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RogueSnake79
09-18-2005, 09:34 PM
I guess this is the first thread started about this subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So here I go.

I understand why Oleg & team have'nt alowed us to change the defualt skins ourselves. But we still need them changed.

Their are tons of good replacement blanks out there for all of the AC, hell, Vpmedia has about the whole game covered.

Why can't we get a patch that updates these skins? Vp, Cannon, Hammered, Serval, have all made awsome skins, with great blanks included. All you have to do is put them in a patch.

I mean come on. Becuse it would take to much time picking the skins, and making a list?

We could do that, could'nt we?

And why the hell does every thread on this subject just die? Is everyone content to live with the defualt ones forever?

My reasons for wanting them replaced?
1. I'm a 56ker, so when I fly online, I fly with skin dl off.
2. I fly Dgen campaigns alot. I realize I could make my own campaign, and add the skins I like. But thats like reading a book backward.

RogueSnake79
09-18-2005, 09:34 PM
I guess this is the first thread started about this subject http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So here I go.

I understand why Oleg & team have'nt alowed us to change the defualt skins ourselves. But we still need them changed.

Their are tons of good replacement blanks out there for all of the AC, hell, Vpmedia has about the whole game covered.

Why can't we get a patch that updates these skins? Vp, Cannon, Hammered, Serval, have all made awsome skins, with great blanks included. All you have to do is put them in a patch.

I mean come on. Becuse it would take to much time picking the skins, and making a list?

We could do that, could'nt we?

And why the hell does every thread on this subject just die? Is everyone content to live with the defualt ones forever?

My reasons for wanting them replaced?
1. I'm a 56ker, so when I fly online, I fly with skin dl off.
2. I fly Dgen campaigns alot. I realize I could make my own campaign, and add the skins I like. But thats like reading a book backward.

ElAurens
09-18-2005, 09:47 PM
Many of the origianl aircraft from IL2 have horrible default skins. The Yak 9U comes to mind. Some of the Bf109s and A6M aircraft as well. Better defaults would be a big plus for the series.

BaldieJr
09-18-2005, 09:55 PM
If you can change the default then you'll paint enemies day-glo yellow and play online. Then you'll get a great screenshot some day and show it to a friend and he'll look at it and notice how you cheat. They he'll do it and tell 4 friends who will also do it and tell 4 of thier friends.

Then a certain squad will get madder than hell because everyone is using thier favorite trick and the forums will be one big argument for months.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

RogueSnake79
09-18-2005, 11:04 PM
lol @ some of the ppl who post here.

Thats why I'm asking them to change it, in the coded part of the game... Nucklehead!

Monson74
09-19-2005, 02:37 AM
Yup - & some desert defaults would be kewl - all hard-coded of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

RogueSnake79
09-19-2005, 05:17 AM
Bump I said!

ElAurens
09-19-2005, 05:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
If you can change the default then you'll paint enemies day-glo yellow and play online. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rumor has it that this can already be achieved by manipulating graphics card settings. Apparently some squads in online wars use it to turn all aircraft bright yellow. So if you are constaly being picked out, now you know why.

anarchy52
09-19-2005, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
If you can change the default then you'll paint enemies day-glo yellow and play online. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rumor has it that this can already be achieved by manipulating graphics card settings. Apparently some squads in online wars use it to turn all aircraft bright yellow. So if you are constaly being picked out, now you know why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had planes turn bright magenta not yellow...but not all of them

Willey
09-19-2005, 06:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
If you can change the default then you'll paint enemies day-glo yellow and play online. Then you'll get a great screenshot some day and show it to a friend and he'll look at it and notice how you cheat. They he'll do it and tell 4 friends who will also do it and tell 4 of thier friends.

Then a certain squad will get madder than hell because everyone is using thier favorite trick and the forums will be one big argument for months.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We had this already in Il-2 times. Because of that, the default Skins were moven into those SFS files, and you can't override them anymore.

Now that's what Maddox has to do. Maybe the community could do this also. We/They need to select a skin for default skin for each plane - and then just put it into that SFS replacing the old one. New defaults for all, but no manipulating. And keep it optional.

snafu73
09-19-2005, 08:26 AM
I seem to remember a strong rumour that there were some skinners being rounded up to do something about some of the default skins in one of the patches.

But I might be completely wrong so dont quote me on this!

No doubt the official secrets act has been signed so who knows?

jurinko
09-19-2005, 08:56 AM
Slovak Bf 109s, even having above average quality default skins (well I did some of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), will be re-skinned with more advanced skins. The skins were for d/l at il2skins.com few months ago. We hope they will be incorporated in some patch.

Bearcat99
09-19-2005, 02:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BaldieJr:
If you can change the default then you'll paint enemies day-glo yellow and play online. Then you'll get a great screenshot some day and show it to a friend and he'll look at it and notice how you cheat. They he'll do it and tell 4 friends who will also do it and tell 4 of thier friends.

