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TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 03:53 AM
Why have I received a warning and you made all my emblems pink for displaying a swastika?!

For the Hindus and Buddhists in India and other Asian countries, the swastika was an important symbol for many thousands of years and, to this day, the symbol can still be seen in abundance - on temples, buses, taxis, and on the cover of books. It was also used in Ancient Greece and can be found in the remains of the ancient city of Troy, which existed 4,000 years ago. The ancient Druids and the Celts also used the symbol, reflected in many artefacts that have been discovered. It was used by Nordic tribes and even early Christians used the Swastika as one of their symbols, including the Teutonic Knights, a German medieval military order, which became a purely religious Catholic Order. But why is this symbol so important and why did Adolf Hitler decide to use it?

The word ‘swastika’ is a Sanskrit word (‘svasktika’) meaning ‘It is’, ‘Well Being’, ‘Good Existence, and ‘Good Luck’. However, it is also known by different names in different countries - like ‘Wan’ in China, ‘Manji’ in Japan, ‘Fylfot’ in England, ‘Hakenkreuz’ in Germany and ‘Tetraskelion’ or ‘Tetragammadion’ in Greece.

Swastika - Positive and Negative ShapesA Sanskrit scholar P. R. Sarkar in 1979 said that the deeper meaning of the word is ‘Permanent Victory’. He also said that as any symbol it can have positive and negative meaning depending on how it is drawn. So in Hinduism, the right-hand swastika is a symbol of the God Vishnu and the Sun, while the left-hand swastika is a symbol of Kali and Magic. The double meaning of symbols is common in ancient traditions, like for example the symbol of the pentagram (five pointed star), which is viewed as negative when pointing downwards, and positive when pointing upwards.

Mezine SwastikaThe earliest swastika ever found was uncovered in Mezine, Ukraine, carved on an ivory figurine, which dates an incredible 12,000 years, and one of the earliest cultures that are known to have used the Swastika was a Neolithic culture in Southern Europe, in the area that is now Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, known as the Vinca Culture, which dates back around 8,000 years.



It is ridiculous that this even needs saying and goes to show how brainwashed and dull the population is about human history.
There is enough intelligent people on the internet and gaming community to make this blow up, do you really think censorship is the best policy?

I can already hear someone speaking about WW2. What was the Haavara agreement and Balfour declaration? What happens when thousands of people are cut off from medical and food supplies? How many people are oppressed and even sacrificed by people with hexagrams? How about how many died for a cross?

Utterly ridiculous.

MCBooma16
09-21-2018, 04:21 AM
If I'm to be completely honest, I really don't care about religion and would prefer not having to see a religious symbol of any kind in any game. It isn't necessary.

To be fair, I don't recall ever learning about the symbol you're talking about except for the fact that nazi germany flipped it around to support their own propaganda. The average person won't recognize the correct one at first glance, and in a game, where people can troll and be salt bags, you're setting yourself up for the wrong impression from others.

Out of all you can make with the emblem editor, you choose something that WILL be mistaken for something dark and evil. I doubt Ubisoft would allow any form of swastika, regardless if yours is the right way or not.

I understand your intentions are good, but many others won't recognize or care. At this point in time the general shape of the symbol is seen as evil. There are better symbols to use.

Tundra 793
09-21-2018, 04:22 AM
Far from the first time this has been brought up, and it's probably gonna get locked. Also; I'm pretty sure this either a troll post, or you're just actually super dedicated to your religion.

But in the event you're sincere, and before this gets locked; Stuff like swastika emblems, and even certain Runes, and runic combinations of emblems tend to get super reported, and then reset, 'cause the Support and Customer Service departments have a hard enough job as is, and being rather strict on emblems is probably just one way to streamline their jobs, and the players' experience in one stroke.

Assuming again, that you're not a troll; It really would be great if more effort could be made to enlighten people about religious symbolism, and Nazi symbolism. Nazi's merely appropriated existed imagery, and it's incredibly annoying that because the Nazis got like 6 years of use out of them, here we are 80 years later, and we still can't use specific symbols, even though they were around long before the Nazis.

Vrbas1
09-21-2018, 04:24 AM
Good luck with this thread.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 04:40 AM
If I'm to be completely honest, I really don't care about religion and would prefer not having to see a religious symbol of any kind in any game. It isn't necessary.

To be fair, I don't recall ever learning about the symbol you're talking about except for the fact that nazi germany flipped it around to support their own propaganda. The average person won't recognize the correct one at first glance, and in a game, where people can troll and be salt bags, you're setting yourself up for the wrong impression from others.

