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Tinman1982
04-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Hello all.

I've had FB for a while now, and have never been able to fly any of the 109's, 190's, Ju87-88's. The problem is on take-off, i push the throttle to about 20% and the engine overheats, then is "inoperable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif." I know that this was a great fighter of the war and although take-off was somewhat difficult, this was definately NOT the case on take-off. I've uninstalled and reinstalled many many many many times and have looked at airwarfare.com for correct patching sequence. As i said earlier i've had the game for a while now so it's actually been on 2 different computers also. Games are, IL-2 Gold pack, Pacific Fighters, and 1946. I was hoping 1946 would fix this but realize this is an isolated issue. ANY advise or help would be much obliged. HALF THE FUN OF THE GAME IS MISSING FOR ME SIMPLY BECAUSE I CANT FLY ANY OF THE GERMAN PLANES less the bi-planes and jets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif.

please help,
pilot in distress

Tinman1982
04-04-2007, 02:30 PM
Hello all.

I've had FB for a while now, and have never been able to fly any of the 109's, 190's, Ju87-88's. The problem is on take-off, i push the throttle to about 20% and the engine overheats, then is "inoperable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif." I know that this was a great fighter of the war and although take-off was somewhat difficult, this was definately NOT the case on take-off. I've uninstalled and reinstalled many many many many times and have looked at airwarfare.com for correct patching sequence. As i said earlier i've had the game for a while now so it's actually been on 2 different computers also. Games are, IL-2 Gold pack, Pacific Fighters, and 1946. I was hoping 1946 would fix this but realize this is an isolated issue. ANY advise or help would be much obliged. HALF THE FUN OF THE GAME IS MISSING FOR ME SIMPLY BECAUSE I CANT FLY ANY OF THE GERMAN PLANES less the bi-planes and jets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif.

please help,
pilot in distress

VW-IceFire
04-04-2007, 03:04 PM
Could you post a track of yourself doing this? That might be helpful.

Do you engage MW50 or other engine boost prior to throttling up? Do you enable manual prop pitch prior to throttling up?

BTW: Not to be an *** but this thread should probably be in community help or general discussion and not Oleg's Ready Room. You might get a better response if it were in the right location.

Tinman1982
04-04-2007, 06:03 PM
what is MW50?? is this like wep and how do you engage it??

VW-IceFire
04-04-2007, 06:19 PM
Ermm...press W. The universal key for boost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Don't engage it unless the throttle/revs are low. But even then you should not burn out the engine for a few minutes.

We need a track. Can't do anything more till we see what you're doing.

JG52Karaya-X
04-05-2007, 02:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tinman1982:
what is MW50?? is this like wep and how do you engage it?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When your engine power is below 100% and engine revs are below 2600rpm you can safely engage/disengage the MW50 on so equipped planes (Bf109G6/AS, G10, G14, K4, FW190D9'45, Ta152C & H)

Tinman1982
04-05-2007, 08:45 AM
rgr that.

I believe i've found the problem and i feel so so tiny because i wasnt doing 1 thing. For PP you have to hit shift+0 two times to get it to switch over to auto PP. I did this and flew just fine. i dont know why but the 190 and JU's do not have this feature and are taking off just fine also. Thanx all for the help.

~S~
Tinman

JG53Frankyboy
04-05-2007, 08:48 AM
this will perhaps explain it:

for all piston engined planes except:
Ki-27
J8A
TB-3s
Fw190 in auto mode
Spitfire IX and VIII in auto mode
Bf109, Bf110,Do335,Ta152C in manual and auto mode:
the prop pitch in game is controlling the engine revolutions - so 100% pitch here means you allow the egnine to run at max rpm if enough throttle/power is available.
in combat you shoud fly alwasys with 100%.
to lower your pitch is actually only necesarry if you want realy fly slow (that your comrades or the AI can close formation or you want safe fuel) , than you have to reduce the pitch like the throttle. same % rate or pitch 10% more than the throttle % is a good solution.

