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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:33 AM
I realize that Oleg has his reasons, for concetrating on the Europe and West Asia planes, but I would give a left nut if he would get the gang to work on some USA vs Japan planes and maps. It would be so cool to fight in Corsairs against Zeros, or fly the Enola Gay. I'm sure the needed data to make it accurate would be pretty easy to find for most of these types of planes. It was part of WWII too, and I'm sure more than just us Americans would love to have some of that action. IL-2 FB is the only simulator I can play, all the others suck and pale in comparison. I wager that such an expansion pack, if created could easily sell as many copies as have already been sold of the current versions. I know I'd plunk down my cash in a heart beat. I'm not an aviation expert, or a plane fanatic, but I can see and appreciate fine detailed work when I see it. There is nothing that can beat FB for WWII flight. In fact there really is no other flight sim worth squat once you play FB. Love you Oleg, you do a great job and you must be a hell of a genius. I hope your making a fortune with this because you sure deserve it. If you can ever get to what I asked I know yu'll make an even greater fortune.



Message Edited on 06/30/0312:34AM by JimRockford

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:33 AM
I realize that Oleg has his reasons, for concetrating on the Europe and West Asia planes, but I would give a left nut if he would get the gang to work on some USA vs Japan planes and maps. It would be so cool to fight in Corsairs against Zeros, or fly the Enola Gay. I'm sure the needed data to make it accurate would be pretty easy to find for most of these types of planes. It was part of WWII too, and I'm sure more than just us Americans would love to have some of that action. IL-2 FB is the only simulator I can play, all the others suck and pale in comparison. I wager that such an expansion pack, if created could easily sell as many copies as have already been sold of the current versions. I know I'd plunk down my cash in a heart beat. I'm not an aviation expert, or a plane fanatic, but I can see and appreciate fine detailed work when I see it. There is nothing that can beat FB for WWII flight. In fact there really is no other flight sim worth squat once you play FB. Love you Oleg, you do a great job and you must be a hell of a genius. I hope your making a fortune with this because you sure deserve it. If you can ever get to what I asked I know yu'll make an even greater fortune.



Message Edited on 06/30/0312:34AM by JimRockford

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:48 AM
Lets Dream together, and have the pearl harbor map to

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:58 AM
Thanks Aztec Eagle for your support! See, my daddy was a WWII veteran. He wasn't a pilot, but a Navy man. Everyone in his original unit was killed by the Japanese but he herocially survived. It would just be so cool. I know it would be a lot of work, but I KNOW there are many who would pay the $$ for such work considering the quality that is provided by Oleg and his team. The other sims basically suck ***. I'd rather fly Russian and German planes in FB than Pacific theatre planes with the other sorry simulators. I'm not sure Oleg and the guys even realize what they are on the verge of here. Man these guys have it going on! With the cash they would make with such an addition they'd have resources to really do what they wanted to the extreme. Just my opinion of course, but I'm nearly a genius. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:22 AM
I heartily agree with you. My grandfather was a radioman in a B-17 in the earlier part of the Pacific and Later on in Europe. He was awarded three purple hearts and the distinguished flying cross. I would love to have the pacific maps and planes, however, it would take a very long time and for now, let's finish what we've started. The European theater and Med.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 03:33 AM
I wish for this as well, having my grandfather serving on the carrier tarawa, the pacific will always be what i want most

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06-30-2003, 06:30 AM
yep i'm all for the pacific as theatre well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And Boosher, my grand father was a flight enginer on a b-17 before getting transferd to the 58th Fg were he worked his way up to crew chief with the 310th. was with them all the way through Korea and retired shortly after.

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:01 AM
Islands,jungles,beautiful beacheheads,cumulus clouds,Zeros,Georges,Tonys,Peggys,Bettys,Kates,Cor sairs,P-38s,Hellcats,Wildcats,Dauntlesses,Avengers,PBYs,Ai rcraft Carriers... hmmm,maybe a good idea.I`ll think about it.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:02 AM
First the Med and Southern Europe!

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:20 AM
as an aussie I am definitely in favour of the Pacific though i personally would like to see the Med first

however one should point out that the "US has more money to throw around, so what the US wants should come first" argument is not a good one

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 07:27 AM
Many of us here in Australia, share your view on a Pacfic Sim Jim.
We love FB, and we have seen its potential to expand also, into areas like the Pacific. It would be the best Pacific Sim ever made.
We know how lucky we are to have a developer like Oleg Maddox with his Listen to users policy.