Out of all you can make with the emblem editor, you choose something that WILL be mistaken for something dark and evil. I doubt Ubisoft would allow any form of swastika, regardless if yours is the right way or not.

I understand your intentions are good, but many others won't recognize or care. At this point in time the general shape of the symbol is seen as evil. There are better symbols to use.

And if I were to be completely honest, we live in the age of information and ignorance is a choice. The first ever record of coat of arms is the Bayeux tapestry. Depicting a cross and on some of the shields arguably crosses that looks like swastikas. So I dont really care what your or some other persons opinion is. Censorship of spiritual expression is just as cancerous on humanity as censorship of free speak and expression.

It is not dark and evil at all. The failure of the Haavara agreement because of the Balfour declaration was a horrible act, not the ancient symbol.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 04:53 AM
Far from the first time this has been brought up, and it's probably gonna get locked. Also; I'm pretty sure this either a troll post, or you're just actually super dedicated to your religion.

But in the event you're sincere, and before this gets locked; Stuff like swastika emblems, and even certain Runes, and runic combinations of emblems tend to get super reported, and then reset, 'cause the Support and Customer Service departments have a hard enough job as is, and being rather strict on emblems is probably just one way to streamline their jobs, and the players' experience in one stroke.

Assuming again, that you're not a troll; It really would be great if more effort could be made to enlighten people about religious symbolism, and Nazi symbolism. Nazi's merely appropriated existed imagery, and it's incredibly annoying that because the Nazis got like 6 years of use out of them, here we are 80 years later, and we still can't use specific symbols, even though they were around long before the Nazis.

That is sad that an this is something that people see as acceptable. Shutting down of freedom/spiritual expression is something that goes against what I thought we all hold dearly, fought and died over...
Making a job of it in the first place could have been the best way to streamline their work flow in my opinion. I will always be for freedom of expression, I thought that it was the axiom that all previous generations sacrificed themselves defending western civilization so that we could have these freedoms.

The world would change fast if the truth was known.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 05:01 AM
Speech* sorry.

Arekonator
09-21-2018, 09:08 AM
With this name, i am totally sure you are worried about freedom of expression.

ChampionRuby50g
09-21-2018, 10:16 AM
I sense a nuke inbound on this thread, but yeah I wanna say something regardless.

Look mate, I get where you are coming from and why you would be passionate about this. But saying “goes to show how brainwashed and dull the population is about human history” is just not the right way you should go about. I love any kind of history, but mostly ancient history. I learned through my own research the different meanings and origins of the swastika. But when I was in school, I was only taught about the Nazi Swastika. And many people once taught that leave it at that and don’t want to look into it further. And that’s completely fine. If they don’t know, you educate them in a polite way and then that perhaps will get them interested again, and then study it. Not calling them “brainwashed and dull”.

But then there is the modern day issue of “nazis”. That word is thrown around far to much these days, and many people are been accused of been a nazi when no such thing. And to call someone a nazi can be offensive to the individual. But it is the modern age, and while I do respect traditions of the past and religions to some extent, and people are always going to think of the swastika in a bad way, because of the actions of one other man. That’s just the way it is. Players can not tell if your swastika emblem is meaning whatever is important to you, and the majority would see it as you been a nazi and trolling.

The way I see it, it’s a reportable offence and for good reason. Those who may be directly related to people who suffered under that flag who would see that symbol as one of hate and oppression. People who do it as a joke, joking about a genocide.

If the swastika is an important symbol to you, I’m sure there are other important symbols related to whatever you follow. Choose that instead of something you know is going to create controversy.

CandleInTheDark
09-21-2018, 11:59 AM
The way I see it, it’s a reportable offence and for good reason. Those who may be directly related to people who suffered under that flag who would see that symbol as one of hate and oppression. People who do it as a joke, joking about a genocide.

That is pretty much exactly the problem anyone trying to use it in the way it was originally intended will have. My grandmother was sent to Auschwitz because she had escaped a number of other camps, she would talk about anything else about the war we asked about but never, ever that and the look in her eyes, given she was a strong woman in every other aspect, that is what that symbol means to me personally, the symbol of hatred that did that to her. Then when you get idiots using that emblem who text chat nazi slogans or people on the far right who still use that symbol, none of that helps move past the past. To some people, I guess you can say thankfully less from living experience, that symbol is always going to be one of hatred and genocide in a way that we have long moves past in other symbols (since yes the Christians did not better with their cross back in the day). Assuming that op is one of the people who think of it in another way and would wear it as others do crosses, it's a shame that we are probably a few generations away from that not being the case.

Which isn't to say that how OP uses it is bad but I hope there is also understanding as to why some of us do take so strongly against it.

