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dusta01
04-09-2006, 11:04 PM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/F00bs/_MG_3520temp.jpg

and another shot

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/F00bs/_MG_3494temp.jpg


So it cant be said it doesn't exist. Now you have photographic evidence it exists http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lets see the cockpit changed pretty please <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> </pre>

dusta01
04-09-2006, 11:04 PM
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/F00bs/_MG_3520temp.jpg

and another shot

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/F00bs/_MG_3494temp.jpg


So it cant be said it doesn't exist. Now you have photographic evidence it exists http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lets see the cockpit changed pretty please <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> </pre>

Monson74
04-10-2006, 12:39 AM
What version is this?

dusta01
04-10-2006, 12:55 AM
P40E

NekoReaperman
04-10-2006, 08:58 AM
can we have the padded leather seat too? :-)

Lordbutter4
04-10-2006, 03:24 PM
All 40s have a fuel gauge in game too. There is one model that has the gauge where you have it in that picture, the rest have a gauge inbetween you feet near the rudder pedals. Take a quick look see.

TooCool_12f
04-10-2006, 03:25 PM
nobody said it didn't exist... only the model we have is, accordingly to devs, equipped with a gauge that was on the floor which, at the time it was added to the game, could not operate within the game engine...

Now, one can wonder whether the panel you see in your pic is accurate (many warbirds have more modern instrumenst or instruments they never had before, simply for practical issues).

you can see another P40E restored in new zealand here:

http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/pages/ofmcp401.html

and it has no fuel gauge at that place

ElAurens
04-10-2006, 05:42 PM
The triangular metal on bottom of the windscreen sides tells me this is a later version, not an E.

Foobs_450Sqn
04-10-2006, 06:12 PM
That is from Col Paye's P40E.

I have a pilots manual here that tells me that the fuel gauge is in the same place as it is in the picture.

dusta01
04-10-2006, 06:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
The triangular metal on bottom of the windscreen sides tells me this is a later version, not an E. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Serial #: AK752
Construction #: 15133
Civil Registration:
N96045
VH-KTH
N440PE
Model(s):
P-40E
Kittyhawk Mk. 1a
looks like an E to me

ElAurens
04-10-2006, 07:27 PM
Well it must have had a later model windscreen fitted along the way somewhere, as the triangular fillets were only on later production models originally.

Stigler_9_JG52
04-10-2006, 10:57 PM
Pilots Manuals are usually the best reference for figuring this kind of thing out. Most of the ones I've seen have a definitive control panel layout and description. However, even then, there were field mods and "jury-rigged" examples of aircraft in real use, so it might take some effort to figure out what was "representative". However, back to the Pilot's Manuals, you can't go "wrong" with what the plane was equipped with out of the factory, can you?

stansdds
04-11-2006, 04:22 AM
I gotta agree with Stigler, restored aircraft sometimes have cockpits that are close to original, but not always faithful to the original. Pilot's handbooks are a different matter. These were written by the aircraft designer/original manufacturer and are usually the best source of information.

dusta01
04-11-2006, 10:10 PM
so if the pilots manual for the p40e says the fuel gauge is where it is in the pics i posted you would have to think that col pay has restored this aircraft as close as possible to the original layout.

stansdds
04-12-2006, 04:18 AM
Looking at the pictures at the top of this post, I'd say this plane is a pretty authentic restoration. The colors look right, the guages look right and I don't see a GPS unit or a modern radio stack placed in the panel like I have seen in many restored aircraft.

blindpugh
04-12-2006, 07:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NekoReaperman:
can we have the padded leather seat too? :-) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I'd rather have the correct performance

I450IVex
04-12-2006, 06:19 PM
that stupid hidden fuel guage on the floor doesn't work anyway.

what gives me the irrits is the tomahawk has one, and the P-40E even has a switch on the panel for the fuel guage...

chris455
04-13-2006, 10:40 AM
Forget the fuel gauge.
Fix the damage model.

ivankuturkokoff
04-14-2006, 04:38 PM
Operational P40E/M/N did Not have a fuel guage on the main panel it was on the floor as depicted in the sim.

