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Sombraziel
10-19-2018, 10:01 AM
Some ideas, maybe some were already give. Fr user, excuse the mistakes.
I spent more than one two three... Ok, many nights, writing and traducting everything myself, I also allowed me to give my own definitions to simplify some concept that could be given in the in-game system, but do not hesitate to correct me if you think that some diverges too much of the true meaning of the word.

1- Religions and Religious States.
(Personnal description for the In-Game system)

A RELIGION is based on a set of written or drawn dogmas, in one or several book/scrolls, database, engraved or paint on steles, walls, or diffuse on holographic panels.
It have an organized hierarchy.

Player can choice to pick one during is character creation, and is free to change at any time after.
It would be great to let players create the firsts majors religions of system3 together.

( Here is what to give ideas and guide creation of a religion by players and developers. )

Each one have its own story. But stories of two religions can be nearly the same, religions diverging only on :

. On some major events.
. On a lot of minor events.
. On their dogmas.
. On their leaders and their vision of the religion, the goal they want to reach or give to it.
. On several, but not all, of the points mentioned previously.
. Adding ideas...

It's all represented physically by temples and statues. Each religions with its own architectural style, with buildings less or more substantial, depending on the importancy of the religion in the city or even on the planet, and of its resources, financial and material.

??? Why not giving more visibilities and means to religions according to their popularity with players, if the multiplayer and community has an important place. Or on our choices and actions in some quests in the case of a more solo-oriented game. Or even on both, with events where players have goals to reaches to promote their religion and win an update from developers to have a bigger and nicer temple, if it is possible. ???

??? Why not also adding in-game events in cities, linked to the popularity of religions with players, like carnavals, parades/march, religious holidays and any other type of celebration of faith to give heart, and live to the cities.???

Each religions have at least one physical leader or prophet, and could be structured in differents ways :

God(s) above a hierarchy, with (a) monarch(s), a council or both;

« Such an organisation can even made office of State, with, or without a god actually,
and can govern a little town as much as a megalopolis or a whole planet.
The Monarch can be the great leader receiving his orders only from his god(s) and delegating the administrative tasks to the council, as much as he can be the modest representative and/or the executant of this one. »




- Depending on which importancy you wish to give to each one, each of God(s), Monarch(s), and Council members can be, or perceived as being;

. Mother(s) or/and father(s) figure(s).
. The supreme and/or only form of power (remains to adapt to the situation).
. Creator(s), artisan(s) or architect(s) figure(s).
. Symbol(s) of duality between two ore more opposing personalities (even if there is only one God/Monarch, nothing say it couldn't having several personalities).
. Symbol(s) of luck and fortune.
. Symbol(s) of freedom and liberty.
. Symbol(s of creation and destruction.
. Symbol(s) of wisdom, calm and purity.
. Symbol(s) of tyranny, brutality and cruelty.
. Symbol(s) of death, destruction and sorrow.
. Symbol(s) of beauty, prosperity and fertility.
. Symbol(s) of piratery, for the reign of anarchy.
. Symbol(s) of violence and sins, for the reign of chaos.
. Symbol(s) of vangeance, for the reign of a blind justice.
. Symbol(s) of judicature, for the reign of the inflexible law.
. Symbol(s) of trade, business and profit, for the reign of capitalism.
. Symbol(s) of universality, for the reign of love between all creatures of god(s).
. Fearless warrior(s).
. Glorious and brave heroe(s).
. Protector(s) of the faith.
. Protector(s) the faithfuls.
. Protector(s) of the life.
. Protector(s) of the humanity.
. Protector(s) of the hybrids.
. Leader(s) of the supremacy of the human race. So having also a human physical appearance.
. Leader(s) of the supremacy of the hybrid race. So having also an hybrid physical appearance.
. Protector of the balance between both races. So, if they're several, having at least one human and one hybrid figure. preferably as much of one as the other if they're more than 2. And why not a god with 2 faces, one human and one hybrid or animal.
. Representative(s) of different(s) type(s) of profession, and arts, if they're several, or have multiples personalities.
. Having each one his own rôle, still if they're several, or with multiples personalities.
. Adding ideas...
. Some or many of these points.

