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brazthron
01-12-2006, 03:12 PM
Hi everyone

Im fairly new to this sim and i was wondering if anyone could give me a few tips on flying the spitfire/seafire

brazthron
01-12-2006, 03:12 PM
Hi everyone

Im fairly new to this sim and i was wondering if anyone could give me a few tips on flying the spitfire/seafire

Waldo.Pepper
01-12-2006, 03:27 PM
I think the Spitfire/Seafire is one of the easiest planes in the game to fly.

So this tip applies to all... do everything you can reasonably do to avoid slowing down in combat.

Low_Flyer_MkII
01-12-2006, 03:39 PM
The Spits are a pleasure to fly - quite right too! The only problem I have is that their ammo soon runs out. Get in close, get out fast and conserve your precious ammo - short bursts when you're sure you can't miss. Keep checking your six as our American chums say, and keep telling your wingman - if you have one (I recommend it) to cover you. Good practice is to set up a mission in FMB with yourself as wingman to an ace pilot - try to follow him and see what he does when the enemy are about.

robban75
01-12-2006, 03:40 PM
Hi and welcome! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The Spitfire is a very manouverable fighter. It's not very fast at low altitude, especially the earlier MkV. But as altitude increases its speed will compare more favorably to other fighters. It has a good rate of climb at all altitudes, and its acceleration is quite good, especially in the initial part of a dive. As speed increases the ailerons will become rather heavy, but it still has plenty of elevator authority. The light elevators can be to your advantage should you fight against a Bf 109, but perhaps not against the Fw 190.

In a high speed fight the Spitfire can be somewhat at a disadvantage, at least when compared to the Fw 190, P-47 and P-51. But at slow speeds it is probably one of the most manouverable fighters in the game.

Good luck! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

danjama
01-12-2006, 03:53 PM
See sig http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

p1ngu666
01-12-2006, 05:59 PM
id say depends what your flying against..

general tips, fly flat out as much as u can, and try to fire only 1 set of guns at a time (303's shake the plane alot)

dont get too slow due to the wobble, and the uber slats fitted to 109s and russian la series aircraft.

know how your spit matches up to your opponent, for example 190s will nearly always be faster, so dont carry on a chase if hes pulling away, also czech 6 as another 190 can creap up on u

190s are worse in a climb, and at higher altitudes so try to climb.

vs 109s, they are like a spit and have very easy handling, u will see them produce vapour trails for along time in a turn.

in terms of IX and VIII, g2 will be a pain, g6/g6late u outperform slightly in all areas, but are hard to kill

alcholic 109s, like g6as and k4 (ones u see most often) are faster and climb better, so best to turn/dogfight them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Brain32
01-12-2006, 06:09 PM
Raise your gear, check six.
ME109's are NOT dangerous(maybe G2 and G6AS), respect the FW190, if in doubt - turn...

p1ngu666
01-12-2006, 06:15 PM
anything that exists is dangerous http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

for example, that pen on your desk is "safe" until someone stabs u in the eye with it and kills u, then its rather deadly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Viper2005_
01-12-2006, 06:18 PM
Learn to fly the Fw-190. Then apply what you learn to flying the Spitfire; your strike rate will fall but you'll live a lot longer.

Brain32
01-12-2006, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> anything that exists is dangerous http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
for example, that pen on your desk is "safe" until someone stabs u in the eye with it and kills u, then its rather deadly http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Learn to fly the Fw-190. Then apply what you learn to flying the Spitfire; your strike rate will fall but you'll live a lot longer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is very true, after FW190, Spit feels like a dream come true, but watch it not to become overconfident(happened to me last time in a Spit).

p1ngu666
01-12-2006, 06:27 PM
yeah, flying 190 teaches u to fly to strengths, i do feel 190 is a much better plane currently

Brain32
01-12-2006, 06:42 PM
I think they are pretty even, not many people fly the Spit to full potential, but those that do are very scary. But then again I don't fly the FW190 to full potential...

SlickStick
01-12-2006, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Learn to fly the Fw-190. Then apply what you learn to flying the Spitfire; your strike rate will fall but you'll live a lot longer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a very profound statement applied to the current pair we have in-game and good advice. I love starting at 3000-5000m in a Mk. VIII CW and getting above some FWs or 109s for a little table-turning action.