Crikey! a Pacfic Sim made by 1C, wouldnt that be awesome!, if Oleg is not a millionaire yet, he soon will be making a Sim like that, when the American consumer market place finds out about it.
The Quality of the product already speaks for itself.

Cheers

My Father was a stoker in the Engine Room of HMAS Westralia, a troop transport, when he was not doing that he was on fire watch amid ships with field glasses watching his section of the sky and sea for enemy aircraft or ships.
One moon lit night at 11pm off the coast of Luzon in the Phillipines a Lone Kamakazi dove straight down on HMAS Westralia, 2000 American Marines where Quatered below her decks.
The American Destroyers either side of Westralia and the cruiser in front opened fire with all AA that they could bring to bear.
Then Westralias guns opened fire, there was a blinding flash and big expolsion 50 ft above the aft weld deck , nearly everybody above decks including Dad where knocked off their feet.
Fortunatly the Kamakazi had received a last second hit from AA that made it explode above the deck and shower debris onto it with out harming the ship.

Imagine the consequences of that Plane crashing into the aft Weld deck above Westralias boiler room and the Bomb penetrating into the boiler room !!

With 2000 American Marines trapped below decks it would have been the stuff Nightmares are made of.



Message Edited on 06/30/0306:46AM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 11:37 AM
Pacific WWII theatre would be great but only after MED.

In MED we could have more countries (Italy, France, Germany, USA, English, Greece and others).
At the same time we could have naval-air battle between Italy/Germany and Great Britain.

But for the future i would like have Midway.

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:26 PM
Actualy Australia, New Zealand, British Forces as well as America where involved in the Pacific.
The British Navy so used to being succesfull against Germany was driven from the Pacific, the 2 capitol ships sent to help disposed of easily by the Japanese.
The Battle Ships Prince of Wales and Repulse eliminated sunk
The remaining British Naval forces got right out of the way of the Japanese Task force.
Only the Pacific had Carriers on both sides as well.
Look at the Venues,
New Guinea Campaign, Quadacanal, the Solomons, TERRIBLE TARAWA, not even one palm tree was left standing there.
Saipan, the Battle of the Coral Sea, The Battle of Midway,
the Battle of the Phillipine sea, Truk! Okinowa, and it goes on and on.
The Magnificent Fleet Carriers of Both Sides as well, it would be an enourmouse under taking for Oleg and Team to tackle.
If they ever decided to take it on.

Who else however could really do it Justice !

XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 02:46 PM
For me Pacific is ok but i would like first of all MED.
I'm afraid for the graphic engine in Pacific: we need a lot of ships and a strong AI for bombers, torpedos, fighter and ships.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:53 AM
WTE_Galway wrote:
- as an aussie I am definitely in favour of the
- Pacific though i personally would like to see the
- Med first
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- however one should point out that the "US has more
- money to throw around, so what the US wants should
- come first" argument is not a good one


Forgive me if I gave that impression. It was not intended.
However we must all admit that money talks. With the cash cow that the pacific theatre would generate UBI and Oleg could afford to add staff and create just about anything. I mean Oleg really has a good thing going here. I just pray it keeps on going. I love it. Quality sells, and Oleg has quality built in, in spite of all the nit picky whiners opinions.

Just my thoughts...

And thanks to all you other guys for your input. I enjoyed reading it all.

EDIT: Also it's really cool that MS isn't involved. I love and respect MS but I think they ruin stuff like this
when they get involved.






Message Edited on 07/01/0312:55AM by JimRockford

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 05:50 AM
If Oleg made flight sims from the other two major theatres, I would be 100 dollars poorer.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:30 PM
After we got a Battle of Britain/Belgium/Holland scenario /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 12:44 PM
The Pacific only if we get the Spitfire, Mosquito and Beaufighter with it!

Seriously, the Med and North West Europe offers
the same US plane set as the Pacific, apart from the
B29, Dauntless, etc.

Via the FAA we get F4F, F6F, Corsair, Avenger, etc.

We already have the P40, P51, P47, and soon the P38
from Gibbage. The Gladiator is also on its way, as
is the Spitfire, etc.

For the Med we have the current LW and Italian plane set
to use and populate the sim with, rather than just
a couple of Japanese planes so far. So we are ahead
of the game for a Med sim compared to a Pacific one.

The Med means very few additional planes to add,
and a lot of planes already created that can be reused.
It needs not a great deal more than new
terrain, carriers, and a small number of new planes,
and you could make an initial carrier-free version, even,
by just adding the Spitfire and the new terrains, and
trop mods of the 109F, etc.