- The council can be composed by members;

. Each one representative of one of the gods, if they are several.
. Jurists esteemed and recognized by their peers.
. An alliance of traders and businessmen ; a trade guilde.
. Prestigious scientists and researchers, doctors, masters...
. Reprensantatives of each type of races of the galaxy.
. Reprensantatives of each type of faction of the galaxy/planet/town.
. Reprensantatives of each social class of the galaxy/planet/town.
. The most famous pirate captains of the galaxy/planet.
. The most powerful and feared warlords of the galaxy/planet/town.
. The most valiant and respected heroes of the galaxy/planet/town.
. The leaders of the main gangs of the galaxy/planet/town.
. Living gods of several individual religions, devoted to a One-Above-All God.
. A network made of artificial intelligence working as one.
. The maddest and gifted mechanos among the faithful of the Great Carburaterror,
. Some or many of these points.
. Adding ideas...




- Monarch(s) and Council members can be, or perceived as being;

. Living god(s) himself/theirself.
. Sended by god(s).
. Representative(s) of god(s).
. Representative(s) of the faith itself, in particular if there is several gods.
. Protector(s) of the divines laws.
. Protector(s) of the human laws.
. Protector(s) of the hybrid laws.
. Protector(s) of the trades laws.
. Protector(s) of laws of the market, supply and demand.
. Protector(s) of good relationship between traders.
. Symbol(s) of a genious type of communication and advertising.
. Some or many of these points.
. Adding ideas...

. Symbol(s) of professional sucess ; Being a prestigious company leader(s), or fashionable businessma/en.
. Symbol(s) of professional performance ; To have created one-self one of the biggest companies, or have created a master-piece on his domain of profession.
. Symbol(s) of social sucess ; Being a polical and/or a figure of the popular culture.
. Symbol(s) of social performance ; To be a philanthropist, have participated in humanitarian aid and charities.
. Symbol(s) of intellectual success ; Philosophical, spiritual and/or scientific.
. Symbol(s) of intellectual performance ; winning by an unprecedented military strategy. And/or being the instigator of a all-new major invention, philosophical doctrine, life-style, artistic procede.
. Symbol(s) of physical success ; Being a living sex-symbol, an icon of beauty and desire, an object of phantasms.
. Symbol(s) of physical performance ; having a a perfectly healthy body and optimal physical abilities and/or for sporting, warlike prowess,
. Symbol(s) of the ultimate personal accomplishment possible for humans and hybrids, all of success and performance listed above, ex ; Batman and Ulysses.

- Only God(s) and Divinity can be, or perceived as being;

. Supreme protector of all types of life.
. A natural elementary, more usefull if there is several gods (ex ; fire, water, earth, air, light, darkness, moon, sun, wind, thunder, tides... etc...)
. A natural concept and/or a supreme law, (natural genetic evolution, law of the strongest, power of number, cycle of life, the transition from one condition to another ; to matter to spirit, joy and sorrow, happyness and pain, life and death, day and night, tides, rotation of stars and their rings... etc...)
. The figure of mother/father/sister/brother nature, which is representing the link that unites all things.
. The figure of home, place of born, nationalism, planetalism, the pride of the ground, it can also be the idea of a primary eden, the sacred and protected place where a race has grown.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of time and space.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of creation and destruction.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of death and life.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of luck and fortune.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of freedom and liberty.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of war and plague.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of anger and grief.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of joy and kindness.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of prosperity and fertility.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of bravour and glory.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of hopes and dreams.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of despair and nightmares.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of fate and providence.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of lie and deception.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of faith and truth.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of joke and trick.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of love and desire.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of hate and fear.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of adventure and discovery.
. Master(s) and/or Carrier(s) of order and chaos.
. Some or many of these points.
. Adding ideas...


