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Pigeon_
11-13-2008, 03:41 PM
The LaGG is pretty much the only plane I truely detest flying. However, others seem to do quite well in it. What's the secret? I think I remember reading something about changing radiator settings to improve handling... Also, what is the difference between the different types?

Pigeon_
11-13-2008, 03:41 PM
The LaGG is pretty much the only plane I truely detest flying. However, others seem to do quite well in it. What's the secret? I think I remember reading something about changing radiator settings to improve handling... Also, what is the difference between the different types?

WTE_Galway
11-13-2008, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_:
I think I remember reading something about changing radiator settings to improve handling... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Lagg handles like a cement truck with flat tires at low speed with radiator cowl open. Keep the radiator closed at low speed.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_: Also, what is the difference between the different types? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Series 4
two 7.62 mm (ShKAS) MG
one 12.7 mm MG
one 20 mm ShVAK Cannon

Series 29
1 x 12.7 mm MG
Either 1 x 20 mm ShVAK Cannon OR
1 x 23 mm VYa-23 Cannon

Series 35
As for series 29 but faster and handles better

Series 66
1 x 12.7 mm MG
1 x 20 mm ShVAK Cannon
Faster and better handling again over series 35

Lagg IT
1 x 12.7 mm MG
1 x 37 mm NS-37 Cannon
Speed and handling more like the series 29 or 35 but awesome 37mm cannon

Lagg RD
This is the Jet

JSG72
11-13-2008, 04:03 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And change sides during campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Divine-Wind
11-13-2008, 04:06 PM
I have to say, I find the LaGG pretty fun to fly. I might be biased of course, since it's one of my favorites. (... Even though I don't actually fly it alot... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

Sillius_Sodus
11-13-2008, 04:07 PM
Hey Pigeon_,

I'm sure some experts here will be able to enlighten you better but for now here is a basic rundown on the type:

Most Russian a/c don't as well above 5000m so try to stay below that. The LaGG3 is not too bad for an early war a/c. I fly it a lot offline and it does the job nicely if you stay fast. The Russians put a radial engine in it and it became the La-5 and with more improvements it became the La-7, which is a very good fighter. The La's, especially the -5 and -7 turn well and are pretty fast at low altitude, especially the La-7. They have decent firepower but like most Russian fighters, they do not carry very much ammunition.

I've heard that online, the La-7 is considered a noob plane but what the heck, if it's available take it up, it's a fun ride.

PanzerAce2.0
11-13-2008, 04:14 PM
I actually prefer the LaGG for an anti bomber role, because short of the cannon armed I-16, it seems to be the most powerful early war russian plane, and it's MUCH faster than either of the radials.

Pigeon_
11-13-2008, 05:10 PM
Ok, thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And change sides during campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif eh?

JSG72
11-13-2008, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_:
Ok, thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JSG72:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And change sides during campaign. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif eh? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Being Facetious.(Not me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif)

I was referring to the possibility that someone/everyone, may find the Lagg. A dog to fly(Not a War winner). Jeez!

leitmotiv
11-13-2008, 05:24 PM
How to fly a LaGG? Very gingerly.

TX-EcoDragon
11-13-2008, 05:30 PM
The Lagg has some reasonably strong points in my experience - it has strong vertical performance when at very low speeds, and it has a tight turning circle as well. It is also more forgiving than many aircraft. In a low altitude knife fight it's perfectly capable.

It gets out of its element quickly as speed builds up - and you don't want to try to out dive anything, and running is a bad idea too. If you are out of ammo, go for the maneuver kill if all else fails.

M_Gunz
11-13-2008, 07:00 PM
Early LaGG is a bit like early P-40. Don't get real slow in combat. Best used in teams.

Good points: it can take more than other early VVS fighters and has better offense capability.
Exception is early IL2 and that is a big exception.