HazelrahFirefly
09-21-2018, 12:23 PM
It's a shame, and I get why the OP would be disappointed (if he's not a troll), but that symbol has been effectively marred for the reminder of humanity's existence. You can be displeased about it, but the fault lies in a not-even-yet-defeated belief that began a hundred years ago that led to 80 million people dying. If you truly believe in the religion that originated the symbol than you will understand why it must remain the way it is.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 12:36 PM
That is pretty much exactly the problem anyone trying to use it in the way it was originally intended will have. My grandmother was sent to Auschwitz because she had escaped a number of other camps, she would talk about anything else about the war we asked about but never, ever that and the look in her eyes, given she was a strong woman in every other aspect, that is what that symbol means to me personally, the symbol of hatred that did that to her. Then when you get idiots using that emblem who text chat nazi slogans or people on the far right who still use that symbol, none of that helps move past the past. To some people, I guess you can say thankfully less from living experience, that symbol is always going to be one of hatred and genocide in a way that we have long moves past in other symbols (since yes the Christians did not better with their cross back in the day). Assuming that op is one of the people who think of it in another way and would wear it as others do crosses, it's a shame that we are probably a few generations away from that not being the case.

Which isn't to say that how OP uses it is bad but I hope there is also understanding as to why some of us do take so strongly against it.

No, facts dont change based on peoples opinions. The Swastika is and will always be one of the most sacred and special spiritual symbols on the planet. Im sorry your grandmother had to go through the haavara agreement parameters that was agreed between the zionist leadership and hitler to create a jewish state and supplement Balfour declaration (to achieve the same ends) that saw a war devastate not only the jewish population but also the rest of the European races. The jewish people have had an issue with being exiled for numerous reasons from 106 nations over the years.

Some could argue that the 'star of david' is a symbol of modern day oppression globally, considering the major sectors of finance, media, entertainment/propaganda are dominated by jews selling vices and manipulating culture and virtues to achieve their means its essentially slavery with more steps. The 'war on terror' has currently killed more then 20 million people from 46 nations, there is literally a genocide in Palestine as we speak slowely being done.

The victors write history in the end and the truth is sometimes ugly. Censoring and oppressing expression and discussion is the building blocks for the end of freedom.

The_B0G_
09-21-2018, 01:08 PM
No, facts dont change based on peoples opinions. The Swastika is and will always be one of the most sacred and special spiritual symbols on the planet. Im sorry your grandmother had to go through the haavara agreement parameters that was agreed between the zionist leadership and hitler to create a jewish state and supplement Balfour declaration (to achieve the same ends) that saw a war devastate not only the jewish population but also the rest of the European races. The jewish people have had an issue with being exiled for numerous reasons from 106 nations over the years.

Some could argue that the 'star of david' is a symbol of modern day oppression globally, considering the major sectors of finance, media, entertainment/propaganda are dominated by jews selling vices and manipulating culture and virtues to achieve their means its essentially slavery with more steps. The 'war on terror' has currently killed more then 20 million people from 46 nations, there is literally a genocide in Palestine as we speak slowely being done.

The victors write history in the end and the truth is sometimes ugly. Censoring and oppressing expression and discussion is the building blocks for the end of freedom.

Go home Nazi, you're drunk. It's a video game forum, I'm sure there are other forums where you can talk about anything you want. People come here to talk about a game they enjoy, not a dark part of recent history.

Video games take place on the internet these days, the fact you think you can use a swastika for your emblem and get away with it is very naive, it's almost like you used it just to go on this big rant once it got banned, if you're smart enough to know all this about history, you should be smart enough to know this about the modern age, we live in the times of "I'm offended". I won't even mention the fact you called Jewish people Jews either, oops, nevermind, I just did.

bannex19
09-21-2018, 01:12 PM
I believe your fight isn't with the for honor community but with the dictator that took "the most sacred symbol ever" and turned it into the most infamous one.

Also, the fact that it is used ad nauseam by trolls and neo fascists everywhere should be a clue that maybe you should find another symbol or go to Nike and see if they'll put you into a commercial for being so courageous.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 01:37 PM
Go home Nazi, you're drunk. It's a video game forum, I'm sure there are other forums where you can talk about anything you want. People come here to talk about a game they enjoy, not a dark part of recent history.

Video games take place on the internet these days, the fact you think you can use a swastika for your emblem and get away with it is very naive, it's almost like you used it just to go on this big rant once it got banned, if you're smart enough to know all this about history, you should be smart enough to know this about the modern age, we live in the times of "I'm offended". I won't even mention the fact you called Jewish people Jews either, oops, nevermind, I just did.