Adding in all the Japanese planes as well is a longer
term task, but the US planes required for the Pacific
could already be in the Med sim.

So basically going Med first, you have the ability to
easily create an add on with a managable amount of work,
meaning the product gets out sooner, and a revenue stream
(if it is a paid-for product) sooner. Then you have another
manageable amount of work to then create a Pacific sim
on the back of this.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 01:36 PM
Med first!!!

I wont to be like my grandfather on the skyes of Sicily with the Macchi 200!!

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 02:23 PM
Arctic don't forget the Dutch, they also fought against the Japanese in the Pacific /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 04:28 PM
And the Chinese were fighting the Japanese from the
1930s! And a whole host of other nationalities from
the area took part.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 08:29 PM
Despite my dreams about the Pacific, I must admit that it is the Med that should be done. Why?

1st, it will make the ground for a pacific- better AI, Ships, greater formations of aircraft. I just think that they will think their way through the MED up to the Pacific. Pacific requires FM regarding heights from sea level to 7000m, more complex ship AI- ships maneuvering to escape the divers or the torpedoes, a far more complex damage model on the ships, better AAA, better guidance(I mean CAP guided to the enemy formation, sometimes with mistakes), far more complicated aircraft AI behaviour(thatch weave implemented). such stuff...



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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 11:40 PM
Yeah, that would be awesome!!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
07-02-2003, 08:34 AM
Only a few years ago, most of you would have thought that a Combat Flight Sim Like IL-2 would have been impossible to make, or Run on our PCs.

Things change very quickly in this technological world of ours dont they.
Hey hows that new Radeon ! with the 256 MB of DDR Ram eh.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 02:24 AM
Pacific Theater would be my absolute favorite.

XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 03:12 PM
Count me in! Heck, I'll give a $$ advance to get production going!

IL2 has sparked my interest in Russin military history and areonautical design. Above that IL2 has rewritten the standards for PC flight sims no matter what Theater it depicts.
If IL2 was to expand to the Battle of Brittan, or the Battle of Midway, it really wouldnt be IL2 anymore. It would be more like,"MADOX WWII CFS", or somthing to that effect, but I'd buy it!



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XyZspineZyX
07-03-2003, 09:35 PM
Actualy,
Forgotton Battles, is the Name of the current Sim, perhaps we may see a whole expansion pack group of combat sims emerge from 1 c using this title in the future.
We do not know for certain yet, it will depend on the developers priorities.

It would seem however 1C has caught World interest with their attention to detail and Quality of product.
At this level they also seem to have not a single seriouse competitor.
With PC proccesor, and Video Card Technology speeding up expotentialy, there is actualy nothing stopping 1C from developing any theatre of Air Combat.
The only areas that 1C may be limited in is man power and time to work on these projects.

At times we had posts from people who resisted buying FB because it was a Russian front sim, who said they where won over by the Sim after buying it.

It would be interesting to know how many out there are still resisting buying it for that reason, choosing not to be involved at all where the enemy is not the Japanese Air Force, or would say it does not even have aircraft carriers in it, that sort of thing.
CFS 2 sold in the millions after all, with no Luftwaffe involvment at all.


Message Edited on 07/03/03 08:42PM by Artic_Wulf

Message Edited on 07/03/03 08:47PM by Artic_Wulf

Message Edited on 07/03/0308:52PM by Artic_Wulf

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 04:40 AM
I'd love to have a Pacific Sim...that'd be great. That would take me back to the days of Aces over the Pacific...a great game at the time (it really pales in comparison to todays games but it was a real piece of work way back).

I would hope that it would be covered with the depth that has been afforded IL-2 and Forgotten Battles...definately the old Aces games were missing all sorts of the battles including what the Australians were doing and the whole Japan invades China thing. I'd like to see those depicted as much as I want to fly a US Marine Corsair off a beach strip against some Zero's and so on. And we are getting a Zero in one of these FB patches, thats got to be a good sign http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 10:24 AM
A little "problem" with carrier warfare:: how many aircraft can FB support to sim a battle between even just *one* carrier on each side? Without radical changes done about AI calculations, this is not going to work.

The only advantage Pacific offers is the simple ocean grafix, but that too gets choked by more than about 30 AI aircraft total, no matter the Video Card Pro.

