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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:36 PM
I've played quite a bit against the AI and a little online, but I'm new to the P-47. I don't seem to be able to shoot anyone down online (except on the ground http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). Is there a trick to using the P-47 guns? I've tried different settings 100, 200, 300 and none of those seem to make a difference. It seems like I have to put an awful lot of bullets into someone to even get them smoking, much less shoot them down. What's the trick? Or are the .50s just not that effective?

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:36 PM
I've played quite a bit against the AI and a little online, but I'm new to the P-47. I don't seem to be able to shoot anyone down online (except on the ground http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ). Is there a trick to using the P-47 guns? I've tried different settings 100, 200, 300 and none of those seem to make a difference. It seems like I have to put an awful lot of bullets into someone to even get them smoking, much less shoot them down. What's the trick? Or are the .50s just not that effective?

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 05:51 PM
You've tried those convergence settings. Are you then shooting at those distances?

At 100m they are very effective. Even against the Fw190. Get close, and try and hit the pilot/engine, or saw a wing off. Shooting up the tail won't get you much.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 05:56 PM
I´ve had similar experiece with its guns but since I reset the coverence to the default one (500) I get kills easier??(or my aim is improved)Though rarley any fancy "ripthewingorfuselagekills" but anyway.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:17 PM
OK. I'll try getting closer. Usually I'm flying so fast it's hard to stay at that range for long or even get behind them. I have to take a lot of deflection shots. I've found with the P-47 that I can't even think about turning with anyone. I just dive hope for a shot and pull back up again then try again.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:21 PM
StellarRat wrote:
- OK. I'll try getting closer. Usually I'm flying so
- fast it's hard to stay at that range for long or
- even get behind them. I have to take a lot of
- deflection shots. I've found with the P-47 that I
- can't even think about turning with anyone. I just
- dive hope for a shot and pull back up again then try
- again.
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thats right the way you should do it.
maybe youll just have to get used to the lag, which always makes some matter.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:35 PM
The only plane i had trouble shooting down with the P-47 is the Fw-190, The 109 lit up like a book of matches when i sprayed it. My convergence setting was 200m

"An attack against a unit of Flying Fortresses was something like controlled suicide...Sometimes 50, Sometimes 80 machine guns were firing at you... You attempted to close your eyes & continue to fire, Frightened to death, Frightened to death."

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:38 PM
Heya StellarRat...I believe we were having some good P-47 fun on FAST the other day. I've learned some tricks with the .50cals to get them to work nicely but most of it is just patience and practice.

Here's what I know.

- always try and get an angle shot on the plane
- set convergence to 400 meters but open fire around 0.32 (thats 320 meters yesno?)
- aim a bit higher on the target than the dot in the middle of the reticle
- aim specifically for the wings or engine (on single engined fighters mind you)

Practice alot offline...even setup bombers or Il-2's with novice AI and shoot them down. Once you start getting a feel for the guns it usually works very nicely in your favor. What takes getting used to is the difference especially from Russian planes which you need to have very precise aim...with the P-40 and P-47, you need to think about the area that you are spraying the bullets into.

I still think that perhaps some instances the .50 cals are a bit undermodeled...I have no idea where...but I've gotten them to be very effective as of late.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:39 PM
also u need to do 2 to 3 second bursts. I got mine at 300 and start firing there. by the time i get to 200m the 109 is falling apart then explodes. The 190 is tougher and i find i need as much as 4 runs at it.

You are doing right not to turn fight. BnZ id the jug way.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 06:54 PM
I just thought of something! Do all the guns fire when you press button 1 or only half? Do I need to change the default button setup? I may have only been using half my guns because I was only pressing button one (the trigger button.)

Buzz_25th
10-13-2003, 07:00 PM
I might be wrong, but I don't think your getting all the guns that way.

I tie all the guns to the trigger for all planes, so i'm not sure about the P-47. I like getting close, and giving short bursts. All the guns works best for this.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:05 PM
The P-47 guns are wing-snapping and hull-breaking at convergence distance. I have it set at 150m but, I suspect 100m would be better. It is just that you need to hit at convergence. Otherwise, it won't do you much good but scare the enemy. and YES you'll have to press the buttons for guns and cannons simultaneosly to fire all 8 machine guns. altough I'm surprised by the recoil effect it gives. It shouldn't be so bad with the heavy 'jug'

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:07 PM
Thanks all! Dumb me, I'm sure a lot of my problems are that I was only firing half my guns!

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 07:43 PM
I use 250 and have no problems. I fire effectively from .15 to .35 with the 250 convergance. The P-40 at 250 convergance is absolutely devestating and takes less to bring down a plane (even the 190s) then the P-47 does. But the Jug will bring them down nonetheless.
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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 10:29 PM
StellarRat wrote:
- Thanks all! Dumb me, I'm sure a lot of my problems
- are that I was only firing half my guns!
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Yep, I tie weapon 1 and 2 on the same button, then have two more buttons to fire 1 and 2 separately.

My Thunderbolt converge is around 200 give or take 10,20. Experiment also with setting a diff converge for the outside guns to bring them in even more.

My typical attack consists of lining up a shot then firing a 4 or 5 second burst raking from the engine cowl to the tail. More often than not, the victim is hurting so badly that he doesn't stay airborne for long. You don't have to blow a wing off or set him on fire every time. Scroll through the Ctrl F2 views and you'll see what I mean.

Be prepared for some frustrating nights though, as you will leave a lot of targets ripe for others to come along and steal while you try and set up the big finish.



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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 10:51 AM
After a lot of offline testing, I have been using half the guns set at a convergence of 250 meters and half at 400 meters and for some strange reason (perhaps that at 200 to 500 meters at least half are at or near convergence) I have had much better success with this. Last night I exploded a FW and tore a yak literally to shreds from their six with that setting. Some things I had never been able to do with the Jug before. The testing continues.

WYS
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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 11:04 AM
Regarding the yaw effect when firing and the tendency of the Jug to yaw left from prop wash, try this:

As I fire her up on the ground, I give my rudder trim 10 clicks right rudder. Taking off I no longer have to hold the rudder, just tweak it, and the plane only yaws back and forth slightly when firing. Hope this helps....

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 04:51 PM
OK, both sets of .50s tied to the trigger now and set for 250 and I am getting kills! Yipee!

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:04 PM
congrats http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
feel free to use your .50cals on me if we meet some day.

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 05:06 PM
How do you set half the guns to one convergence and the other half to another convergence? Thanks.

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:20 PM
One set is on the machingun button and the other 4 are on the cannon button. Make your changes to the MG and cannon and you have it!

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