You can even take extra chances in the Spitfire, because the slower it gets, the more elevator the Spit's gonna have. So, in a 1 vs 1 or 2, I'll always trade a little top speed for the more maneuvering plane. Especially, a Mk. VIII that gets that much faster, the higher I go. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Good summation in your first post there, p1ngu666. I hope you don't ever join my server p1nging 666. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

brazthron
01-12-2006, 07:09 PM
wow! thanks for all the info. I'll try to keep all this in mind next time i go online.

carguy_
01-12-2006, 07:10 PM
You need to learn some accuracy.That`s all folks!

p1ngu666
01-12-2006, 07:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
You need to learn some accuracy.That`s all folks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah, spits are hard gunnery platforms.

i suggest setting up a quick mission with fw200's, ju88's then some fighter sized targets, work your from fw200s, to ju88's, to fighters.

dont practise too much, cos u may lose your touch.

fire very short bursts also. someone who will remain nameless said "12 seconds worth, thats only three 4 second bursts!"

which ilistrates where he was going wrong. ive shot down 5 aircraft in a vb, but that was a exception and lucky

Xiolablu3
01-12-2006, 09:57 PM
Try and lure your opponent into a turnfight.

If you are dived on then split S, if your opponent follows you , then he will probably black out or at the very least loose a lot of speed.

Friendly_flyer
01-12-2006, 11:27 PM
A small tip:

The guns in the Spitfire are quit far apart. This means that convergence is an important issue. Fin the convergence that works best for you and learn to judge distance.

Hetzer_II
01-13-2006, 12:13 AM
And if you have someone on youre six... just do the magical- infinitive- Looploooplooplloppllooopppllloooooooppp

alert_1
01-13-2006, 01:42 AM
Dont mess with Fw190 and just kill the rest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

F19_Ob
01-13-2006, 03:45 AM
perhaps not so much instruction but som info about how it compares to 109's

Olli and I tested early spits vs 109 E, F and G2 quite thoroughly, and being about equally skilled we came to the conclusion that the spit won in most situations with about equal speed.
We switched planes but none of us had a chance against the spit flying 109 E or F.
The G2 was closest in performance to early spits.

The important thing in the spit is to be careful in slow speeds where it becomes very flippy and it also takes some time to gain energy.
In some situations one must use the landing flap setting.

If u flip often in the spit u might have too sensitive sticksettings and U might want to glance at this:
http://f19vs.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=474

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OldMan____
01-13-2006, 08:07 AM
Just by all gods, don´t go head on against a FW190! I am tired of being Head oen chalanged by a Spit than when he is burinign to ground a lot of complains of " how could him?" " he must be a cheater" "I have two 20 mm.. I should have killed you first" and so on... Just ACCEPT that head on against FW190 is one of the stupidiest ideas in this game.

p1ngu666
01-13-2006, 11:32 AM
id say dont do a headon for another reason, fw190 is very good gunnery platform, spit one of the worst..

spits seems like one of the most inconsistant planes, sometimes its great for me, other times a horror.

like last night i flew against crash in a coop, up real high, 8.5k then down to 1000metres or so, he was in g6late, me spit hf. i was thinking i was in the box seats, but crash could pull so stuff i couldnt live with, kept tip stalling http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

i was quickly back on him, but was rather annoying, crash said he was using flaps and i guess prop pitch.

spit is better, but not as "rounded" and forgiveable, a g6/g6late can take a **** long time to shoot down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

danjama
01-13-2006, 01:34 PM
Yeah i am really terrible with the Hispanos, im only just gettin better with em as i use the spit more...

Xiolablu3
01-13-2006, 01:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
perhaps not so much instruction but som info about how it compares to 109's

Olli and I tested early spits vs 109 E, F and G2 quite thoroughly, and being about equally skilled we came to the conclusion that the spit won in most situations with about equal speed.
We switched planes but none of us had a chance against the spit flying 109 E or F.
The G2 was closest in performance to early spits.

The important thing in the spit is to be careful in slow speeds where it becomes very flippy and it also takes some time to gain energy.
In some situations one must use the landing flap setting.

If u flip often in the spit u might have too sensitive sticksettings and U might want to glance at this:
http://f19vs.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=474

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a real historical setting the 109F4 is a little better than a Spitfire mk5b.

Check UKded1 server stats Me109F4 has a 1.1:0.9 K/D over Spitfire 5.

Maybe in a turn fighting QMB dogfight the Spit has the advantage, but then again it should do. But in a mission based historical setting, the 109F is the better plane.

