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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:04 PM
Is it possible to run the Forgotten Battles combat flight simulator with a state of the art system at?

With main graphics settings:

- 1600x1200x32
- 4xAA
- 8xAF

With graphic quality levels:

- Visible Distance: High
- Object Lighting: High
- Object Detail: Excellent
- Landscape Lighting: Excellent
- Landscape Detail: Perfect
- Clouds Detail: Detailed Clouds

With sound quality:

- Playback channels: 32
- Speaker type: Surround
- 3D engine mode: Full
- Sampling Rate: 48000
- Use Audio enhancements and hardware acceleration
- Use Audio Chatter

I have the cash to burn which is about 5000 euros!

Can I go for a new Intel P4 3.2 GHz on an 875P motherboard with 2 GB DDR400 PC3500 memory and with a GeForce FX 5900 or a ATI 9800 Pro state of the art system today?

Or should I wait for the end of Q4 2003 or the beginning of Q1 2004 when the next generation of CPU (Intel P5 or Athlon64) and GPU (NV40 or R420) comes out?

Some advice please!

Please no discussions on how I want to run this game but only some real advice if this is possible or not!


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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:04 PM
Is it possible to run the Forgotten Battles combat flight simulator with a state of the art system at?

With main graphics settings:

- 1600x1200x32
- 4xAA
- 8xAF

With graphic quality levels:

- Visible Distance: High
- Object Lighting: High
- Object Detail: Excellent
- Landscape Lighting: Excellent
- Landscape Detail: Perfect
- Clouds Detail: Detailed Clouds

With sound quality:

- Playback channels: 32
- Speaker type: Surround
- 3D engine mode: Full
- Sampling Rate: 48000
- Use Audio enhancements and hardware acceleration
- Use Audio Chatter

I have the cash to burn which is about 5000 euros!

Can I go for a new Intel P4 3.2 GHz on an 875P motherboard with 2 GB DDR400 PC3500 memory and with a GeForce FX 5900 or a ATI 9800 Pro state of the art system today?

Or should I wait for the end of Q4 2003 or the beginning of Q1 2004 when the next generation of CPU (Intel P5 or Athlon64) and GPU (NV40 or R420) comes out?

Some advice please!

Please no discussions on how I want to run this game but only some real advice if this is possible or not!


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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:13 PM
if your going to spend that much i would go the the new AMD 64 bit chip with the new RADEON card, AMD porcessors out perform Intel on 3D intense programs also ATI cards are insane for the money.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:16 PM
Are you sure this will work for IL2 FB?
Or only when IL2 FB is rewritten in 64 bits code?

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:58 PM
Dutch60 wrote:
- Are you sure this will work for IL2 FB?
- Or only when IL2 FB is rewritten in 64 bits code?
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- Flight Sims Forever!
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- src="http://home.wxs.nl/~elzer033/images/dutch-bf1
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The new AMDs are compatible with 32bit code (Unlike the early 64bit Intel's?), but I wouldn't be that sure about the speed. I bet it's fast, but I'm not sure if it would beat the 3.2GHz P4.

If FB was 64bit progie, well then...

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 11:36 PM
runs smooth (still some slight slowings above Leningrad) with all those settings, except for 1280x768 32bits resolution

hard : i865P P4C2.8 2x256 Mo DDR 3200 cas2 Radeon9800Pro

Hunter82
08-02-2003, 11:49 PM
Not enough ram /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


fredtstr wrote:
- runs smooth (still some slight slowings above
- Leningrad) with all those settings, except for
- 1280x768 32bits resolution
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- hard : i865P P4C2.8 2x256 Mo DDR 3200 cas2
- Radeon9800Pro
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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:02 AM
You won't be able to do what you want too. Turn off perfect, and yes you can.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-03-2003, 12:31 AM
get a gig of ddr
also - amd beats intel if you go my mhz - but not if you compare say and xp3000 and an intel 3 gig. 64 bit is another issue. In your shoes I'd probably wait - the new intel is out in sept - should see prices drop - maybe a new intel chipset to support it. Also nexgen of vid cards. VERY competitive market there - good for us. Not slammin amd - they are good - but so is intel.
Get a gig of ram - I have two.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:37 AM
That's the settings I use Buzz and it runs fine.

