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doug.d
10-17-2005, 06:24 AM
I stumbled upon this site by chance, could be on or off topic or both, but I found the sections on Maritime Disasters of WWII, very interesting and felt compelled to share. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Historical facts of WWII (http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/index.html)

doug.d
10-17-2005, 06:24 AM
I stumbled upon this site by chance, could be on or off topic or both, but I found the sections on Maritime Disasters of WWII, very interesting and felt compelled to share. Enjoy. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Historical facts of WWII (http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/index.html)

JU88
10-17-2005, 06:30 AM
nice site!! hahahah check this out.....

A NEAR DISASTER (October 30,1939)

The German submarine U-56, commanded by Lieutenant Wilhelm Zahn, found itself bang in the middle of a contingent of the British Home Fleet sailing just west of the Orkney Islands. Leading the contingent was the battleship HMS Rodney followed by the HMS Nelson and HMS Hood, all surrounded by a protective screen of destroyers. Here was the U-56, sitting at periscope depth in an ideal firing position and straight ahead was the Flagship of the Fleet, HMS Nelson. Elated, Zahn fired three torpedoes at the target which was impossible to miss. Two of the torpedoes actually hit the Nelson but did not explode! The U-56 made a quick getaway. Had the torpedoes exploded, the V.I.P.s on board the Nelson would have been in great danger. They had gathered for a conference to determine what action had to be taken after the sinking of the Royal Oak at Scapa flow. The illustrious guests included the C-in-C Home Fleet, Admiral Sir Charles Forbes, the First Sea Lord, Admiral of the Fleet, Sir Dudley Pound, and Lord of the Admiralty, Mr.Winston Churchill! This heaven sent opportunity caused Admiral Karl Donetz, the German U-boat supremo, to write in his war diary "Without doubt, the torpedo inspectors have fallen down on their job ... at least 30% of our torpedoes are duds!" Gunther Prien, hero of Scapa Flow, remarked "How the hell do they expect us to fight with dummy rifles". Without doubt this was a great embarrassment to the German Navy - 31 U-boat attacks from favourable positions, 4 attacks on the Warspite, 12 attacks on various cruisers, 10 attacks on destroyers and 5 attacks on troop transports - without a single hit! All torpedoes failed to explode. How lucky we were!

doug.d
10-17-2005, 07:26 AM
I was amazed at the number of passenger liners sunk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Seems they were as sought after as targets back then, as they are today in SH3! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Seewolf1939
10-17-2005, 03:57 PM
"U-56, commanded by Lieutenant Wilhelm Zahn"

Leutnant Zahn would end up as one of the Kapitanen of the Wilhelm Gustloff on her last voyage which he would survive.

Kapitan von Kahil

Criosphinx
10-17-2005, 07:16 PM
Wow and I feel frustrated when a torpedo fails against a merchant

Can't imagine what they feel, probably after that they could hear the captain yelling through the hydrophones

Hawggy
10-17-2005, 07:34 PM
Sure, German spies spotted Churchill visiting troops in North Africa, but didn't really get a chance to shoot him like Zahn did. What a bad feeling he must've carried around in his gut. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-21-2005, 11:27 PM
I think one of the biggest disasters of World War II, in regards to maritime warfare, was the sinking of the U.S.S. Indianapolis:

The USS Indianapolis (CA-35) was commissioned at the Philadelphia Navy Yard on 15 November 1932. The ship served with honor from Pearl Harbor through the last campaign of World War II, sinking in action two weeks before the end of the war. At 12:14 a.m. on July 30, 1945, while sailing from Guam to Leyte, Indianapolis was torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-58. The ship capsized and sank in twelve minutes. . The remainders, about 900 men, were left floating in shark-infested waters with no lifeboats and most with no food or water.

Survivors were spotted by a patrol aircraft on 2 August. All air and surface units capable of rescue operations were dispatched to the scene at once, and the surrounding waters were thoroughly searched for survivors. Upon completion of the day and night search on 8 August, 316 men were rescued out of the crew of 1,199.