TS_Sancho
11-13-2008, 08:02 PM
The Lagg will break a lot of bad habits, it doesnt tolerate a sloppy pilot.Keep it smooth and fast, it bleeds E with every twitch and builds it back reluctantly.Remember to lean the mixture as you gain altitude, adjust supercharger and pull back on your throttle and prop pitch if you close the cowl flaps.All things said, I find the Lagg oddly cool.

TSmoke
11-13-2008, 08:12 PM
The Lagg for me is plane number three on a list of only 5 I like to fly.
Keep it fairly fast but if your low and slow it is very capable of handling that as well.

Easy on the stick no big quick moves it will slow down fast, then you have to get out and push to get your speed back.

TinyTim
11-13-2008, 08:15 PM
Lagg is a varnished coffin. The only contemporary adversary I feel confident to engage on equal terms is Bf-109G6 when I'm in a s66. E4, F4 and G2 dance around (and above) earlier versions, not to even mention 190s.

(Very) poor terminal dive velocity, poor climb, poor energy retention, poor acceleration... good guns tho, lots of ammo (for russian standards). Also, good durability (partially to non-updated damage model, which makes the engine hard to kill). Good bomber destroyer and ground strafer, but easy to get PKed in one due to no armor windshield.

F16_Neo
11-14-2008, 05:09 AM
I find the later models quite usable, earlier models seem a bit too powerless to maintain turns.
As said earlier, it's not a speed monster, and easily breaks up in a dive.
The best thing about the later LaGGs is that most people underestimate it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
It turns on par with or better than contemporary Germans at med speed, is robust - and don't forget the mighty VyA23! My favorite gun, wish the Yak 9 had it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Pigeon_
11-14-2008, 03:53 PM
I flew the 66 type online today. As you guys told me, I flew it very gently. I almost got a 262, downed a 190 and severely damaged a 109, all in the same sortie! Now, all that's left for me to decide is if it's ugly or beautiful... I just don't know! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VW-IceFire
11-14-2008, 06:43 PM
The Series 66 is a passable fighter...try the Series 4...its terrible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I enjoy flying the Series 4 now and again actually. Its kind of twisted of me I guess.

Divine-Wind
11-14-2008, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pigeon_:
I flew the 66 type online today. As you guys told me, I flew it very gently. I almost got a 262, downed a 190 and severely damaged a 109, all in the same sortie! Now, all that's left for me to decide is if it's ugly or beautiful... I just don't know! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is so hawt I heard that Lenin came back from the dead just so he could do it with a LaGG.

M_Gunz
11-14-2008, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The Series 66 is a passable fighter...try the Series 4...its terrible http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I enjoy flying the Series 4 now and again actually. Its kind of twisted of me I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can score in a c.r.a.p plane then it is more satisfying, ain't it?

JtD
11-15-2008, 12:40 AM
I actually don't think that the LaGG-3 is that bad, it is about competitive with the 109 below 5-4 km. The S4 has to be flown very differently from the later models, as it is rather easily outmaneuvered by some of the 109. I use it as hit and run plane almost solely. I go up to 5km, and if someone's lower I kill, if he's higher I run. The firepower is good, so you get kills, and in a shallow dive (at max. dive speed) it outruns the early 109's including the F-4, so you get out of trouble. It's maneuverable enough to not be hit that easily and it's tough enough to not be killed that easily. I'd say it is on par with a 109E and F-2, but considerably worse than the F-4.
The later models are better used as dogfighters, as they generally have less firepower and are more maneuverable than the S4. Against the 109 you should be using diving turns and employ flaps, so you have a distinct turning advantage over them.

Gadje
11-17-2008, 10:30 AM
Incidently its a sign off how aircraft have been changed(sorted in this case) by Oleg over the years, that a couple of years ago, possibly longer the 35 model was a Bf-109G-2 killer.

200kg too light at the time I believe.....still good days for LaGG lovers.

Treetop64
11-17-2008, 05:15 PM
The LaGG is actually a good plane to fly and fight in, as long as you pick your battles...

Taking off, you'll want to turn 15-20 clicks of left rudder trim, and still apply a little rudder on the roll until you rotate.

