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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:56 PM
Hello Oleg

Thankyou for this excellent forum.

I have been flying IL-2 FORGOTTEN BATTLES for about 3 months now. I flew IL-2 before that. These are very good games in most aspects.

One thing which I do not like is the ability of enemy fire to destroy rudder, aileron and elevator controls with only a few bullets. A concern escpecially is when this happens with fire from rear gunners, even when they are firing with a single small machinegun.

I fly a FockeWulf 190 quite often, and find that it can lose these controls easily.

I have done some study of the aircraft, and it was equipped with heavy metal control rods instead of wire cables whioh a lot of the other aircraft had.

I am wondering how a small calibre bullet can cut these rods so easily?

Please look at this issue. There should be different ability to damage a plane depending on whether it has cables or control rods.

Fun game otherwise, although some of the planes seem to be too fast when compared to the speeds which are listed in your manual on the CD. (not the FW190D)


Thankyou

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 07:56 PM
Hello Oleg

Thankyou for this excellent forum.

I have been flying IL-2 FORGOTTEN BATTLES for about 3 months now. I flew IL-2 before that. These are very good games in most aspects.

One thing which I do not like is the ability of enemy fire to destroy rudder, aileron and elevator controls with only a few bullets. A concern escpecially is when this happens with fire from rear gunners, even when they are firing with a single small machinegun.

I fly a FockeWulf 190 quite often, and find that it can lose these controls easily.

I have done some study of the aircraft, and it was equipped with heavy metal control rods instead of wire cables whioh a lot of the other aircraft had.

I am wondering how a small calibre bullet can cut these rods so easily?

Please look at this issue. There should be different ability to damage a plane depending on whether it has cables or control rods.

Fun game otherwise, although some of the planes seem to be too fast when compared to the speeds which are listed in your manual on the CD. (not the FW190D)


Thankyou

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 08:06 PM
I've found I tend to lose my elevator and rudder controls a lot in my IL-2 bomber campaign. Let me tell you it's a biatch trying to land with only aieleron and throttle controls. I have to go for it tho! We need to save our valuable planes or our squad will have to fly in trainers.
I don't figure it's a bug or nothing, I just get shot up a lot.

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 09:30 PM
loses of control cables are certainly not a bug or too frequent, you get them when you get directly shot in some important spots, and dont forget that the control cables were a little primitives in a lot of planes like the 109 (a system of poulley) and easy to destroy... I don't agree when you say that its easy to destroy cantrol cables on a fw 190, It is really a tough plane. most of the time you lose your wing or something (after heavy hits) before your control cables be destroyed... Personnaly, I nerver lost control cables in a fw even if I get get very often lol

XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:29 PM
Salute

I don't know about the FW190, since I don't fly it enough to get a good understanding of how much damage it can take, but the P-47 has its control sytems shot out far too frequently.

Very often I have had the aileron controls destroyed by 7.92mm rounds from He-111 gunners or Ju88 gunners.

The P-47, similar to the 190, also had a system of Control rods which were quite heavy guage metal and which should not be affected by a small calibre round.

I think this needs to be adjusted, although perhaps only for planes with control rods instead of cables.


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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 10:34 PM
Maybe its just me, but I've NEVER lost my control cables in a 190, and I fly that a/c the most... the 109's on the other hand.... sigh... even looking at it will destroy its controls..

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XyZspineZyX
07-06-2003, 11:33 PM
I don't think it's too frequent - if this damage option would be gone, the 50s would become really useless. You could only hope for a fire then. Right now I think they are OK, for one because they are able to take out control lines fairly quickly by a good burst, which seems reasonable imho (from what I've read, iRL many LW pilots bailed out after 50cal bursts often without visible damage - I guess this was either because of non-visible engine trouble or control issues).

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 12:02 AM
Gotta agree with the others, I never lose controls in the 190, in the 109 it happens often.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 01:38 AM
The DM is better than IL2 - although in need of much work...patch will fix it hopefully.

I think the "toughness" factor is correct here for 109 v 190



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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:07 AM
"I fly a FockeWulf 190 quite often, and find that it can lose these controls easily."

If you had just said just "190" then I would be certain it was a typo. I rarely fly the 109, but I have lost control cables several times.

I fly the FW190A4/A5 FW190D9 and FW190F8, almost exclusively, online. Couple hundred missions offline in 190A4, Hundreds of hours online. I have never lost control cables in a FW190, and quite honestly I have every reason to think it is not possible (though I have enough faith in the sim that I accept that it is possible despite all the evidence I have to the contrary).

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:29 AM
I know I rarely lose controls in the 190's I fly..I stick to the A series planes. I fly the P-47 and P-40 alot also, and i've noticed in at least the 47 I lose control of some part all the time, and the entire rear half of the plane likes to come off extremely easily under fire. Maybe it's just me ;p

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 06:53 AM
I cant tell how it was IRL, but losing controls is about half of my deaths. Especially flak is very good at taking out controls.
I used to fly 109 exclusively, and flak (25mm) would normally take out most or all your controls out in seconds. Now that i switched to a VVS squad, i fly IL2 mostly, and my controls still get shot up on a very regular basis. I hope this will be addressed in the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 09:30 AM
all i know is that if you even think about shooting at a 109 the control cables snap

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XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:22 PM
Wouldn't mind it so much if the AI were on an equal damage footing. But when it's only you suffering chronic control cable damage, it's not a very fun playing field. Also, why is it when you receive hits in one wing on a 109, you also lose the other wings aileron control? Never seen an aircraft yet that had both ailerons rigged to a single cable running through one wing. Why does trim die with elevators shot out, aren't they seperate systems? The level of damage modeled is good but not great.

XyZspineZyX
07-07-2003, 11:41 PM
About the P-47... Funny thing is, that monster can absorb many MK108 hits and keep flying...but i was amazed when short burst of MG fire was disabling controls. 109 jocks, make a note to yourself...spray the bastige with MG first, then finish him off with the big gun /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-08-2003, 12:45 AM
Not sure, but I think control cables also means the hinges of the actual rudder flaps. I think it would be realistic, if a 20mm HE shell goes anywhere near a hinge of your tail rudder, that you can kiss it goodbye.