The ship's captain, the late Charles Butler McVay III, survived and was court-martialed and convicted of "hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag". Despite overwhelming evidence that the Navy itself had placed the ship in harm's way, despite testimony from the Japanese submarine commander that zigzagging would have made no difference, and the that fact that, although over 350 navy ships were lost in combat in WWII, McVay was the only captain to be court-martialed. Materials declassified years later adds to the evidence that McVay was a scapegoat for the mistakes of others.

They were on a secret mission to deliver the first atomic bomb to Tinian Island. On their return leg home, they were torpedoed and left for the sharks, because no one knew what happened.

MajorJohansson
11-15-2005, 10:33 PM
Great WWII wet site, nevertheless I browsed arround a litle bit further into the site... and I got horrified... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Funkasoar
11-16-2005, 02:06 AM
Well hands down the worst maritime disaster of WW2 was the Halifax Harbour Explosion. Munitions ship ran into another ship in themiddle of the harbour and a fire started and then thousands of tons of TNT, and other volatile explosives levelled the nearby buildings, vapourized human beings, deposited pieces of ship's hull miles inland and it all happened off the tranquil coast of Canada's largest maritime province harbour. Can't beat that.

Ratek
11-16-2005, 11:06 AM
In terms of the lack of attention and human behaviour it has to be the Indianapolis.

But in terms of pure destruction nothing beats the Wilhelm Gustloff... NOTHING! Recent studies have put the killed upwards of 9,000.

The_Silent_O
11-16-2005, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Funkasoar:
Well hands down the worst maritime disaster of WW2 was the Halifax Harbour Explosion. Munitions ship ran into another ship in themiddle of the harbour and a fire started and then thousands of tons of TNT, and other volatile explosives levelled the nearby buildings, vapourized human beings, deposited pieces of ship's hull miles inland and it all happened off the tranquil coast of Canada's largest maritime province harbour. Can't beat that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe (in fact I know) that was in The Great War (WWI). excerpt and link below...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">About the Halifax Explosion: The Halifax Explosion, the world's largest man-made explosion before Hiroshima, occurred when a Belgian relief vessel and a French munitions carrier collided in Halifax Harbour during World War I.

Date: December 6, 1917

Location: Halifax, Nova Scotia

Cause of the Halifax Explosion: Human error

Background to the Halifax Explosion: In 1917, Halifax, Nova Scotia was the main base of the new Canadian Navy and housed the most important army garrison in Canada. The port was a major hub of wartime activity and Halifax Harbour was crowded with warships, troop transports and supply ships.

Casualties of the Halifax Explosion:
more than 1900 people killed
9000 injured
1600 buildings destroyed
12,000 houses damaged
6000 homeless; 25,000 people with inadequate housing

Halifax Explosion Summary:
The Belgian relief vessel Imo was leaving Halifax Harbour on its way to New York and the French munitions ship Mont Blanc was on its way to wait for a convoy when the two ships collided at 8:45 am.

The munitions ship was carrying picric acid, gun cotton and TNT. Her top deck carried benzol which spilled and burned.

For 20 minutes crowds gathered around Halifax Harbour to watch the billowing smoke filled with sparks and fire as the Mont Blanc drifted towards Pier 6. While crews from nearby ships raced to put out the blaze, the captain and crew of the Mont Blanc rowed in lifeboats for the Dartmouth shore. When the crew landed they tried to warn people to run.

The Mont Blanc rammed Pier 6, setting its wood pilings on fire.

The Mont Blanc exploded, flattening everything within 800 metres (2600 feet), and causing damage for 1.6 km (1 mile). The explosion was said to have been heard as far away as Prince Edward Island.

Fires spread quickly after the explosion.

Water around the ship vaporized, a huge wave flooded the streets of Halifax and Dartmouth and swept many people back into the harbour where they drowned.