P4 3Ghz 800fsb
Radeon 9800 pro
512 DDR 3500

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:40 AM
Screenshot please. Lot's of action. FPS showing. Best be zero jaggies.

Not that I don't believe you HD. I just want to see it.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:05 AM
When someone sais that it runs fine, it's subjective. Some people think that with 25 fps, FB runs smooth and nice. I wouldn't even bother to start FB if i had to fly with 25 fps only.

But the "perfect" mode kills the fps rate on every current system. It doesn't even matter if you use an ATI or NVidia card. The beta testers made a test run right before the release of FB. They used a P4 3Ghz with an ATI 9700 and an AMD 2400 with a GF4 and the fps rate was almost the same on both systems with "perfect" enabled. There was only a difference of 2-3 fps or so. Pure Mhz numbers aren't that helpful anyway. YOu wont see a big difference in the performance between a 2,5 Ghz and 3Ghz+ computer if the rest of the hardware is the same or similar. I think with 2,4Ghz, you have enough HP under the case to play FB with high detail settings. What counts then is the rest of the hardware and how the rig is set up.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:33 AM
I'l post it hang on.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:48 AM
Oh well if you guys don't think FPS of 25 with all maxed then nevermind...that's about what I'm talking about as running fine for me. It's not always that low either, just down real low around cities and mucho water.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:36 AM
HD,

You don't get slight pauses in perfect? Are you using the beta patch?

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Hunter82
08-03-2003, 02:47 AM
I can run perfect @ 1600X1200 w/ 4 x's 8 x's but the refresh rate kills my eyes with my current monitor. I need a 100 refresh rate for it not to bother me so I fly @ 1024 X 768 a decent trade off for not getting headaches /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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Hunter82
08-03-2003, 02:48 AM
not one at all here Buzz on any version
BuzzU wrote:
- HD,
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- You don't get slight pauses in perfect? Are you
- using the beta patch?
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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 03:18 AM
Hunter,

I wouldn't have questioned you. You have a hot rod. HD has basically my old system, and I could never do what he's doing.

It could be my standards are different though. If i ever see the fps dip into the 20's. I turn something down.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:50 AM
I'd say wait for the next gen 3D cards. None of the current cards are tremendously good at pixel shading, and that's what FB relys on for it's Perfect setting.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:53 AM
It's true that the Opteron needs 64 bit code (code compiled with a 64-bit optimised compiler) to really shine, but don't forget that while FB will not be recompiled for 64-bit code, the Opteron supports SSE2 instructions(albeit poorly as far as tests show right now). The best bet would be either an Opteron(large cache) or a Prescott cored Intel P4 (these will be clocked at 3.4 GHz plus).
As far as video cards go, NVidia and ATI have three tiers of video cards withing a family. You would want the Ultra/Pro version of the high end card out at the time you buy your PC. Don't buy the Uber 256MB versions(or their equivalents whenever they come out). The current 256MB versions of both garphics cards(the Radeon 9800Pro 256, and the GeForceFX 5900 Ultra 256MB) provide marginal performance gains for their cost (~$100 US extra).



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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 06:26 AM
No pauses whatsoever Buzz. It dips down into the 19 area when lotsa stuff onscreen, but it doesn't pause or jump.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 06:46 AM
I just did some testing. With perfect and every else at max. 1600res 4x fsaa. I can run it, but at times when the fps drop into the low 20's it's jerky. At 1280 res it's fine and smooth. With 4xfsaa, I don't see much difference between 1600 and 1280,so i'll use that.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 12:39 PM
What are your system specs Hunter and what is the average fps rate you get in "Perfect"?