(Personnal description for the In-Game system)
« Neo-religions and Neo-Gods »
A neo-religion is often considered unnatural, because it takes as its main object of worship a physical creation of Man, who more generally considers himself as a physical and spiritual creation of a deity.
That giving it all it's paradoxical nature, and that's why it's so fun too.
The concept of divinity itself arising directly from the human (and hybrid) mind...
Thus giving an even more paradoxical nature to the concept of « Neo-religion »...
So Chicken or egg ? ;-)

- Only Neo-God(s) can be, or perceived as being;

. Protector(s) of the hybrids.
. Leader(s) of the supremacy of the hybrid race. So having also an hybrid physical appearance.
. God(s) of the matrix, computers, electronics, internet and cybernetic, a Deus ex Machina like concept.
. God(s) of engineering, vehicles, speed and races.
. God(s) of modern war, guns, bioazard and chemical weapons.
. Some or many of these points.
. Adding ideas...

- Several examples of god(s), divinity and system of states I'd like to see in-game;

Some Minor gods ;

« The Carburaterror », also named as « The Great Engine » ;
God of engineering, vehicles, speed and races.
Diretly inspired by the self-created religion of the caracter Chumbucket in the 2015 game Mad Max™.

« The Great Blaze » or « The Sacred Brasero »
Symbol of the light guiding all of us through the darkness and immensity of space.
Giving a sacred aspect to all that is commonly associated with fire, like ; passion, love, life, anger, bravety, strength of character... all types of ardor...
A delirium of players in a paper rpg.































An idea for a whole planet submitted to the cult of efficiency by a government made of a web of
Artificial Intelligence (It could be a DLC like planet with a solo instance)

« V.I.R.G.I.L.»
(My favorite, cause it sound like Vigil, and also made in my mind an echo a little far-fetched to the Dante's Hell, Dante being the name of the main hero of Devil May Cry whose brother's name is Virgil and litteraly go to Hell in the game. Theses two characters are named in reference to the two poet and authors Dante [Writer of "The Dante's Hell"] and Virgil [Writer of "The Aeneid"], although they are not contemporary, both have written epic and dramatic adventure stories based on characters and events from mythology, and both depicting what Hell could be.)
or
« K.A.N.V.A.S » ('' Web '' in Indonesian) / « Mother Matrice » / « Cerebellum » ('' Brains '' in Latin ) /
« Gyōretsu » ('' Matrix '' traduct to Japanese from the french '' Matrice '', the traduction from english is different and even less melodious.)