Then a certain squad will get madder than hell because everyone is using thier favorite trick and the forums will be one big argument for months.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they made the skin DL setting in 3 stages.. with Skindownload=0 being the standard default skins, Skindownload=1 being skin download on and Skindownload=2 being user defined default skins, with the setting at the server side overriding anything but Skindownload=0 I think that would eliminate that problem. I would also like to see skinable static planes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Willey:
We had this already in Il-2 times. Because of that, the default Skins were moven into those SFS files, and you can't override them anymore.
Now that's what Maddox has to do. Maybe the community could do this also. We/They need to select a skin for default skin for each plane - and then just put it into that SFS replacing the old one. New defaults for all, but no manipulating. And keep it optional. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A classic example of a great feature that was removed for the majority because of a minority with no scruples. Sad... that must have happened before I got here... then again when I first got here there was a lot to IL2 that I missed because I was so busy having a total blast....LMAO.

vanjast
09-19-2005, 05:39 PM
If these people are cheating like this, then it's obvious they cannot 'fly'. So when it's down to the nitty gritty, they're going to have a day-glo plane making their's look sooo bright with tracers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
09-19-2005, 08:22 PM
Server selected Default skins would be nice, or would it work? Or has this been discussed before? Server selects a "default" skin for each plane type. hehe, the selected skins could be another cause of server preference. Maybe for BoB And Beyond.

RogueSnake79
09-19-2005, 09:11 PM
Good ideas guys.

I really hope something will come of our discussion.

The biggest problem, if we get them sold on the idea of a "skin patch", is the choice of skins.

Like the 109's, theirs tons of great skins out there. We would have to have a poll. Select some of the best blanks, and let everyone vote. On Summer and winter schemes respectivly. And pick the best 2, or 3 outa the lot.

I know what your thinking, if we did it that way, it would take forever, doing all the AC.

But we would only have to do it for a few planes, the ones that everyone flys the most. The 109, Spit, mustang, Yak, zero. The mojority of the games AC don't have such a long list of "great skins". Take the Pe-8 for example.


I think 4 skin patches would be cool, a German, Russian, US, British, and Japan.
That would cut it up alittle, and inshure we don't rush jugement on the best skin for a AC. And also make for easier DL'n.

We need to get some feed back from Ivan, and see if we have a shot at getting this done first. I know how they are short on time, and they won't be happy to hear another " We want " for the old game.
But this is something that has been asked for many times. And everyone seems to want it. A win, win situation.

A patch without a flame thread immediately posted in Olegs ready room? Could that be possiable? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
09-19-2005, 10:53 PM
I agree that a lot of aircraft are in dire need of a facelift. The problem with that "vote" I see is the voting itself. A lot of the "skinner's elite" (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) are popular because they're present on the various boards, while others (who also do fine skins) just don't post that much (or don't seek the popularity ...) so I'd say the skins would have to be submitted and then presented by Ubisoft without anyone knowing who did this particular skin. Of course the skinning style of several skinners is quite unique (I think I could recognize Canon's style for example because of his panel lines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif), but still it would only be a guess so the vote would be about quality and not about the name of the maker.

RogueSnake79
09-19-2005, 11:28 PM
I guess I may have been "overcomplicating" it a bit.

Realy, anyone that works on the game "aka makes patches" Should be able to find some quality replacements for the defualt skins. I bet they already have them on their HD.

I don't think any skinner would have objections to UBI using their skins.

LEBillfish
09-20-2005, 07:12 AM
I've asked for this often as well and still support it....

3.JG51_BigBear
09-20-2005, 10:10 AM
Another bump and support for new default skins. I think it would really freshen up the look of the game.

HelSqnProtos
09-20-2005, 10:15 AM
S~!

Don't hold out a lot of hope. This is something that is actually important -- which is why it will never get done. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Way too much focus on bringing in new airships and too little on gameplay. The old give them bread and circuses and they will be happy routine. Still it is important to make your voice heard for a worthy cause so

BUMP!

JG5_UnKle
09-20-2005, 05:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

Don't hold out a lot of hope. This is something that is actually important -- which is why it will never get done. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Way too much focus on bringing in new airships and too little on gameplay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Keywords : Record, Broken

Jeez do you ever take a day off? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Rjel
09-20-2005, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snafu73:
I seem to remember a strong rumour that there were some skinners being rounded up to do something about some of the default skins in one of the patches.

But I might be completely wrong so dont quote me on this!

No doubt the official secrets act has been signed so who knows? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I heard sorta the same rumor, but in the one I heard the skinners weren't being rounded up to make new skins, they were rounded up to keep them "out of the way" so to speak. You know, give us lesser skinners more of the spotlight. If you don't believe me, ask CanonUk..... if you can find him. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

csThor
09-21-2005, 12:04 AM
So Canon's marriage was organized by Oleg? Just to stop him making skins? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I didn't know he had it in him ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif Good one!

Slechtvalk
09-21-2005, 04:05 AM
It would be nice that when you make a new online dogfightmap with the FMB or a coop map that you also can select a number of different skins you have somewhere located on your harddisk. And that they will be loaded when you host a game and will be uploaded to every player who joins so they can select your choosen skins.

UF-Josse
09-21-2005, 04:19 AM
Iar 80/81 default skin is no sexy at all.

i offer to Oleg to make new default, but... never answered ...

I am allways ok http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

RogueSnake79
09-21-2005, 06:31 AM
Bumpy Bump Bump!

Dew-Claw
09-23-2005, 07:14 AM
I still say the fix lies in turning on Skin Downloads, Cacheing the skins with other players when you join, before you can choose a base.
All skin exchanges take place while in briefing and arming screens.
the server could be set up to delete cached skins when the player that supplied it leaves the server.
Then when a new player joins you see default skins on thier plane until you spend some time back in the briefing screen.

Possibly this could be done by only doing a few changes in the server software.
maybe even a 3rd party program.
Wish I had the skills. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Feathered_IV
09-24-2005, 07:30 AM
Would it really be such a catastrophe if some spotty twerp somewhere manages to get a few more kills than he deserves while the rest of us are enjoying decent looking skins for a change?

Jaws2002
09-24-2005, 10:28 AM
I think a good way would be to have some five "default skins" to chose from for all planes.