Btw, i don't even understand the hype about "perfect". If it would make the FM perfect, i would fly with it all day long. But the animated waves and the high poly count landscape at all distances is something which doesn't make the sim better but makes the eye candy fetishist happy.
For the sensation of flight, even medium settings would do the job.

I still wonder how you can have 19-20 fps in FB without any jerkyness but i guess it is truley subjective.

Buzz, what kinda system do you have again?


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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

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Message Edited on 08/03/0301:03PM by VF-2_John_Banks

Hunter82
08-03-2003, 01:41 PM
My current one John, and good to see you lurking about again, is a P4 system I built just for overclocking so my results tend to vary from others at times. With that said it's the same basic principle when someone says it can't run on it I will always say yes it can because I can or the majority of my systems /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

OK here's the specs. This is a liquid cooled system I built from top to bottom no kits.

P4 2.4 C @ 3.6 Ghz
1 GB of Corsair XMS 3500 @ 6-2-2-2 timings
Abit IC7 Mobo FSB @ 300 w/12 Multiplier
SB Audigy
Maxtor HD 80 GB 8 MB Cache/Sata
Win XP Pro
DX 9.0b

I have 2GB of ram in it for a bit but they didn't like the high FSB/tight timings. A new bios cam out for my MOBO so I might try the other ram again.

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Hunter82
08-03-2003, 01:44 PM
sry forgot FPS.

In 1024 X 768 w/ 4 X's AA and 8 X's aniso I get 60 FPS easy, @ 1600 X 1200 at same settings it is low 30's high 20's. If I drop AA to 2 X's it levels out to high 30's low 40's. This is with v-synch on, and drivers @ max detail..... not like some who drop them to lowest settings and scream they're getting 50 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Hunter82
08-03-2003, 02:37 PM
I just ran FB Black Death trck with 6 X's AA and 16 X's aniso @ 1024 X 768 32 bit in Perfect and averaged 54 FPS. I usually run it @ 4's which gives it a 5-7fps increase.

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:43 PM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Overclocked to 3,6Ghz. Not bad. What do you guess is the performance gain of the overclocked CPU. I only mean the CPU not the other setup tweaks you can make. Is there a noticable difference in the FPS rate between a 3Ghz P4? Many games don't even benefit from a certain Mhz number on cause they can't use it. I think IL2:FB has its limits as well

Did you ever messure the speed of your current system with the CPU set to its default speed and the 3,6Ghz?

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:45 PM
No matter your system, you can try an interesting experiment....


With high grafix settings and few AI aircraft, if you notice fps drop, and slow down time, you won't see any improvement in fps.

With high numbers of aircraft flying at one time--enough to drop fps severely, and you slow down time, you will see improvement in fps.

In the end, FB chokes on aircraft calculations, no matter the video card. So utltimately, I would imagine the higher the CPU Mhz the better. There was an excellent (indeed perfect) article on this at the http://www.simhq.com but its gone now. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:41 PM
I hate you all

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:47 PM
Yes, in theory, higher Mhz is better but today, you wont get the results most people are hoping for. There was a guy who updated from a 2,4Ghz to a 3,06Ghz with the rest of the system being untouched and the increasement of the fps rate wasn't that high. Sure, the overall performance is smoother and so on but if you think that 600Mhz more will change everything, then you are likely to be disappointed in the end.

I still remember the times when a Pentium 166Mhz MMX made everything so insane fast compared to slower computers/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:51 PM
John,

I copied this from another thread. I've finally settled on 1600 res 4xfsaa, and no perfect, but everything else on max. It never drops below 40 fps under any conditions i've run into yet. I'm happy with this for now. The patch is supposed to make perfect a little better. I'll try it again then. It's not that important really. I'm looking in the air 90% of the time.