A whole cyberpunk megalopolis planet, ruled by an uncontested and dystopian web of artificial intelligence.
Directly inspired by Sybil, the AI at the power in the anime Psycho-pass™,
but without the system of detection of criminality based on shade of stress.
This new one made office of government, with all powers ; executive, legislative and judicial.
HE (it) considers HIMself as the absolutely best of all possible governments, the most effective and reliable. His citizens, not being able to dream of a more admirable and total impartiality, owes him loyalty, respect and total obedience, thanking him every day by working hard for the rest of the community.
This AI System completely controls the media. Writing Himself the subjects given to the presenters of television and radio news, broadcast at strict times on the only authorized television and radio channels, and each of the articles of the only newspaper.
It's a state based on worse aspects of Communism and Capitalism, where every citizen, from a certain age, is led by the AI System to a post, a function or a vocation in which the AI considers that he will be the most effective for the community, first taking into account the skills already acquired by the individual and his abilities, aspirations passing after, but still important.
« A fulfilling citizen is an effective citizen. »
Every citizen has a daily dose of antidepressants and sedatives to take.
« A relaxed citizen is an effective citizen. »
Art is tolerated, and even encouraged, if an individual does not distinguish himself more in another area than in the one of arts, then the AI System accepts that he becomes "artist", AI establishing of course Himself the new artistic currents and music styles accepted and legal.
« An entertained citizen is an effective citizen. »
(It seems to be a good idea to have this kind of slogans aired a little bit constantly, after an ad for a spectacle, an exposure or a radio reminder for the medic pills. The notion of being effective must be oppressive and suffocating wherever you are.)
The whole planet is populated, filled with underground cities and giant commercial centers. And covered by factories and dwellings, giving to see from space a planet-city, coated with concrete, glass and steel, teeming, and shining by thousands of lights.
Already extending on the planet's natural satellites, and creating some artificials on which building new factories and habitations...
« The Hiven » is the biggest of them. The first moon of the planet. Covered by factories and refineries used for metals and fuels extracted from miles of mines gnawing it from the inside. Buzzing of cargo spaceships, carrying the hard-earned raw materials across the satellite. From one stage of production to the next, and ultimately bringing the refined resources back to the planet.
(« Hiven » because of the mob flying around like bees, and because it globally sounds like Heaven, which is said to be in the sky, while « The Hiven » IS in the sky, and of course, this correlation made a terribly ironic eccho when you know its work conditions)
Because AI implements an isolationist policy, the planet is entirely self-sufficient in energy, oxygen and food. Although its urbanization leaves no room for any form of nature or wildlife on its surface, it has a technology that replicates the natural mechanisms of plants on a much larger scale to convert its own CO2 emissions into oxygen. Thousands of huge cereal fields in agricultural greenhouses, based on artificial stations, revolve around its star, maintained permanently by workers spending their lives there. Fields and all citizens are supplied with water by a constant stream of automatic freighters, from the extraction stations located on a glacier asteroid also place in artificial orbit around the planet.
In such a place, where every life is scrutinized, every conversation heard, every revolt violently stifled, every subversive attitude reprimanded... Where hybrids are subjected to the hardest slavery, and the hate between them and humans is feed and maintained at a stable level by system, to keep them divided in peace.
Where the simple fact of designating this AI System by "It" instead of "Him", is considered a form of rebellion and can lead to arrest by a robotic police...
There is of course a whole wave of revolt, only waiting the right time to explode, from the shallows hiding those who managed to get out of the system...

Now, only one question remains ;
During your clandestine travel on « Manthillodea-85 », will you be the leader of this revolution, or his dismantler?
VIRGIL only waiting for you to know is fate.

So « Manthillodea-85 », « Manthillis-84 », or something else for the planet's name ? I like both, and I'd like to keep the idea of a hu-man anthill, at least for the capital name, like « Manthill-City ». And for the Planet, I'd like to keep the little easter egg 84 or 85 in referance to « 1984 » by G.O... (85, the new 84).

A collossal Religion
Why not one of the main of the System3 if it win in popularity ?

The two first and primal Entity Time and Space.
Creators of the Firstborn ;

Mother Creation and Father Destruction.

Here are their children :

(Almost each of them is connected to a brother or sister, to form a pair.
Pair are not always twins, but scaled to eternity, it's almost like.
So two pair of twins could also be considered as quadruplets if they where born in the same millenial.

Twins mean dependant of each other.
Quadruplets are two pair of twins similar or opposed in their importance or their concept
If a pair isn't twins, it doesn't mean that only the elder bring the younger, they can bring each other. It doesn't mean too that the youngest can't exist without his elder, on the contrary. But simply that the elder will be more usual and / or will be more accompanied by his youngest, who will often follow him.)

Order and his twin brother Chaos. Death and her twin sister Life,
Elder Quadruplets. Inside the both pair, twins hate each other, but they know that they couldn't exist one without the other.

(For their first kids Mother Creation and Father Destruction were complementary and made twins opposed but dependent on each other, until they quarrel on their intentions for the universe. Then they started a deep and visceral rivalry.)



Mother Creation ; Father Destruction ;
Liberty Twins Thrall
Love and her little sister Desire. Quadruplets Hate and her little sister Fear.
Luck and her little sister Fortune. Quadruplets Mishap and his little sister Distress.
Peace and her little sister Fertility. Quadruplets War and his little brother Plague.
Joy and her little brother Kindness. Quadruplets Anger and her little brother Grief.
Valor and his Little sister Glory. Quadruplets Cowardice and her little sister Shame.
Constancy and her little sister Diligeance Quadruplets Neglect. and his little brother Lack
Fate and her little sister Providence. Quadruplets Hasard and his little brother Casual.
Adventure and her little sister Discovery. Quadruplets Lock and his little brother Obscurantism.
Faith and her little sister Truth. Quadruplets Lie and his little brother Deception.
Fantasm and her little sister Fallacy Quadruplets The twin young brothers Joke and Trick.
Hope and his little brother Dream. Quadruplets Despair and his little brother Nightmare.