How would you like it if I start slandering you?
I have not said anything that suggest I am subscribe to the German nationalist socialist party ideology nor would it be a bad thing if my political views lent towards a socialistic nationalist society like the one I am in currently. Im proud to be a kiwi.

Its a video game forum and as my thread in this forum clearly states that Im raising the issue of being censored over an ancient symbol that arguably was one of the first coat of arms. Since this is what the emblem is I see some relevance. If you ever had any concerns I would hope you too would raise them to the community.
What happen if no one stands up for the truth? I here jewish people referencing themselves as 'jews' all the time. Dr. Avraham Katsnelsons grandson Miko Peled openly says it and other stuff and modern genetic studies are suggesting some stuff too ( A la https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/) so I was just referencing 'modern jews' or if its more appropriate 'modern Judaism followers closed genetic pool'.

Alustar.
09-21-2018, 01:38 PM
No, facts dont change based on peoples opinions. The Swastika is and will always be one of the most sacred and special spiritual symbols on the planet. Im sorry your grandmother had to go through the haavara agreement parameters that was agreed between the zionist leadership and hitler to create a jewish state and supplement Balfour declaration (to achieve the same ends) that saw a war devastate not only the jewish population but also the rest of the European races. The jewish people have had an issue with being exiled for numerous reasons from 106 nations over the years.

Some could argue that the 'star of david' is a symbol of modern day oppression globally, considering the major sectors of finance, media, entertainment/propaganda are dominated by jews selling vices and manipulating culture and virtues to achieve their means its essentially slavery with more steps. The 'war on terror' has currently killed more then 20 million people from 46 nations, there is literally a genocide in Palestine as we speak slowely being done.

The victors write history in the end and the truth is sometimes ugly. Censoring and oppressing expression and discussion is the building blocks for the end of freedom.

First things first: "Goy" is a Jewish term for non Jew. So the non Jew knows. Know what? Know how to be a ****? Knows how to troll(not)?

Bottom line is that this post right here is exactly why you aren't allowed to sport symbols like this. It's kind of funny how it took barely a page of posting for the truth of your anti-Semitic mentality to show. Lol troll harder maybe. People like you are the reason these forums are garbage, and mods that let posts like this continue are the reason the forums will never be taken seriously.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 02:00 PM
First things first: "Goy" is a Jewish term for non Jew. So the non Jew knows. Know what? Know how to be a ****? Knows how to troll(not)?

Bottom line is that this post right here is exactly why you aren't allowed to sport symbols like this. It's kind of funny how it took barely a page of posting for the truth of your anti-Semitic mentality to show. Lol troll harder maybe. People like you are the reason these forums are garbage, and mods that let posts like this continue are the reason the forums will never be taken seriously.

Well after being censored these things happen to express my discontent with being censored. I base my understanding of 'Goy' off of references like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ji_Y7YEbKY
and what the Torah and Talmud say which are rather unsavory and I am stating we know what you think of "us" in protest.

I have absolutely nothing against the Semitic people of Palestine or those who carry the markers from the region. Its incredibly slanderous and assumptive to call me anti anything. I am standing up for truth and freedom of speech.
I believe a rational mind will see I am being honest and open.
I hope you work through what ever is going on to frustrate you about this forum. all honesty I'm new to the game and forum I dont know what type of people are here.

bannex19
09-21-2018, 02:32 PM
Can we lock this thread? This discussion isn't even valid it's just this kid googling nonsense.

The_B0G_
09-21-2018, 02:34 PM
Well after being censored these things happen to express my discontent with being censored. I base my understanding of 'Goy' off of references like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ji_Y7YEbKY
and what the Torah and Talmud say which are rather unsavory and I am stating we know what you think of "us" in protest.

I have absolutely nothing against the Semitic people of Palestine or those who carry the markers from the region. Its incredibly slanderous and assumptive to call me anti anything. I am standing up for truth and freedom of speech.
I believe a rational mind will see I am being honest and open.
I hope you work through what ever is going on to frustrate you about this forum. all honesty I'm new to the game and forum I dont know what type of people are here.

Swastika's are used to troll by 99% of the people that use it, and they do not have best intentions while using it, they try to invoke as much hostility and hate they can, sure this symbol used to mean peace and love and whatever else, but it doesn't any more, and I doubt it ever will again.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 02:34 PM
Can we lock this thread? This discussion isn't even valid it's just this kid googling nonsense.