Old system:

ATC-201 Aluminum Case
Enermax 450W PS
Asus P4G8X DDR MB
P4 3.0
Coolmaster Cooler
Corsair PC2700 Ram 1 gig
WD 80 GB 8mb
9800 Pro
Sony 52X CD ROM
Audigy 2
Plexitor 48/24/48
Win XP

New system:

ATC-201 Aluminum Case
Enermax 450 W PS
Asus P4800DDR/400 875P
P4 3.2 GHz/800
Zalman P4 Cooler....really nice cooler
Corsair TwinX 3200 1 gig
WD 80GB 8mb
FX 5900 Ultra 256 mb
Rest the same as above

With no o/c and non cheat drivers (44.61) I get 3D Mark 2001 score of 18200 3D 2003 score of 6735.

This may not seem like much of a upgrade from the old system, but it's like night and day in the games. I am more than pleased.




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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 06:03 PM
You upgrade from a 3Ghz to a 3,2Ghz system /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I guess this 200Mhz will give you at best 2 fps more /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . Btw, is the FX any better than the ATI one you had before?

I checked the "perfect" settings some hours ago and i had a frame rate in the 25-30 which i didn't like. I prefer to fly at 1152x864x32 with exellent settings and a minimum fps rate of 38 (due to Vsync wich likes to keep it at 38 down low which is super smooth).

The only real improvemt of "perfect" is the animated water which is as important for a flight sim as an ash try in your cockpit. So i am very happy with "exellent" which has more than enough detail to get the feeling of being a pilot and flying a plane.
What we really need is a "perfect" setting for the FM.


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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 06:49 PM
More than the CPU. Look at the MB and ram. This system is much faster than the first one.

Da Buzz
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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:06 PM
What differences did you see going from ATI to Nvid.
Was there any diffence in screen quility?



For everything their is a appointed time,and their is a time for every purpose under heaven. A time to be born, and time to die. A time to laugh, and a time to weep. A time for peace, and now it is a time for War.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:10 PM
Yes the mobo is important but the RAM isn't while you are playing. YOu don't have any HDD access while you play, so the RAM has no effect on the smoothness of the game nor on the FPS rate. But how is your new FX card compared to the ATI? i guess due to other new components which also affect the performance, it is hard to compare them on the speed sector but maybe the isual quality and the ability to handle FSAA and Aniso.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:17 PM
VF-2_John_Banks::
--------
There was a guy who updated from a 2,4Ghz to a 3,06Ghz with the rest of the system being untouched and the increasement of the fps rate wasn't that high. Sure, the overall performance is smoother and so on but if you think that 600Mhz more will change everything, then you are likely to be disappointed in the end.
------------


Actually, higher speeds will allow greater number of AI aircraft calculations, independent of grafix card, and probably in rough proportion to the speed. This is ignoring the Athlon's better performance per MHz however. Also, right now AMD has better FPU than Intel, which shocked all of civilization when that happened. I would assume FB uses FPU very extensively, as did the Flanker jet sims. The CSF3 sim uses look up tables for aircraft flight performance, thus they don't work the CPU as hard.

Ignore the video card. Video card doesn't matter when you have 50 AI aircraft flying. CPU, FPU, and internal cache is the only thing. Ignore the RAM bullsht cos I get smooth map of Finland on a puny 256 RAM. The only thing I can think of is Windows XP manages memory better than older Windows, that and I don't have much crap running under the desk~top.





Message Edited on 08/03/0306:22PM by LEXX_Luthor

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:31 PM
LEXX_Luthor wrote:
- Actually, higher speeds will allow greater number of
- AI aircraft calculations, independent of grafix
- card, and probably in rough proportion to the speed.

Yep - this is certainly what I would have expected. Unless you have a horrible bottleneck elsewhere in the system FB is going to be CPU limited. I would have expected FPS to rise roughly in proportion to CPU speed if paired with a modern graphics card.

Incidentally, am I the only one who thinks the water in the game actually looks better in excellent rather than perfect? The perfect setting produces an oily looking mass that might pass for the sea on a very calm day, but the absence of breaking waves etc makes it look very odd. For the rivers it is looks even more odd.