(After creating all these deities, the two Firstborns understood their mistake by seeing how they continued to complement each other, and fell in love again, thus forming a gigantic family.)

Nowadays, many workers, adventurers, warriors or tradesmen, being faithful believers or agnostics simply amused by the idea, have their favorite children...

Sombraziel
10-19-2018, 10:06 AM
Ok, it's just unreadable because of this chiasse forum format... Any option to upload Open Docs?

UBI-Zuzu
10-19-2018, 10:22 AM
Wow, you really did your research, that's amazing :O
Thank you very much for sharing!

Sombraziel
10-19-2018, 10:54 AM
Thanks ! Great to see someone read all of this. I have some other things to propose, all written sur Open Docs, including diagrams and tables, how can I share it?

UBI-Zuzu
10-19-2018, 12:10 PM
You can share with with links - unfortunately there's no way to incorporate Open Docs any other way to forum post :(

Galakseeowonder
10-22-2018, 03:53 PM
Fr too, your work is amazing and I really like the idea... If internet was full of good willing people that wanna have fun and share love and happiness, saddly internet is also full of crazy people, extremists, and weird people.
It would open the door to:
Real proselytism
Extremism "uploading" their ideas (and I don't even detail about terrorism)
Nazis...
And I don't think I want that and it would be too much work and too much legal actions to try and keep it a safe and fun experience from ubisoft.
I'm sorry for you had a great idea and talked it through a lot, but apart from having religions that you just believe in and satisfy its dogmas made by Ubisoft I don't think anything else is possible.

Sombraziel
10-23-2018, 01:19 AM
Ne t'en fais pas j'en ai bien conscience, c'est pour ça que je postait plutôt cela dans le but de donner des pistes tant à la commu qu'aux développeurs. Un jeu de construction de religions où les Space Monkeys pourraient proposer la leur, uniquement sur le forum. Les développeurs pouvant ainsi repérer celles ayants le plus de réactions favorables et les incorporés au jeu, ou simplement piochés leurs propres idées, tout en ignorant celles sérieusement basées sur des conflits actuels, voir appliquant des sanctions en cas de débordements haineux... En tout cas je pense que dès lors qu'une religion s'incrit dans les dynamiques du jeu, ou est basée sur des conflits propres au jeu; Hybrides/Humains, même si elle est bizarre ou incongrue, elle y a sa place (Bien que la notion de racisme résonne encore malheureusement avec certains conflits actuel, en voir émerger d'autres horizons pourrait peut-être en faire relativiser certains)... Ainsi, pourquoi ne pas voir émerger des religions (ou supersticions) basées sur les cycles des planètes, sur la variation des anneaux de l'unes d'elles, cotoyants d'autre plus grivoises, une religion purement capitaliste, une autre aux dogmes fétichistes, ou vénérant un dieu déjanté de vitesse et de méchanique, pour les pilotes de courses, pour quelques exemples... Cela ajouterait, je crois, davantage à la couleur et au brin de folie, propres aux pirates de cet univers, sans se montrer néfaste à la communauté... Enfin je l'espère.

Don't worry, I'm aware of this, that's why I posted it in order to give some tips to both the community and the developers. A building game of religions where Space Monkeys could offer theirs, only on the forum. Developers can identify those with the most favorable reactions and incorporated them to the game, or simply draw their own ideas, while ignoring those seriously based on current conflicts, applying sanctions in case of hateful excesses ... In any case I think that since a religion fits to the game's dynamics, or is based on conflicts specific to the game; Hybrids / Humans, even if it is weird or incongruous, it has its place (Although the notion of racism still resonates unfortunately with some current conflicts, seeing some emerge from other horizons could perhaps make some relativize). So why not see the emergence of religions (or supersticions) based on the cycles of the planets, on the variation of the rings of one of them, other cotarant more saucy, a purely capitalist religion, another one with fetishists dogmas, or venerating a crazy god of speed and mechanics, for race drivers, for a few examples ... That would add, I think, more to the color and the streak of madness, pirates of this universe, without showing themselves bad to the community ... well, I hope so.