Far from a child my boy and US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health is not nonsense. If you have no rational conversation to add please leave.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 02:38 PM
Swastika's are used to troll by 99% of the people that use it, and they do not have best intentions while using it, they try to invoke as much hostility and hate they can, sure this symbol used to mean peace and love and whatever else, but it doesn't any more, and I doubt it ever will again.

It still does and always will. No distortion of historic fact will change that. Sadly the internet is full of trolls and shills pushing agendas to attempt to socially engineer public opinion. But if I stand anywhere its with freedom of expression and speech.

Vakris_One
09-21-2018, 02:45 PM
So a guy with the user name that uses the modern Hebrew word for "non-Jew" (Goy) makes a thread about how using the Swastika emblem is harmless because of the original Buddhist meaning. Uh-huh, very interesting so far given his choice of forum name...

Then he goes on to talk down to someone whose grandmother was in a Nazi concentration camp during WW2 which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Haavara agreement and to bring that up out of the blue shows exactly where this person's political leanings and agenda are. Oh yeah, nothing suspicious about this thread at all. Even Reddit has better moderation than this place.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 03:44 PM
So a guy with the user name that uses the modern Hebrew word for "non-Jew" (Goy) makes a thread about how using the Swastika emblem is harmless because of the original Buddhist meaning. Uh-huh, very interesting so far given his choice of forum name...

Then he goes on to talk down to someone whose grandmother was in a Nazi concentration camp during WW2 which has nothing whatsoever to do with the Haavara agreement and to bring that up out of the blue shows exactly where this person's political leanings and agenda are. Oh yeah, nothing suspicious about this thread at all. Even Reddit has better moderation than this place.

Why distort everything im saying? As I said, since I am being censored for my freedom of expression because of 'Jews' and it seems to be illegal to speak about history I changed my tag out of protest.

I never spoke down to anyone, if anything Ive been spoken down too. called a drunk, nonsensical and other ad hominems. I expressed my empathy with his grandmother being round up in the haavara agreement, Stating it has nothing to do with all the jews being moved through the camps on the way out of the country and the horrible conditions braught on by the balfour declaration that saw nations collide on top of them all. Its a matter of factual history, not an opinion.
We all get it you dont want people to express themselves. Move on from the thread so you can emotionally stabilize. I hope if you are being suppressed you voice your concern to empathetic ears unlike what you are displaying.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
09-21-2018, 04:01 PM
The fact youre not using your actual profile shows youre a troll. You created this account just for this post? Doubtful. I dont give a damn what you want to believe, thats your choice. Thankfully this game does not allow that choice, the devs dont want it, they dont allow it. Period. For obvious reasons. If youre to racist or self centered to see that stop playing the game.

TheGoyKnow11
09-21-2018, 04:24 PM
The fact youre not using your actual profile shows youre a troll. You created this account just for this post? Doubtful. I dont give a damn what you want to believe, thats your choice. Thankfully this game does not allow that choice, the devs dont want it, they dont allow it. Period. For obvious reasons. If youre to racist or self centered to see that stop playing the game.

You obviously do not know what you are talking about. On many levels. Ill continue to believe in fact and not some distorted reality. Just vote that people should think what they are told to and leave and stop the aggressiveness.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
09-21-2018, 04:48 PM
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. On many levels. Ill continue to believe in fact and not some distorted reality. Just vote that people should think what they are told to and leave and stop the aggressiveness.

I did and no, you will not tell me what I can and can not respond to on a PUBLIC forum unless theres a Ubisoft in your name. Ill say it again, the Devs do not want it, it is there game, so either deal with it or dont. Believe what you want but do not try and force that on anyone, ever.

I suggest you walk away from this thread because I will do what I have to get it shut down. I have all day to keep responding.

Dry.Fish
09-21-2018, 05:04 PM
Are you a Centurion main by any chance?

Roseguard_Cpt
09-21-2018, 05:07 PM
For those unaware Goy is a Jewish slang term for a non-Jewish person. This brings a bit of questionable morality on the part of OP to this issue for me.

EIGHTYYARDS NYC
09-21-2018, 05:46 PM
For those unaware Goy is a Jewish slang term for a non-Jewish person. This brings a bit of questionable morality on the part of OP to this issue for me.

Didnt know that but thanks. The entire thread is filled with questionable things so I believe you.

UbiJurassic
09-21-2018, 06:30 PM
As many predicted would happen, I'm going to go ahead and close this thread. Put simply, swastikas fall under our criteria of offensive emblems in our Code of Conduct, especially those that seek to replicate Nazi imagery. While I understand that the swastika might mean something substantially more to others, my suggestion would be to express your creativity in the creation of the emblem in other ways that might not be misconstrued by others.