Regards,

RocketDog.

PS - John, your sig is a bit creepy...

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:33 PM
Makes sense though /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I know that AMD has a better FPU at the moment. But 256Mb RAM seems a bit less heh? On the Finland map, you will probably get some access pauses, each time the RAM is full. That's what i heard from people who also had 256MB.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:38 PM
John,

You say the CPU is good for 2 fps more, and the MB/ram adds nothing. How do you explain me getting 20-30 fps more under the exact conditions over my first system? This is in all games i've tried. My 3d scores are much higher too.

As for image of the 5900 over the 9800. This will get me alot of flak, but it looks much better to me. Anything that was white/silver with the 9800 used to give me schimmer effect. No matter what settings I used. Even 2048 res. That is gone completely with the 5900. I would have paid anything to get rid of that. The fact that i'm also getting much higher fps is just gravy. I ran my first system at 1152 4x fsaa. I get the same performance on the new system at 1600 res 4xfsaa. I also have the option of 8x fsaa on the 5900 with only a small loss of fps.

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:39 PM
RocketDog wrote:

PS - John, your sig is a bit creepy...


Hmm, creepy? Don't get me wrong, i'm not satanic, nor is the band if you think that's the case /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . Some people like to think that due to the cross buster logo. Don't know why.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:45 PM
VF-2_John_Banks wrote:
- RocketDog wrote:
-
- PS - John, your sig is a bit creepy...
-
-
- Hmm, creepy? Don't get me wrong, i'm not satanic,
- nor is the band if you think that's the case

LOL - no, not that, it just reminds me of the sort of thing suburban teenagers like doing to rebel against their parents. Not satanic, but at odds with the mature style of your writing. It makes me expect to see lots of "H@XoR D0odZ" etc in the post. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:46 PM
Well ,i know from experience that 200Mhz don't change much in the fps rate. trust me, RAM doesn't have an influence o nthe fps rate while you are flying. RAM will only effect the time it takes to load the games and the terrain. If you have enough RAM, you wont get a single RAM access pause while playing, where the speed of the RAM is also important cause with faster RAM, the pauses are shorter. But other thatn that, there is nothing the RAM can do about the fps rates you get.

Your new mobo and maybe the new videocard and the general setup of your new system are probably the reason why you get 20-30 fps more. The 200Mhz more are definitely not the reason for that /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . It's sum of the hardware with these 200Mzh playing a minor role.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:46 PM
BuzzU how much did your rig cost in total?

http://www.x-plane.org/users/12thiaptbone/tartar.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:47 PM
Buss speed means nothing to you?

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:48 PM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Well ,it's not my writing. I think the lyrics from that song were written by Greg Graffin. He likes to write songs like that and to get the people to think about it. I think he knows what he is talking about, he is a "Master of Sience" and soon a "Doctor".

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:50 PM
Btw..They are both Falcon systems, so I think they both have a good setup. Some will argue the 9800 Pro is as fast or faster than the 5900 Ultra. So I don't expect that's it either.

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:54 PM
Then tell us how the the FX "looks" compared to the ATI? What are the pros and cons?

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:55 PM
I already did.

I'm not ignoring you from here on. I'm going flying. Your answer is above.

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:56 PM
Buzz, nice to get some feedback from someone who has actually used both the ATi and Nvidia cards rather than just formed an emotional attachment to one manufacturer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Have you had a chance to compare the image quality with FSAA yet? I read an article on Tom's Hardware that suggested the original release Nvidia FSAA had some issues, although I suspect that the most recent drivers have sorted them out (see: http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/radeon9800pro-08.html ).

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 08:07 PM
Woops, i forgot to read that part of your post /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif . Interesting that the FX actually looks better than the ATI. I always wondered why people though that the ATI 9700 looks better cause FB in their screenshots looked almost perfectly like on my computer except that i don't use FSAA.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 09:12 PM
I'm back. I'm really pleased with the graphics on the 5900. More than I was with the 9800. I got rid of the shimmers, no jaggies at all, the colors are about the same in both cards, and I get higher fps. What more can I ask from a card?