If you are willing to be wise and disengage (which the 109F can do at will) then the 109 should win. I suspect you guys were in a 'fight to the death' in which the spit will probably win as it will come down to a slow turn fight 90% of the time.

danjama
01-13-2006, 01:54 PM
In RL the Spitfire MkVb kicked the BF109F4 all about the skies

Xiolablu3
01-13-2006, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
In RL the Spitfire MkVb kicked the BF109F4 all about the skies </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you sure? I thought it was pretty even, with the 109F being slightly superior.

danjama
01-13-2006, 02:09 PM
well, its IMO of course.

How about we get some specs and pilot accounts on them in here?

But think of it like this, the SpitVb was still in frontline service in 1944, albeit outgunned etc etc by the Lufty planes of the era.

I think the SpitMkVb was alot faster than the 109F4 and also had better armament.

Of course the armament issue is debatable.

p1ngu666
01-13-2006, 02:10 PM
depends who your reading xio, kurfy will say the 109f is much better (obivously)

irl pilots thought there spitfires where better or atleast roughly equal.

hurri pilots on malta did fairly well against F's too.

Viper2005_
01-13-2006, 02:41 PM
Something that is always forgotten with the Aircraft X vs Aircraft Y debate is that you get good aeroplanes and bad aeroplanes.

Considerable variation can exist between individual airframes and engines even as they come off the production line.

After a few weeks in service, considerable performance reductions can be brought about by degradations in finish and other forms of wear and tear.

Differences in maintainance (especially surface finish) can have a large impact upon performance as can be seen here:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/rae1501.html

As such it is entirely possible for Aircraft X to be superior to Aircraft Y in performance one day and for Aircraft Y to be superior to Aircraft X the next. It's amazing what even a simple coat of paint can do...

F19_Ob
01-13-2006, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Maybe in a turn fighting QMB dogfight the Spit has the advantage, but then again it should do. But in a mission based historical setting, the 109F is the better plane.

If you are willing to be wise and disengage (which the 109F can do at will) then the 109 should win. I suspect you guys were in a 'fight to the death' in which the spit will probably win as it will come down to a slow turn fight 90% of the time. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Yes we fought in a 1 vs 1 situation with some turnfighting involved.
Olli and I flew the 109's exclusively for a few years so we are fairly familiar with it and energy fighting.
In the sim only the G2 (not E or F) had energy and accelleration enough to extend, or do anything energy related, to an equal degree.

We are also good marksmen and usually hit on longer distances frequently.
This last part makes it very hard for any plane to extend or use the energy right because the risk of getting hit is very big.
As soon as one is hit one loses about 35-40 kph and that is too much to be able to do anything really.

It's a totally different matter in a furball or in team fighting, where the 109 gets more opportunities to fire since they can attatch to an enemy that chases a friendly.
Later 109's benefits greatly with the mk108 cannon wich makes up for lesser maneuverability somewhat.

High altitude really doesn't benefit the 109 and the spit is faster generally.
Even in late 1940-41 the 109 piolots feared the trips to england because the spits were there waiting above since they could climb higher.
The spits usually came down in a group targeting the ones that was a bit outside the others for whatever reason.

So one vs one situations are bad for the 109 and it instead is better off with bouncing tactics on unsuspecting spits.
The 109 also turns well enough to be able to shoot down spits in some situations where they entered the fight with an advantage in angle or something else.

On equal terms though the spit has the advantage. It's really the cannons that makes the spit so deadly because with mg's only it can take much longer to kill. Cannons more frequently can cut a wing or a fuselage instantly.

Well this is our findings and what we contemplate when we must fight spits in 109's.
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Xiolablu3
01-13-2006, 08:07 PM
Thanks for your reply Ob.

WHat server do you play on? You should come and fly/have a laugh with us on Ukded 1 or 2 sometime, and show us some of your 109 skills. We could do a 109/FW190 combo of 3 or 4 of us and see if we can stop the allied bombing effort in Desert '43 or Objective Swheinfurt..

When the server was empty the other day 3 of us were trying to tip flying bombs on the Ardennes map http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif We didnt manage it tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Easy to get close to, so hard to get a wing under and tip them succesfully http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CaptAce
01-14-2006, 04:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
perhaps not so much instruction but som info about how it compares to 109's

Olli and I tested early spits vs 109 E, F and G2 quite thoroughly, and being about equally skilled we came to the conclusion that the spit won in most situations with about equal speed.
We switched planes but none of us had a chance against the spit flying 109 E or F.
The G2 was closest in performance to early spits.

The important thing in the spit is to be careful in slow speeds where it becomes very flippy and it also takes some time to gain energy.
In some situations one must use the landing flap setting.

If u flip often in the spit u might have too sensitive sticksettings and U might want to glance at this:
http://f19vs.se/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=474

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was about to return the x52 I just bought and then I stumbled on this thread. Those settings work great! Thanks!