A Pacific sim that would satisfy Pacific lovers won't work under FB engine. Internet dogfights between 2 aircraft may be possible, but not a carrier based air combat sim. Think about it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

The reason nobody whines (~yet~) about lack of air battles in FB is because nobody knows of the massive air battles that occured in Eastern Front. Just wait till they get a Pacific carrier air combat sim.



Message Edited on 07/04/0309:53AM by LEXX_Luthor

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 12:02 PM
A carrier in a DF server game would be motionless surely, and act in the same way as an Airfield does, in FB, supporting the same number of people allowed into the server by the host?
With out the lag caused by clutter of Cities, and other ground objects in the open Ocean.

In a Coop Mission you still only get the maximum players allowed that you do in FB correct, only now the carrier is moving.
I guess that could make it interesting in that the Air field is now Moving and you have to know where its going to be, when you arrive back from mission.

I do not think anybody was assuming that there would be more aircraft involved than we already see in DF servers or Coop Missions to keep Pacific Sim Enthusiasts happy.

Also there seems to be a pre occupation with Ocean and Carriers,and small islands, that was only part of the Pacfic War.
In the Pacific there where some large Land Masses that saw Heavy fighting for some years, against the Japanese.
Look at the New Guinea Campaign, that lasted over 2 years with a savage air war, contested between the Allied Air Fields around Port Moresby, and the Japanese Air Bases at Lae, Salamua, and Rabaul on the Island of New Britain.

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 01:12 PM
Sorry, I was talking about AI calculations for offline missions. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 02:45 PM
This is what I have to say about the pacific

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XyZspineZyX
07-04-2003, 05:36 PM
Well we ARE getting a Zero. It is a start. Really looking forward to that maneouverable little baby, even if the most weakly armed planes can tear it apart if they manage hits.

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XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:21 PM
icaris1 wrote:
- Count me in! Heck, I'll give a $$ advance to get
- production going!
-
- IL2 has sparked my interest in Russin military
- history and areonautical design. Above that IL2 has
- rewritten the standards for PC flight sims no matter
- what Theater it depicts.
- If IL2 was to expand to the Battle of Brittan, or
- the Battle of Midway, it really wouldnt be IL2
- anymore. It would be more like,"MADOX WWII CFS", or
- somthing to that effect, but I'd buy it!


But the defining point of IL-2 was that you did learn about the Russian military, aircraft, tactics, and history. What some of these games that come out with a WWII setting is that some of the history is negated and you are just left with generic combat simulation number six hundred and twelve instead of a game that gives you a historical look at an era of combat. IL-2 was great for historical accuracy and content...what many people including myself is a continuation of that theme in other World War II theaters. Russia was a great experience in the end...something I didn't know much about, but there are indeed other theaters that have been covered (some in great detail) but never before like IL-2 did...and I guess were secretly hoping that Oleg can do it again wherever else he goes and bring us that historical accuracy (and bredth of coverage) that is sometimes lacking in other games.

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:25 PM
A pacific 1 would be sweet.Microsoft's sucks and I don;t know of any other game. So OLEG whenever you feel like doing that it would be nice. lol. One day perhaps one day!

XyZspineZyX
07-05-2003, 08:56 PM
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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:02 PM
Thanks for the mostly positive feedback on this topics guys. I appreciate it. Someone mentioned that it is interesting how IL-2 and FB brought to light some aspects and battles of the war that hadn't been too widely thought of by the masses. That is true too. I'm sure there are many out there that have mostly forgotten about the Pacific theatre battles and struggles too. It sure would be fun. Really all the theatres would be neat. Maybe there is a plan to keep on adding them until practically the whole WWII is covered! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It woud be fun as heck tho to fly in one of those huge superfortress bombers, or to try and pull off Doolittles Tokyo raid, or be in the Japanese swarm at Pearl Harbor, or be the guy to shoot down the Japanese General, (what was his name...hmm... memory lapse), or fight in the Blacksheep Squadron, or bomb carriers, or land and take off of them, or ..well you get my idea.

XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 04:52 AM
Well, unless Oleg simply releases a new Russian front sim every 2 years, he's going to have to do another theater of war. The BoB/ETO has been done to the nth degree, which leaves N.Africa/Med/Italy, or CBI/PTO. Either one would make a great game, and either one would allow the inclusion of multiple nationalities (Italy, Vichy France, Germany Free France, Britain, America for the Med; Japan, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, America, Holland, Nationalist China, Russia for the PTO/CBI). Personally, though, I think the extra variety of the PTO (carriers for both sides, island maps, etc.) would make the PTO/CBI the best choice.