Flying the 4-Series and fighting against the Emil you are about equal in terms of plane vs. plane performance. However, your biggest advantage (and inevitibly, biggest skin-saver) is tactical initiative. Engage in the fight only if you have the advantage, and only when you can call the shots.

If you are facing "F" model 109s or FWs, turn and run if you can. These guys have every advantage over you: speed, turn performance, dive and climb rate. Forget it. RTB. If you are forced to fight, then head for the deck and make it a NoE turn fight, as that will be your only fighting chance against these guys, and even then your #1 priority is just to survive.

The later model LaGGs fare better as they are faster and a bit more durable, and the slatted models have better turn performance, but the same period 109s and 190s are also improved, so nothing really changes tactically. Also, the late model LaGGs still profusely bleed energy with any violent maneuver, so do this with caution.

Against any bomber, you dominate. Just hit them from the sides and front and you'll be OK. Be careful about coming up from behind since the gunners have more time to aim and from their perspective, you are not much of a moving target.

HayateAce
11-17-2008, 05:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
Incidently its a sign off how aircraft have been changed(sorted in this case) by Oleg over the years, that a couple of years ago, possibly longer the 35 model was a Bf-109G-2 killer.

200kg too light at the time I believe.....still good days for LaGG lovers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and the 109G2's weight has yet to be "sorted" and never will. It is around 250kg too light.

BTW, the LaGG 35 is STILL one heckuva 109 killer. I love the 23mm!

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Erkki_M
11-17-2008, 11:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gadje:
Incidently its a sign off how aircraft have been changed(sorted in this case) by Oleg over the years, that a couple of years ago, possibly longer the 35 model was a Bf-109G-2 killer.

200kg too light at the time I believe.....still good days for LaGG lovers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

...and the 109G2's weight has yet to be "sorted" and never will. It is around 250kg too light.

BTW, the LaGG 35 is STILL one heckuva 109 killer. I love the 23mm!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol

If possible, dont fly the series 4. Its the very worst V-VS aircraft after the first MiG-3. Take the 109 behind you to high speed(unless if you fly the series 4...), cut power and scissor. You will lose speed quicker, and he will overshoot - just make sure he wont hit you before that. In a bigger fight, most LaGGs are stable enough for long-range sniping. The Vya23 helps with that. Also notice, that you will be able to escape the 109G2 at low altitude, if you're in a series 66 LaGG. Just remember to trim.

HayateAce
11-18-2008, 12:39 AM
Good point, you can LeGG it in a LaGG now and again. I dial the fuel mix up to 120%....I have no idea if that does anything, it's just become a speed habit.

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Ba5tard5word
11-18-2008, 01:27 AM
I play with complex engine off (I'm still working my way up through the realism settings) and the Series 66 is pretty good.

FWIW I've noticed though that it's very tough to deal with when the AI is flying it against me, they must have given its AI an extra kick. It just keeps flipping in weird patterns that make it hard to catch and hit. By comparison the La-5 and Yak-9's are rather lazy. The Yak 1B is tough because it likes to loop around a lot when tailed, but not as much as the LaGG.

gamer025
11-18-2008, 02:33 AM
I don't understand how you guys say it's well armed. One 12.7mm MG and 1 20mm cannon isn't well-armed to me.

The 20mm is okay but you only have one and a single 12.7mm MG isn't a lot of firepower. Compared with contemporary fighters this thing is barely armed at all.

Gadje
11-18-2008, 04:37 AM
The 29 and 35 models have a 23mm cannon option. Both this and the 20mm Shvak firing through the prop hub are laser like in trajectory as is the UB machine gun. Snipers aircraft not for spraying.....not enough ammo.

The 66 is still a good aircraft to fly, the others........hmmm! Lets say a challenge http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JtD
11-18-2008, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gamer025:
I don't understand how you guys say it's well armed. One 12.7mm MG and 1 20mm cannon isn't well-armed to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I for one said the S4 is well armed, with a 20mm cannon, 2x12.7 and 2x7.62 it is rather well armed for a fighter of that period and also for a Soviet fighter.