Lucius_Esox
01-14-2006, 06:05 AM
One thing I can definately say is if you consider the Spitfire a noob plane, and you fly it online believing you are superior, you will die often..

It's slow and isn't a particularly good gun platform. Go on that premise and then find it's strengths.

F19_Ob
01-14-2006, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Thanks for your reply Ob.

WHat server do you play on? You should come and fly/have a laugh with us on Ukded 1 or 2 sometime, and show us some of your 109 skills. We could do a 109/FW190 combo of 3 or 4 of us and see if we can stop the allied bombing effort in Desert '43 or Objective Swheinfurt..
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the invitation. I'll check it out.

These days I, and many of my F19 mates often fly on Chechs and russian servers.
We usually fly through ASE (allseeing eye) so therfore we won't show up in the hyperlobby list.

This is what I have in my favorites now:
* il2.corbina.ru
* il2.cubannet.ru
* Pseudohistorical 1939-1945
* WT_Dedicated
And
* GreaterGreen
* Zeke_vs_wildcat

For us Europeans Russian and Checs servers have reasonable pings and some have more early maps.
They often are full aswell.

Olli and I used to enjoy late warmaps, but now many of us F19 guys prefer early maps and reluctantly fly later than 1942. (happens though)

We often hop from server to server in search for early maps.
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F19_Ob
01-14-2006, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CaptAce:

I was about to return the x52 I just bought and then I stumbled on this thread. Those settings work great! Thanks! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
It may take a while o get used to the slower settings but I gradually adapted.

I fly so many planes and they all are different. I have found this setting a middle way, although in some planes it still feels a bit too sensitive in some situations.
The fact that the rudder and elevator have a bit lesser range has so far not been a disadvantage for me in fighting.
I however must use brakes to turn well on the ground but that only feels more relistic.

cheers

jds1978
01-14-2006, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Lucius_Esox
Member since 12-21-2001
Posted Sat January 14 2006 05:05
One thing I can definately say is if you consider the Spitfire a noob plane, and you fly it online believing you are superior, you will die often..

It's slow and isn't a particularly good gun platform. Go on that premise and then find it's strengths. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

excellent advice....

Q: whats the best way to trim the Spit (besides "make it fly straight"...i can do that after enough trial and error...)

I just joined a squad that flies Spits often and am a little ignorant of the plane (i spent way to much time in P40's and F4U's ) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

anyways, keep those flying tips coming...i'm eating 'em up! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

pourshot
01-14-2006, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
One thing I can definately say is if you consider the Spitfire a noob plane, and you fly it online believing you are superior, you will die often..

It's slow and isn't a particularly good gun platform. Go on that premise and then find it's strengths. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100% mate; the spit is not so uber as the blue flyers would have you believe. It can€t run away when you€re out numbered it€s much too slow for that it climbs about as well as most 109€s and worse than some and it cant out dive any German plane. It cant be properly trimmed as any small change in speed or power setting will have it rolling and skating around the sky German planes are very forgiving in this regard.

And as for it€s high speed handling it€s very average sure you can pull a hard turn without elevator trim but what€s the point if all you get is blacked out, also just try and do B&Z in a spit it€s very hard the plane shakes like crazy once you get over 680kph and over 750kph forget aiming you need to worry about the wings falling off. And remember once the speed builds in the dive you need to keep one eye on the enemy and one on the slip indicator because the spit loves to yaw at speed. (Sometimes I trim my rudder for max speed by making a dive before I get to the target area because it€s too hard to do in the heat of a bounce)

The spit does it€s best work imho at mid range speeds around 320-500kph but then again so do the German planes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But still I would rather fly a crappy spit than any other its just sooooo sexy.

pourshot
01-14-2006, 03:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jds1978:

Q: whats the best way to trim the Spit (besides "make it fly straight"...i can do that after enough trial and error...)
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Trim the rudder for combat speeds not cruise and the elevator so you have to gently push the stick forward, you will find it helps your aim.

jds1978
01-14-2006, 05:13 PM
pourshot
Posted Sat January 14 2006 14:12
quote:
Originally posted by jds1978:

Q: whats the best way to trim the Spit (besides "make it fly straight"...i can do that after enough trial and error...)