also using full throttle and useing only 90-95% pitch can reduce the overhat chance - usefull in some planes like the Tempest or the Corsair and Hellcat. that doesnt harm your speed/climb much, if at all !

very few planes in game are overrev in a power dive (full power, 100% pitch) - IIRC that are the Cr.42, G.50, Mc.200, Fw190A/F in manual mode, Fw190D/Ta152H, the Brewsters(not sure about that , may have changed in a patch)


Fw190 in auto mode
Spitfire IX and VIII in auto mode
Bf109, Bf110,Do335,Ta152C in auto mode:
have a one lever system, if you control the throttle, the pitch is automaticly also controled


Bf109, Bf110,Do335,Ta152C in manual mode:
thats totaly different, here you control the propeller pitch direclty ! no automatik will keep the rpm in a "good" condition. it brings you no benefit to use this manual settings anymore (there was a time ). so, dont bother it

the
Ki-27
J8A
TB-3s:
have fixed propellers, so nothing to control there

XyZspineZyX
04-05-2007, 10:22 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

Tinman-

It's not your throttle position, it's the fact that you're cranking the prop pitch up too far and over-revving the engine

The US planes like the P-47 and P-51 use a governor type of system, you can crank pitch to 100%, slam the throttle forward, and go fly

In for example the Bf 109 and Fw 190, there is no governor system, and you can easily over-rev. Keep your revs below 3,000 as a rough estimate, and see how much longer your engine lasts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Just lower your prop pitch

VW-IceFire
04-05-2007, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tinman1982:
rgr that.

I believe i've found the problem and i feel so so tiny because i wasnt doing 1 thing. For PP you have to hit shift+0 two times to get it to switch over to auto PP. I did this and flew just fine. i dont know why but the 190 and JU's do not have this feature and are taking off just fine also. Thanx all for the help.

~S~
Tinman </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
So wait....your plane starts off on manual pitch mode? That shouldn't be....

XyZspineZyX
04-05-2007, 05:55 PM
I think it at least *used to be* a toggle that was 'remembered' from session to session. He's running FB, and I don't recall how it used to work...

MaxMhz
04-05-2007, 06:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tinman1982:
Hello all.

I've had FB for a while now, and have never been able to fly any of the 109's, 190's, Ju87-88's. The problem is on take-off, i push the throttle to about 20% and the engine overheats, then is "inoperable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif." I know that this was a great fighter of the war and although take-off was somewhat difficult, this was definately NOT the case on take-off. I've uninstalled and reinstalled many many many many times and have looked at airwarfare.com for correct patching sequence. As i said earlier i've had the game for a while now so it's actually been on 2 different computers also. Games are, IL-2 Gold pack, Pacific Fighters, and 1946. I was hoping 1946 would fix this but realize this is an isolated issue. ANY advise or help would be much obliged. HALF THE FUN OF THE GAME IS MISSING FOR ME SIMPLY BECAUSE I CANT FLY ANY OF THE GERMAN PLANES less the bi-planes and jets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif.


please help,
pilot in distress </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Make sure you have prop pitch set to 100% or automatic (Shift-0) otherwise you'll overheat and blow your engine real fast http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif or turn OFF complex engine management...

|ZUTI|
04-11-2007, 05:30 AM
One question, if i may. How to enable manual PP control on german planes, say, FW190-A9? I do use complex engine management and i have PP increase/decrease commands assigned to my throtle, but, they do not work on german planes. What am i missing?

Thanks.

JG4_Helofly
04-11-2007, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by |ZUTI|:
One question, if i may. How to enable manual PP control on german planes, say, FW190-A9? I do use complex engine management and i have PP increase/decrease commands assigned to my throtle, but, they do not work on german planes. What am i missing?

Thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First you must switch the automatic prop controle off, than you can increase or decrease prop pitch.

|ZUTI|
04-17-2007, 05:41 AM
Blah, thanks JG4_Helofly. Not to find THE key http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So obvious though... thanks again.