monson74
04-07-2006, 12:20 PM
SaQSon, could you please take a look at:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/1961086463/p/1


Is there any chance of this?

SaQSoN
04-07-2006, 12:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Is there any chance of this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No.

Because, there is no such object class in the game, as "enemy target". http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It only can be train car, tank, artillery, car, ship, or static plane (or whatever other static object, that gets counted in mission stats).
The area target is even less possible.

So, all this isn't possible with a minimum efforts, without implementing a new feature in the game (which would require undesirable ammount of programming work).

Copperhead310th
04-07-2006, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by madsarmy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
Thanks Bud. jan. 2nd. 2006. She was 56.
HARDEST DAMN DAY OF MY LIFE. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Copperhead
I€m so sorry to here about your mother.

I lost my mother just over four years ago. Two days before her 60th birthday.
It€s the toughest thing I have ever had to deal with. My thoughts are with you & your family.

Take Care M8 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks bud.