Trim the rudder for combat speeds not cruise and the elevator so you have to gently push the stick forward, you will find it helps your aim


thanks for the advice, Pourshot!

fordfan25
01-14-2006, 11:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by brazthron:
Hi everyone

Im fairly new to this sim and i was wondering if anyone could give me a few tips on flying the spitfire/seafire </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


only tip i can give you is ignore the guy yelling N00B plane at you. that would just be me. i do get pi$$ed when my p-47 gets out dove by a spit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Vipez-
01-15-2006, 08:29 AM
Hmm as usual p1ngu666's love for the Spitfire seems to make him imagine things such Spitfire beeing such a bad plane due to wobbling.. Spitfire is certainly not the only plane, which has the wobbling issue. This is not a problem if you fly it like you should : with speed and energy advantage, b&Z:ing. Then you won't notice the wobbling. Spitfire is perhaps the best plane at high altitudes, it's joy to handle, and very nimble, even when flying +7000 m. And it has excelent elevator authority. Most get overconfident in Spitfires, and that is what costs their life, they get slow when turning at low alts, and become easy targets for FW190s..so don't get too cocky, have the patience to start the fights with energy advantage, and you will do just fine. Patiency is the key.. Yes, even in the Spitfire. Going low&slow is allways stupid..

Vipez-
01-15-2006, 08:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:


I think the SpitMkVb was alot faster than the 109F4 and also had better armament.

Of course the armament issue is debatable. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A lot faster? I doubt it..

Spit Vb and BF-109F2 reached the frontline about same time, and were considered excellent matches for each other. Spit V had the advantage lower wing loading and excellent low speed handling and turning ability, while Bf109F2 was slightly faster on deck, and climbed better, and had slightly better in diving. BF109F4 brought more effective 20mm cannon, and bigger engine (beeing faster than SpitVb on all altitudes I believe, don't know about possible special Spit Vs optimized for high altitudes, though), while it did not have any negative impact on it's turning ability, so I do consider 109F-4 beeing slightly superior plane over Spit Vb (unless you appreciate better low speed handling more over speed, personally I don't), after all speed is what keeps you alive.. Spit Vb had two Hispano MK. IIs in the wings, but only with 60rpg, while F4 had 200 rounds for MG151/20, and advantage having the cannon in probeller hub (easier aiming).. this is probably why BF109F4s did so well in North africa .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Then again when in april 1941 109F4 reached front line (if i remember correctly?), there were not that many of them, and operation Barbarossa reserved lot of new 109Fs to the east.

p1ngu666
01-15-2006, 11:05 AM
vipez, yeah wobblin effects alot of planes, but its something ive never read about in spits, in very few aircraft infact, even then im suspecting those with poor stability would wonder/float about on there own..

i do bnz in spits, ask danjama http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

a g6late at high alt can pull stuff thatll make a hf spit stall out, even when the g6late has a hole in the wing.. which is rather dubious..

performance maybe a smidge too bad on the IX/VIII, but not much, a smidge http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

V are just http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif, same with seafires.

F4's aprently went round with 175 rounds for the cannon or something, cos the full 200 could course the cannon to jam (probably too much weight to pull into cannon)

u shouldnt get slow, simply because the lw planes are more forgiving at low speed (especialy 109)

HellToupee
01-15-2006, 04:36 PM
The spit lfs should be faster at lower alts than even g models, the C wing Vcs had 120 rounds per gun. The planes manoverabilty was higher at low and high speeds where 109s controls became too stiff.

karost
01-15-2006, 08:43 PM
for my understanding ,The spit was design for dogfight turning combat pattern. and FW190 was design for warbird killer with 4 cannon by energy tactic

but 80% of success score come from pilot's tactic,experience and advatage situation.

mainly I'am a 109 guy but now I have to stay in FW190A9 coz of spit... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

a good spit's pilot will not fly along...

HellToupee
01-15-2006, 09:18 PM
the spitfire wasnt designed from the start to be a super good turner, it wouldnt out turn a gladiator. It was an interceptor, supposed to be fast climb well it just happened to turn better than what it faced.

BfHeFwMe
01-15-2006, 09:34 PM
Spit is a excellent turner in game and can smoke both 109's and 190's in one on one, both manned. Learn how to manage your prop and power when you need to pour on the G. Power off nothing floats as stable as a Spit, so back the power off a few notches under manouvering G. You've got the 109's spanked and wanked right there.

For Fw's in high speed turn fights, be careful, if Fritz starts to gain an upper hand, shove stick forward and snap roll, dish it out and try comming back into him. This drives those vonnderboyz insane when they lose you under the sight bar. Or barrel roll and when you see them wobbling that's ole Han's looking for you in his canopy frame. Slip in preferably under the belly and behind giving him some sweet Hispanios. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif