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The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 03:58 PM
Tell me all there is to know and how to use her and how to dominate in her and her streangh and weaknesses, please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 03:58 PM
Tell me all there is to know and how to use her and how to dominate in her and her streangh and weaknesses, please. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

K_Freddie
08-19-2009, 04:01 PM
P47... a girls plane.
Needs high heels (fly away fast)
When high - gets all airy fairey! yeah yeah!
Goes down like a brick - say no more!!!
Get's heavy when you're low... should I say more.

Wait for it...
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The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 04:10 PM
The P-47 is not a girls plane. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 04:11 PM
But I could put some girls in it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Waldo.Pepper
08-19-2009, 04:25 PM
The only thing I know about the P-47 is how not to get shot in it.

Loosen the seat straps and run around.

Romanator21
08-19-2009, 04:46 PM
Not an expert by any means, but I recommend to fly it using short slashing attacks rather than turning too much. If you turn, don't do it in the horizontal, add a vertical component to it. Always keep a good amount of speed; when slow it is sluggish. It is heavy, so it keeps energy, but not in the same way as a Fw-190. Like a 190, make your attack, but afterwords extend in a shallow climb and come around again. Use all 8 guns at once unless you are trying to scare the enemy into making a (bad) move and make sure the enemy is within your convergence to shred him to bits. Don't just send in 2 rounds in a quick burst like in a cannon armed plane, but make sure enough bullets stream in to cause damage (usually this only takes a second long burst)

K_Freddie
08-19-2009, 04:57 PM
There you go - a man of experience..
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The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 06:15 PM
Wow!

She can go 510 mph in level flight at 7500 meters!!!

na85
08-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Unless you're doing ground pounding (which it's really good at) you should establish a hard deck of say, 4000m and stay above it no matter what. Down low the Axis aircraft perform better relative to the Jug, whereas up high you hold more (if not all) of the cards. Once you get below 5km you're going to start finding 190's and 109's above you which is not something you want to have. If you ever get caught low and slow below 3k you might as well bail out and save yourself the time. When I fly German aircraft, seeing a P-47 below me is like Christmas come early.

The Jug performs really well up in the stratosphere where a lot of other aircraft are sputtering and gasping for air.

In squad matches and online wars, the P47 guys live up there at 10km+ and anyone foolish enough to stall out gets promptly jumped on by everyone else and shot into a million tiny pieces.

Flown as an energy fighter, the only real threat to the 47 above 9km is the Ta-152H. The J2M5 is also dangerous up high in Pacific scenarios.

The Ta 152 H series can out climb the P47 Late anywhere above 7000m, and is faster above 8000m. It can also out-turn the 47 just about anywhere. If facing Ta-152's you'd better have a wingman. The C series is less of a threat up high due to its extremely poor turn performance and merely-okay climb rate, but still dangerous in the right hands. Fortunately for Thunderbolt drivers, many online servers seem to regard the Ta 152 as "uber" and don't include it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Best climb speed for the P47 in game is around 280 km/h depending on version.

If you pick up someone on your long 6 who isn't in guns range yet, put it into a shallow dive and extend away. There isn't much that can keep up with a Jug in this region of the envelope. Due to the incorrect modelling of the atmosphere, and the lack of mach effects in IL-2, you can actually fly the P-47 through the sound barrier.

As for convergence, some of the guys here know the "magic numbers" for your range settings that will basically create a "diamond of death" where bullet streams surround the enemy aircraft on all sides and give you good hit rates and stopping power through a reasonably wide range. I generally take the Extra Ammo loadout in the 47, since it has so much fuel and is so heavy already, the extra weight is worth the opportunity for more kills per sortie, especially if you will be strafing ground targets or attacking bombers.

K_Freddie
08-19-2009, 06:37 PM
na85:
seeing that i have a working stick.. which server are you guys most on... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

na85
08-19-2009, 06:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by K_Freddie:
na85:
seeing that i have a working stick.. which server are you guys most on... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I generally fly on Spits vs 109s Mods these days. Sometimes I hop on a Russian server called VINNI PUH IL2 which DKoor told me about. They run 4.08m no mods. It's not on HL but you can connect through XFire or direct connection. I believe their address is il2.kubannet.ru I also compete in the Forgotten Skies online war, which is a blast.

I'd be happy to wing up with you some time. Maybe we can meet up on that SAIX server you pointed me to a while ago (if my ping there is any good).

jayhall0315
08-19-2009, 06:56 PM
That post a few places up Na85 was good stuff for new guys. I have found the P-47 to be a great plane, sorta like the higher altitude sister to the Corsairs, but as you say, it must be flown tight and high. And I agree, anything below about 2500m and you are headed for problems.

na85
08-19-2009, 07:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jayhall0315:
That post a few places up Na85 was good stuff for new guys. I have found the P-47 to be a great plane, sorta like the higher altitude sister to the Corsairs, but as you say, it must be flown tight and high. And I agree, anything below about 2500m and you are headed for problems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

S~

It is indeed a great plane. Not what I would call forgiving, though. Success in the P-47 requires patience and discipline. If the pilot gets greedy he will quickly find himself in a bad situation and at best will be forced to dive away for separation, necessitating a long climb back up to altitude. At worst he will be racing his wings back down to the ground.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Its a turn and burn fighter at sea level for sure!

Now I know you all totaly disagree with me on that.

It can almost hang on the prop! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

na85
08-19-2009, 07:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
Its a turn and burn fighter at sea level for sure!

Now I know you all totaly disagree with me on that.

It can almost hang on the prop! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's do a 1v1 on the deck, you fly the 47, I'll take a 109.

The_Stealth_Owl
08-19-2009, 07:59 PM
I dont play online, but I garuntee me in a P-47 = win. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thekid321
08-19-2009, 08:35 PM
Truth be told Owl, I'm with you on that. I do very good at just above stall speed on the deck

na85
08-19-2009, 08:37 PM
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Against the AI, sure. Try it against a human pilot and you will find the results dramatically different.

Face it guys, the AI is not as dynamic as a human pilot and as a result if you rely on the AI as a measure of anything, your results will be skewed.

Getting to stall speed in a P-47 is not a recipe for success. Bf109 pilots are waiting for your energy to get low, where the 109's excellent acceleration and low speed handling will give him a MAJOR advantage.

skarden
08-19-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm sure you'd try very hard stealth but at that altitude against a 109 with good pilot and it'd be a quick death.Don't confuse playng AI with playing a human pilot that knows what he's doing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

edit: just missed it lol

TS_Sancho
08-19-2009, 10:06 PM
NA85 is spot on. The P47 reigns supreme at alt and speed, get low and slow in P47 and the boogie man will get you every time.

BillSwagger
08-19-2009, 10:11 PM
I fly P-47s 90 percent of the time.

It takes some time to learn its finesse and it has the capacity to be a good fighter down low, but you must keep your speed up.
Dont make the mistake of dog fighting with out first getting some altitude, and getting into a position where you can spiral climb out of your attack. If you intend to fight on deck, you need to climb to about 2000-3000m, but higher is better and will often depend on other traffic in the skies.
Its biggest advantage is its zoom climb, but to utilize it you need to be above 500kph.
Its ability to regain altitude in combat makes it a superior energy fighter.
Rather than turn and burn, I use a series of yo yos and lag turns to gain position with out losing speed.
Going down the TnB path should be avoided as it generally will leave you in a vulnerable position.
The online arcadish enviornment often involves fighting under 2000m, so you risk having someone on your tail in seconds, and with no altitude or speed, there isn't much you can do to shake them.


When flown by the book, (above 6000M) the only planes that compete are the "what if.." planes like the Do-335. They chose not to include the true late variant P-47D-40, or the P-47N which might have an easier time with these planes.
I wouldn't waste my time trying to chase them down and its probably best to avoid fighting them, as they will out perform the P-47 modeled in game.
I still like to fly the P-47 against the Me-262 as it makes for a good duel.
A skilled 190 pilot is also a good match.
My experience with AI is that the 109s are harder to face than the 190s, but for some reason human piloting seems to get more out of the 190.

As for flight models http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif, i favor the P-47 late over any other bird, but on earlier maps, I might opt for the F4U-1a, instead of the P-47D10. The F4U series can be flown in similar fashion but you trade dive performance for turn performance.

Thekid321
08-19-2009, 10:16 PM
Yeah I know only against the AI. I never fly the Jug online just because I never get the chance. I prefer the early fighters like the I-16 and gladiator online. Just because theyre fun. I dont really fly the late war stuff

na85
08-19-2009, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BillSwagger:

The online arcadish enviornment often involves fighting under 2000m, so you risk having someone on your tail in seconds, and with no altitude or speed, there isn't much you can do to shake them </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

+1

The P47 is another entry in the list of planes that really suffer in an arcadish environment, but have a chance to really shine in full-real arenas.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My experience with AI is that the 109s are harder to face than the 190s, but for some reason human piloting seems to get more out of the 190. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that's because there are fewer pilots who have invested the time to truly master the 109. A lot of guys claim to be 109 aces (and are very skilled) but I've only encountered a few who can REALLY make the 109 shine. Guys like Vike or AndrewsDad.

na85
08-19-2009, 10:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thekid321:
Yeah I know only against the AI. I never fly the Jug online just because I never get the chance. I prefer the early fighters like the I-16 and gladiator online. Just because theyre fun. I dont really fly the late war stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Warclouds maps generally feature the P-47 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Many Spits/109s missions feature the P-47 as well.

megalopsuche
08-20-2009, 08:48 AM
I've always wanted a fictitious map where the ground is raised 20,000ft asl. Then try to do the same thing we do now at sea level, and see which planes dominate. I'm almost certain the P-47 would be at the top of the heap.

Anyway, the P-47 is a challenging bird to succeed in. A lot of good advice has already been said, although I would add that if you know you'll be alone, getting slow with a single bandit isn't as bad as many here make it out to be. The more you know your aircraft, the more you can take it out of its safety zone.

Oh, and just to stir the pot a little, the P-47 is more challenging to succeed in than the 190, which is kind of an easy-mode ride for experienced pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Nooble_savage
08-21-2009, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by megalopsuche:
Oh, and just to stir the pot a little, the P-47 is more challenging to succeed in than the 190, which is kind of an easy-mode ride for experienced pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you, but is that really still stirring the pot, today when red is the new black? I wish you had posted that two or three years ago. You'd have been my hero for the deathwish guts to say something (obvious) like that aloud in here.

The ultimate 'test of skill' back then was to fly a Dora, BnZ and zap players with your Death Star guns in their slow allied TnB crates that couldn't dive or even climb and only had a somewhat better turn rate going for them. Hahaha! Oh, but it apparently took a lot of skill to point your nose down, touch the trigger, and then point your nose up against enemies who couldn't catch you no matter what angle you were heading. But you couldn't tell people that the emperor had no clothes, or you'd have signed your own death warrant in here.

Oh, come to think of it, the most commonly used insult to undermine someone's perceived skill level and blame them for playing easy mode back then was to call someone a "spitnoob". I never got it though, still don't. The people who willingly flew a red '42 crate against a blue late '44 (since the community never even got the Mk XIV) were always the heroes in my eyes. I also suspect that they must have been the same ones who explored and pioneered the allied energy fighters, because far fewer flew them back then. Thank you! Never have so many...

Sorry for derailing. Just had to get it off my chest. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif