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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:20 AM
I'm really sick of what I see in this forum. Constant whinning and disrespect. False claims about FB planes performance, russian bias conspiracy theories, insults. There are reasonable posts but sadly they are minority.

IMHO FB was released as somewhat unfinished software but that's reality today. Nearly no software is fully finished in its first release. And there were NO MAJOR BUGS in FB 1.0. And there is no better WWII sim.

The developer team improves FB. There are definitely things I would like to see changed in FM and DM mostly. But if your favorite plane doesn't fly according to what you expect you shoudn't take it as a personal insult from Maddox Games.

FB is damned cheap. I never bought so much fun for 30$. Even if there was no patch or addon after 1.0 it would have been a great buy. But some people on this forum act like they have paid 3000$ for FB. I wish the development team cannot speak english. Otherwise they may lose their enthusiasm to make FB better for us.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:20 AM
I'm really sick of what I see in this forum. Constant whinning and disrespect. False claims about FB planes performance, russian bias conspiracy theories, insults. There are reasonable posts but sadly they are minority.

IMHO FB was released as somewhat unfinished software but that's reality today. Nearly no software is fully finished in its first release. And there were NO MAJOR BUGS in FB 1.0. And there is no better WWII sim.

The developer team improves FB. There are definitely things I would like to see changed in FM and DM mostly. But if your favorite plane doesn't fly according to what you expect you shoudn't take it as a personal insult from Maddox Games.

FB is damned cheap. I never bought so much fun for 30$. Even if there was no patch or addon after 1.0 it would have been a great buy. But some people on this forum act like they have paid 3000$ for FB. I wish the development team cannot speak english. Otherwise they may lose their enthusiasm to make FB better for us.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:23 AM
too true

well said

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:34 AM
Funny how someone with 10 posts has such a strong opinion. Newbie!!

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:38 AM
Well that's if they even purchased their copies in the first place as well.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:41 AM
RBJ_4 wrote:
- Funny how someone with 10 posts has such a strong
- opinion. Newbie!!
-



EHHHHH!!!!:

Author: RBJ_4
Rank: Over 50 postings(!!!!)
Date: 09/23/03 09:34AM

RBJ, I didnt know we had a ranking system here, that said that people over 50 postings can say whatever they want, and those with around 10 should shut up?

The guy is right.

No harm in arguing and having different opinions, it's the namecallings, the abusing that make this forum a but harsh.

Lazy! Good post.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:43 AM
Maybe he spends more time flying and less time yakking on these messageboards /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:46 AM
I agree w/ you Lazy_312, but whining about whining is almost as prevalent, (and almost as annoying) as the whining itself.

I'm glad you enjoy the game so much; and I too, wish that these boards had a more constructive attitude. However Lazy_312, if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 08:48 AM
Lazy_312 wrote:

And there is no better WWII
- sim.
-
- But if your favorite plane doesn't fly
- according to what you expect you shoudn't take it as
- a personal insult from Maddox Games.

Were you never taught not to start a sentance with 'And or But'?


I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:09 AM
English is not my native language. If you want to teach me more english lessons feel free to contact me on kamilvr@volny.cz. I think it's OT here.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:17 AM
ELEM wrote:

- Were you never taught not to start a sentance with
- 'And or But'?

But there is nothing wrong with that! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

/slush
(BTW: It's sentence, not sentance)

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 09:17 AM
Would that make you a syntaxwhiner? Some of my sentences are undermodelled. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


ELEM wrote:
-
- Lazy_312 wrote:
-
- And there is no better WWII
-
-- sim.
--
-- But if your favorite plane doesn't fly
-- according to what you expect you shoudn't take it as
-- a personal insult from Maddox Games.
-
- Were you never taught not to start a sentance with
- 'And or But'?
-
-
-
- I'd never join a club that would have ME as a
- member!!.



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fluke39
09-23-2003, 10:21 AM
F19_Orheim wrote:
-
- RBJ_4 wrote:
-- Funny how someone with 10 posts has such a strong
-- opinion. Newbie!!
--
-
-
-
- EHHHHH!!!!:
-
- Author: RBJ_4
- Rank: Over 50 postings(!!!!)
- Date: 09/23/03 09:34AM
-
- RBJ, I didnt know we had a ranking system here, that
- said that people over 50 postings can say whatever
- they want, and those with around 10 should shut up?
-
-
-
- The guy is right.
-
- No harm in arguing and having different opinions,
- it's the namecallings, the abusing that make this
- forum a but harsh.
-
- Lazy! Good post.
-
-
- Cheers mates, and remember: be civil to eachother
-
-

HEY there's no rule saying those with 100 postings can gainsay what those with 50 posts say about those with 10 posts - and if there is, then surely those with a 1000 posts must be able to gainsay what those with 50 posts say about those with 10 posts /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


anyway yes you're right Orheim -

50 post is not that far from 10 posts - and no amount of postcount makes any difference to how much someone knows about the game or how well they can fly...(only in some peoples minds/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 10:24 AM
Lazy_312 wrote:
- English is not my native language. If you want to
- teach me more english lessons feel free to contact
- me on kamilvr@volny.cz. I think it's OT here.
-
- 312_Lazy
- 312. (Czechoslovak) Sq. RAF
- http://312.jinak.cz
-

Sorry. This only applies if English is your first language. I thought you were.

Your English is very good in that case!

I'd never join a club that would have ME as a member!!.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 10:39 AM
What Id like to know, is why is it that if someone is disatisfyed with the sim as it stands & voices his opinion he is attacked by the people who are not disatifyed with the Arcade Game...

Im sure the original poster flys the la7 & hasent tested every ac in the sim


I have Ive flown all of them every single one with aptitude & there is Bias its not a theory its a fact.

Russian AC
Muzzel velocity= Kicks arse.
Rate of Fire= Kicks arse.
Resistance to damage= absorbs bullits like a sponge.
climb like hell.
overheat rarely cool off very fast.
never ever fryed a vvs engine by overheating it.


German AC
Muzzel Velocity= Junk
Rate of Fire= Junk
Resistance to damage= None!!! dies if Yak looks @ it
climb= very good
overheat= all the time constant strugle to keep it cool
fryed many LW engine because it overheat model is overdone.


and I can feal the hate coming already.. someone will say well you dont know how to fly German ac, fly vvs, learn to fly...

well Ill rebuff that here & now I know how to fly all of the ac in the sim & fly them very will untill this 1.11 patch where Lw has been castrated & vvs is on steroids..

Get realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllll




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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 10:39 AM
Your English is great and so is your opinion. Its a great game and great value for money.

Petter

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 10:39 AM
Slush69 wrote:
-
- ELEM wrote:
-
-- Were you never taught not to start a sentance with
-- 'And or But'?
-
- But there is nothing wrong with that! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- /slush
- (BTW: It's sentence, not sentance)

Indeed so Slush. Whilst they did indeed teach that years ago - apparently - it is now acceptable when it makes sense to do so.

And someone with one post has as valid an opinion as someone with 'over 3000.' In fact, probably more valid /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 10:54 AM
Don't take my posts too seriously. I'm bored at work and I'm just being facetious./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I also agree with lazy 312 completely.


Message Edited on 09/23/0311:21AM by ELEM

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 11:10 AM
Lazy_312 good points, well said.

And post count means very little. I`ve seen jerks with thousands post count and excellent written English come out with vitriol and first posters writing bad English with BRILLIANT comments.

It`s just posters with high counts don`t want to get themselves banned for being stupid and start from zero, so you tend to get less trouble from them, wheras those who want to start a flame war or insult members of society will never last longer than noob to 50 because they`re ready to run or get banned so fast. So noob posts tend to be treated with a little more suspicioun...

So RBJ_4 should keep quiet because Lazy_312`s post is reasonable and fine. (Also, RBJ_4, Is 50 posts that much better than 10? NO.)

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:06 PM
Lazy_312 wrote:
- I'm really sick of what I see in this forum.
- Constant whinning and disrespect. False claims about
- FB planes performance, russian bias conspiracy
- theories, insults.

So don't read it. Go play football or FB!! Have sex! Get drunk! Go shopping! Work! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

- IMHO FB was released as somewhat unfinished software
- but that's reality today. Nearly no software is
- fully finished in its first release. And there were
- NO MAJOR BUGS in FB 1.0. And there is no better WWII
- sim.

Agreed.

- The developer team improves FB. There are definitely
- things I would like to see changed in FM and DM
- mostly. But if your favorite plane doesn't fly
- according to what you expect you shoudn't take it as
- a personal insult from Maddox Games.

Agreed.

- FB is damned cheap. I never bought so much fun for
- 30$. Even if there was no patch or addon after 1.0
- it would have been a great buy. But some people on
- this forum act like they have paid 3000$ for FB.

Agreed.

However - in my modest opinion - beside the due respect shown to UBISoft team, your post sounds like anti-whiner-whining. Thus, it has the same value of whining /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

FB whiners are overmeodelled! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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Message Edited on 09/23/0302:35PM by Cippacometa

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:17 PM
Locust_161st wrote:
- What Id like to know, is why is it that if someone
- is disatisfyed with the sim as it stands & voices
- his opinion he is attacked by the people who are not
- disatifyed with the Arcade Game...



Locust, I have no problem at all with people standing up and saying what they think of the game. On the contrary, this is indeed imperetive for this game to improve, and as long as Maddox Games comes up with patches, add-ons and so forth, we all who have a voice are important, those with <u>constructive</u> criticism more than the "yeah-sayers".

What I object against is the <u>way</u> that some of the guys in here express themselves: namecallings, rude comments, personal attacks and so forth. This is not a constructive way to communicate, but rather spoils one of the reason that there is a forum here at all: to make this a better game. I know many guys who no longer visit this place because of the "harsh" atmosphere, and that's a shame.

I myself, I try to stick around because there are still wisdom, logics and fun in here (but soon you have to really look hard), and I also want to help clean this place up by holding a relative calm stance.

Cheers mates, and remember: A message with a smile rather than a bark is better received, even though opions are different.


Thats all

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:25 PM
I feel the same way guy. As for the amount of post a person has. I say lol been here from day one .

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:29 PM
If we didn't have differences of opinion, the only thing on this board would be a devotion to Oleg. I imagine that would get pretty boring after the umpteenth post declaring a blind devotion to the game and to the Russian.
Unfortunatly, someone who points out errors in the game is immediatly dubbed a "Whiner" and usually subjected to abuse with varying degrees of viciousness. Maybe we should have Two boards. One for critics and one for the Oleg worshippers. Don't think either board would be too interesting.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:32 PM
Once again, be careful about making fun of someone whose English is imperfect. There's a good chance they speak at least one more language than you do.

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 02:39 PM
prozac70 wrote:
. Maybe we should have Two boards. One
- for critics and one for the Oleg worshippers. Don't
- think either board would be too interesting.
-


Nah, some friction is good and I agree., different opinions are really useful. I just wish that we could dicuss in a more "reasonable tone".

Whiners in my opionion are <u>not</u> we who back up our statements with facts, WE important, but those who just explodes in statements like "this game sux, Oleg is a whimp" etc. We could do without those statements.

Cheers.. and remember..this is all for fun


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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:34 PM
I fully agree with you, Lazy_312. I've had similar feelings through the last several weeks, too.

I believe that Il2/FB is the best flight simulation game we can currently get. It may not be 100% perfect, but it definitely isn't that poor to deserve the offenses that often appear in these forums.

Il2/FB "fun for money" ratio is extemely high. In fact, the game may be even too cheap :-)) After starting to play it I have invested more than ten times as much money as it costs into game controllers just to get most of the game. I would pay much more for so much fun and it would still be worth it.

Concerning the "whinners" - there is an easy proof that most of their FM requirements are quite irrelevant. Just do some statistics what they want and try to find a pattern there. There is none. They do not have acommon topics or requests, (almost) each of them wants different things. Moreover, their requirements are often mutually incompatible. Most of the whinings therefore simply cannot be justified.

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XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 04:57 PM
Give me a week and about a few hours a day, and with some real short response to a lot of threads, my post count will be up there to. Like this one! Thanks! lol

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 06:04 PM
ELEM wrote:
-Were you never taught not to start a sentance with 'And or
-But'?


ELEM also wrote:
-
- Sorry. This only applies if English is your first
- language. I thought you were.
-



"She would not cry many tears at leaving the Stores.
But in her new home, in a distant unknown country, it would not be like that"

Evelin, from Dubliners
James Joyce


Now let me state that English is not my first language. But sure it was Joyce's first language (you may have heard of James Joyce). The rules you mention apply for children that are learning. Even if you were right, it's essential manners not to correct people when you are not asked to.

And I am sick and tired of all the agressivity that I find in this forum.


Kuikueg

XyZspineZyX
09-23-2003, 06:18 PM
F19_Orheim wrote:
- Locust_161st wrote:
-- What Id like to know, is why is it that if someone
-- is disatisfyed with the sim as it stands & voices
-- his opinion he is attacked by the people who are not
-- disatifyed with the Arcade Game...
-
-
-
- Locust, I have no problem at all with people
- standing up and saying what they think of the game.
- On the contrary, this is indeed imperetive for this
- game to improve, and as long as Maddox Games comes
- up with patches, add-ons and so forth, we all who
- have a voice are important, those with
- <u>constructive</u> criticism more than the
- "yeah-sayers".
-
- What I object against is the <u>way</u> that some of
- the guys in here express themselves: namecallings,
- rude comments, personal attacks and so forth. This
- is not a constructive way to communicate, but rather
- spoils one of the reason that there is a forum here
- at all: to make this a better game. I know many guys
- who no longer visit this place because of the
- "harsh" atmosphere, and that's a shame.
- Thats all


Agreed.


-
- PS. sorry for my grammatica, I am the Swedish chef
- of the Muppet Show.

your english is fine.


Well I try to keep my rantings at a moderate to calm level but I start geting adjatated when soneone comes into the post & starts flaming away I should Ignore them but latley Ive been flaming back @ them wich is a bad exzample...

Also People get very frustrated by this game @ 1 time its like this now its like that & then a good patch is here (1.1b) & it gets changed to this 1.11 patch wich in my opinion is very unbalanced the germans are getting the shtick in the mud /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


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