I450IVex
04-14-2006, 07:04 PM
well it doesnt work and you can hardly see it.
and it doesnt light up with the rest of them.

stansdds
04-15-2006, 05:36 AM
How can you fly without a working fuel guage? Just fly around until the engine dies?

polak5
04-15-2006, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stansdds:
How can you fly without a working fuel guage? Just fly around until the engine dies? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just head home when the warning light comes home. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ElAurens
04-15-2006, 09:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stansdds:
How can you fly without a working fuel guage? Just fly around until the engine dies? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, unlike the Bf 109 or early Spits, the P40 actually has a rather good range. Generally a real world "combat radius" of 300 miles, assuming full fuel and a drop tank. In the game this would be like flying across (East to West)the Gulf Of Finland map, fighting, then flying all the way back, and having tea and medals at the end of it. Twice.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Pig_Mac
04-16-2006, 08:24 AM
Padded seats? you can't handle padded seats!

SnailRunner
04-19-2006, 09:36 AM
well 80% of the lost P-40`s in our campaign was because of crash landings with no fuel left.

We lost a total of 17 P-40`s cause of "broken/missing" gauge

5 pilots refused to fly the P-40`s after first 3 campaign missions

Had to give them H-canes or they simply wouldnt fly.

P-40 is great, enjoy all versions, but there is something fishy about the fuel...

DF maps its ok, but as soon as tactics (Not just flying short route)and some bombs come in it just well wierd.

And they didnt go to berlin and back, some times a 35 min mis and they had to ditch plane.

If you fly cruise speed with cruise settings, you can get pretty good distance. If you add war envirement (Flak-planes-ships-stress) then it simply dry out the tank before you know it. And the litle warning lamp...well that litle "helper" is a "killer" on missions. You need to head home before it turns on lol

Just a few things from me

HotelBushranger
04-22-2006, 08:29 AM
What campaign? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Nimits
07-18-2006, 09:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And they didnt go to berlin and back, some times a 35 min mis and they had to ditch plane. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is weird, because in my offline experiance, it always seems its the Hurris that have trouble flying there and back again on one tank . . .

I450IVex
07-19-2006, 02:40 AM
I have never run dry in a P-40.

TooCool_12f
07-19-2006, 02:54 PM
on my very first flying lesson, my instructor told me to forget about the fuel gauge. it is unreliable, even today (not to speak of back then)...

you know how long your plane can fly and you know how long you've been flying. from there on, you know how long you can stay in the air.

The only times I end up out of fuel in a P40 is when I get a fuel leak far from my own base. then, I manage to climb as high as possible and glide back home when the engine has quit... it's qiute a nice glider btw... from 5000m you can glide almost 50km with ease

Platypus_1.JaVA
08-06-2006, 02:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TooCool_12f:
on my very first flying lesson, my instructor told me to forget about the fuel gauge. it is unreliable, even today (not to speak of back then)...

you know how long your plane can fly and you know how long you've been flying. from there on, you know how long you can stay in the air.

The only times I end up out of fuel in a P40 is when I get a fuel leak far from my own base. then, I manage to climb as high as possible and glide back home when the engine has quit... it's qiute a nice glider btw... from 5000m you can glide almost 50km with ease </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It might be more important in a combat situation over enemy territroy with no safe place to land then in a Cessna 152, somewhere over friendly skies in peace time.

But on the other hand, the fuel gauge is always rather small and doesn't look important either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Stackhouse25th
08-07-2006, 05:55 PM
fly with 100% fuel. At 2 hours flight time, RTB.

Problem solved. Enjoy -

Nimits
08-09-2006, 09:12 PM
The non-functional fuel gauge of the P-40 is another one of those bugs that, well, just bug me. But, on the other hand, according to the FAA, the only time a fuel tank has to be accurate is when it is on empty . . . and that standard of accuracy has not changed much from World War II. The USN generally trained its pilots to figure range based on time in flight at various fuel consumption rates, given the often unreliable fuel gauges in most of its single engine planes, especially after the installation of self-sealing fuel tanks.

Treetop64
08-10-2006, 04:13 PM
Hah! You think the fuel gauge in the P-40 is bad, get a load of the ones in any singe-engine piston Cessna! Now THAT'S an unreliable fuel gauge.