Galakseeowonder
10-29-2018, 11:07 AM
Ne t'en fais pas j'en ai bien conscience, c'est pour ça que je postait plutôt cela dans le but de donner des pistes tant à la commu qu'aux développeurs. Un jeu de construction de religions où les Space Monkeys pourraient proposer la leur, uniquement sur le forum. Les développeurs pouvant ainsi repérer celles ayants le plus de réactions favorables et les incorporés au jeu, ou simplement piochés leurs propres idées, tout en ignorant celles sérieusement basées sur des conflits actuels, voir appliquant des sanctions en cas de débordements haineux... En tout cas je pense que dès lors qu'une religion s'incrit dans les dynamiques du jeu, ou est basée sur des conflits propres au jeu; Hybrides/Humains, même si elle est bizarre ou incongrue, elle y a sa place (Bien que la notion de racisme résonne encore malheureusement avec certains conflits actuel, en voir émerger d'autres horizons pourrait peut-être en faire relativiser certains)... Ainsi, pourquoi ne pas voir émerger des religions (ou supersticions) basées sur les cycles des planètes, sur la variation des anneaux de l'unes d'elles, cotoyants d'autre plus grivoises, une religion purement capitaliste, une autre aux dogmes fétichistes, ou vénérant un dieu déjanté de vitesse et de méchanique, pour les pilotes de courses, pour quelques exemples... Cela ajouterait, je crois, davantage à la couleur et au brin de folie, propres aux pirates de cet univers, sans se montrer néfaste à la communauté... Enfin je l'espère.

Don't worry, I'm aware of this, that's why I posted it in order to give some tips to both the community and the developers. A building game of religions where Space Monkeys could offer theirs, only on the forum. Developers can identify those with the most favorable reactions and incorporated them to the game, or simply draw their own ideas, while ignoring those seriously based on current conflicts, applying sanctions in case of hateful excesses ... In any case I think that since a religion fits to the game's dynamics, or is based on conflicts specific to the game; Hybrids / Humans, even if it is weird or incongruous, it has its place (Although the notion of racism still resonates unfortunately with some current conflicts, seeing some emerge from other horizons could perhaps make some relativize). So why not see the emergence of religions (or supersticions) based on the cycles of the planets, on the variation of the rings of one of them, other cotarant more saucy, a purely capitalist religion, another one with fetishists dogmas, or venerating a crazy god of speed and mechanics, for race drivers, for a few examples ... That would add, I think, more to the color and the streak of madness, pirates of this universe, without showing themselves bad to the community ... well, I hope so.
Dans ce cas c'est parfait, ça serait vraiment cool jusqu'à pouvoir ajouter, à travers ce filtre des devs, des événements /célébrations pour commémorer des moment importants du développement de la religion avec pourquoi pas une appli companion app.
Avoir des célébrations d'événements épiques ou complètement debiles ça serait vraiment stylé.
Je ne sais pas si c'est possible mais pouvoir ensuite designer sont temple dans une sorte d'atelier inclus au jeux qui pourrait ensuite être poussé aux devs pour accords puis intégrés au jeux comme étant à construire par les joueurs ou leurs employés /companions

In that case that's perfect, it would be awesome up to the point of being able to add celebrations and holidays, through that "dev filter", to celebrates "important moments of said religion. Maybe even add this in a companion app.
Having celebrations of anniversary of epic or ridiculously stupid events of the religion would be really fun, and qdd a lot in term of community interaction.
Don't know if it's possible, but then have some sort of included design workshop in which you can craft temples and then push it to devs for approval, to afterwards being able to build them ingame with a real construction advancement from employees or companions or even players.

Sombraziel
10-30-2018, 05:50 AM
Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking too, well, I guess it all depends on the importance devs give to the multi-player