The next day, one of the worst blizzards ever recorded in Halifax began, and lasted for six days.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://canadaonline.about.com/cs/canadaww1/p/halifaxexpl.htm

Ratek
11-16-2005, 01:44 PM
Wasn't it something like the largest single manmade explosion until the atomic bomb?

general_kalle
11-17-2005, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AO1_AW_SW_USN:
I think one of the biggest disasters of World War II, in regards to maritime warfare, was the sinking of the U.S.S. Indianapolis:

The USS Indianapolis (CA-35) was commissioned at the Philadelphia Navy Yard on 15 November 1932. The ship served with honor from Pearl Harbor through the last campaign of World War II, sinking in action two weeks before the end of the war. At 12:14 a.m. on July 30, 1945, while sailing from Guam to Leyte, Indianapolis was torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-58. The ship capsized and sank in twelve minutes. . The remainders, about 900 men, were left floating in shark-infested waters with no lifeboats and most with no food or water.

Survivors were spotted by a patrol aircraft on 2 August. All air and surface units capable of rescue operations were dispatched to the scene at once, and the surrounding waters were thoroughly searched for survivors. Upon completion of the day and night search on 8 August, 316 men were rescued out of the crew of 1,199.

The ship's captain, the late Charles Butler McVay III, survived and was court-martialed and convicted of "hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag". Despite overwhelming evidence that the Navy itself had placed the ship in harm's way, despite testimony from the Japanese submarine commander that zigzagging would have made no difference, and the that fact that, although over 350 navy ships were lost in combat in WWII, McVay was the only captain to be court-martialed. Materials declassified years later adds to the evidence that McVay was a scapegoat for the mistakes of others.

They were on a secret mission to deliver the first atomic bomb to Tinian Island. On their return leg home, they were torpedoed and left for the sharks, because no one knew what happened. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ive read a book. Scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif i dont remember the name of the book

The_Silent_O
11-17-2005, 02:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by general_kalle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AO1_AW_SW_USN:
I think one of the biggest disasters of World War II, in regards to maritime warfare, was the sinking of the U.S.S. Indianapolis:

The USS Indianapolis (CA-35) was commissioned at the Philadelphia Navy Yard on 15 November 1932. The ship served with honor from Pearl Harbor through the last campaign of World War II, sinking in action two weeks before the end of the war. At 12:14 a.m. on July 30, 1945, while sailing from Guam to Leyte, Indianapolis was torpedoed by Japanese submarine I-58. The ship capsized and sank in twelve minutes. . The remainders, about 900 men, were left floating in shark-infested waters with no lifeboats and most with no food or water.

Survivors were spotted by a patrol aircraft on 2 August. All air and surface units capable of rescue operations were dispatched to the scene at once, and the surrounding waters were thoroughly searched for survivors. Upon completion of the day and night search on 8 August, 316 men were rescued out of the crew of 1,199.

The ship's captain, the late Charles Butler McVay III, survived and was court-martialed and convicted of "hazarding his ship by failing to zigzag". Despite overwhelming evidence that the Navy itself had placed the ship in harm's way, despite testimony from the Japanese submarine commander that zigzagging would have made no difference, and the that fact that, although over 350 navy ships were lost in combat in WWII, McVay was the only captain to be court-martialed. Materials declassified years later adds to the evidence that McVay was a scapegoat for the mistakes of others.

They were on a secret mission to deliver the first atomic bomb to Tinian Island. On their return leg home, they were torpedoed and left for the sharks, because no one knew what happened. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ive read a book. Scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif i dont remember the name of the book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The book is called In Harms Way (http://www.ussindianapolisinharmsway.com/home.htm) by Doug Stanton. This is the book's site. I've read it too...it is harrowing!

An official site for the USS Indianapolis is here (http://www.ussindianapolis.org/)

Another Great book on a submarine rescue by the late Peter Maas is Those Terrible Hours (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061014591/104-5590966-4134342?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance). It goes into great detail the peacetime rescue of the USS Squalus off the coast of New Hampshire. The conning tower is still in the Portsmouth Navy Yard and I've been there. Even a better book than above and you learn about ADM "Swede" Momsen, the man who developed recue equipment for submariners