The VYa wasn't used in serial production, so I rarely use it. It is good, though, but had been better a few patches ago.

FlatSpinMan
11-18-2008, 08:17 AM
If you want a fun setting to fly this, the Mig3 and the I-16, I heartily recommend Browning50cal's campaign based around the Siege of Leningrad. Excellent fun, well constructed missions, informative and interesting briefings plus a chance to try out what everyone has been talking about in this thread.
Here's a link to the thread in Mission builders.
"The Siege" (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/50910533/m/9001039207)

Pigeon_
11-18-2008, 08:50 AM
Yep, looks like fun! I had already downloaded it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Divine-Wind
11-18-2008, 09:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JtD:
I for one said the S4 is well armed, with a 20mm cannon, 2x12.7 and 2x7.62 it is rather well armed for a fighter of that period and also for a Soviet fighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes... I find that 5 guns are quite adequate for early war fights. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Of course, even the vaunted Mk 108 is worthless unless you can aim.

HayateAce
11-18-2008, 11:41 AM
Ok, well armed for pilots that are great shots. If your gunnery is average, get in a 190.

JtD
11-18-2008, 12:31 PM
There is a 23mm VYa.

Xiolablu3
11-18-2008, 01:02 PM
Althjough awful to fly, the firepower of the series 4 is pretty awesome for a 1941 RUssian plane.

Its has almost as good firepower as a Spitfire V 1941, and thats a heavily armed bird in that year. (only the FW190 and Hurri IIc are better I think)

If you can get the guy in your sights and actually hit, then the Series 4 firepower will rip him apart.

Thats at least one good feature of the Lagg3. However that sonly the early series 4, and the later versions have less good firepower. for fighter to fighter work.

Bremspropeller
11-18-2008, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There is a 23mm VYa. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but as stated above, not in serial production.

Aaron_GT
11-18-2008, 01:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If possible, dont fly the series 4. Its the very worst V-VS aircraft after the first MiG-3. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Back in the day I played on online war with a squadron. We started out in those early MiG-3s, graduated to the ones with wing gun pods, and finally moved up to the Lagg-3s4. Boy were we happy to have something with such powerful armament all concentrated in the nose!

One hint, though - if your squad leader suggests a good way to allow identification of planes in a no-icon situation by having coloured noses do not opt to be the one with the yellow nose when fighting 109E7s...

WTE_Galway
11-18-2008, 03:13 PM
You can surprise people online occasionally with the 37mm in the 3IT, they do not expect it.

But you really don't want to dogfight in the IT.

Stiletto-
11-19-2008, 05:52 PM
A few years ago I did a friendly furball with a few friends that were very casual Il-2 players. I was able to snipe this one guy coming at me head on from probably almsot a KM out.Then i did it a second time in a row, 2/2. That was the only time I was flying the IT version that night as well. I found it to be very accurate and impressive.

VW-IceFire
11-19-2008, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by gamer025:
I don't understand how you guys say it's well armed. One 12.7mm MG and 1 20mm cannon isn't well-armed to me.

The 20mm is okay but you only have one and a single 12.7mm MG isn't a lot of firepower. Compared with contemporary fighters this thing is barely armed at all. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Depends on the model that is being talked about.

The Series 4 version in-game has 2x7.62mm, 2x12.7mm, and 1x20mm cannon. For a 1941 fighter thats one hell of a wallop. Unfortunately that means that its handling is horrible.

The two middle series versions available are capable of mounting the 23mm VYa cannon which really rips aircraft to pieces.

The Series 66 is the best performing but has the least amount of firepower. Still, a 20mm ShVAK and and a 12.7mm UBS machine gun is a decent amount of firepower. Russian aerial guns, particularly the Berezin UBS, are excellent weapons. The UB/UBS is the best heavy machine gun in the game and probably the best heavy machine gun in the world at the time. The ShVAK isn't the best...probably third place behind the Hispano and MG151/20 but its still reasonably potent and has a good balance of rate of fire, muzzle velocity, and damage.