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 09:29 PM
Great thought but the AMD chip is not ready for prime time..
No, go with the Intel .

Look AMD makes good chips but I have both here in high end machines. With ATI 9800 and GF 4 5900 .

I have tried both and moved the cards around ..
And I have to say I will stay with the Intel machine because it is and was better over all .

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 10:43 PM
If the FX gets hot enough, you could ask for a coffee.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 11:10 PM
Actually, the 5900 runs pretty cool, and is quieter than the 9800 that I had.

Da Buzz
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http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 06:49 PM
you guys kill me - i can only wish to keep up with ya'll.

Non Solum Armis

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:12 PM
I'm with Tsisqua and dBuff-

reading this thread is like looking at DisneyLand through the chainlink fence /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Jealous, me? Never!

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 07:33 PM
LOL

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:15 PM
Faster memory does affect your fps. Your cpu is constantly accessing the information in your ram and swapping that information in and out of cache and cpu registers.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:51 PM
Most games load all the necessary information into the RAM before you can play. RAM is much faster than the HDD anyway, so no matter what kinda RAM you have, the HDD is always slower. Beside that, i upgraded from "slow" OEM RAM to Infineon RAM which is supposed to be faster but did it improve the fps? Nope.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

Hawgdog
08-06-2003, 02:00 PM
Running ATI hacked 9700 pro. 2.4 OC'd to 2.8 2x512 DDR corsair PC2700 Max settings on graphics choices, max on game settings. AND the bootleg patch
http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/inside9.jpg

http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/40.jpg

http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/roll.jpg

and my favorite:
http://users.zoominternet.net/~cgatewood/assets/images/bailout.jpg


<center></script>Bad Dog Brigade
Vulching can be a contact sport
When you get to hell, tell 'em Hawgdog sent you
http://users.adelphia.net/~hawgdog/assets/images/sharkdog.gif



<center></script>Bad Dog Brigade
Vulching can be a contact sport
When you get to hell, tell 'em Hawgdog sent you
http://users.adelphia.net/~hawgdog/assets/images/sharkdog.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 02:09 PM
Weird, if you max fps rate is 65, how can the average fps rate be 105? The avergae should be lower than the max possible right? Maybe i'm misreading the screen? Guess i was too long in the sun today.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

http://www.rocket-fuel.com/news/images/bad_religion.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 02:35 PM
All I can say is wow! The cockpit at that detail gives me chills! This gives me hope that maybe a year or so from now, when I get a new system, it will be like playing a new game for me!!!

I have to say I would like to see some of the same screenies from Buzz and his system. This may help to make my decision to get a new computer come more quickly. BTW, thanks for all the info in this thread./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 02:36 PM
Actually RAM does matter on the FPS, cause there are so many different types/speeds to choose from.
I for instance upgraded my AMD 1.33Ghz to an AMD XP2600+ and the nForce2 mobo, but kept my current PC2100 512MB of RAM.
The first week i ran the RAM at 266Mhz (FSB at 333mhz) and to my shock the FPS over big cities was stilly fugly.

Then i started to tweak my RAM and overclocked it to 333Mhz so it runs 1:1 with the FSB. (the RAM is only certified for 266, but guess im lucky). And BOY did that have an impact!! The FSB over Berlin etc is smoooth. (My video card is the Ti4600 128MB).Im still running the RAM at single-channel so i thought i'd buy some twin-channel PC3200 RAM so i can overlock both the FSB and RAM /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

So the summary is, faster RAM does pay off!

VF-2_John_Banks wrote:
- ..., RAM doesn't
- have an influence o nthe fps rate while you are
- flying. RAM will only effect the time it takes to
- load the games and the terrain. If you have enough
- RAM, you wont get a single RAM access pause while
- playing, where the speed of the RAM is also
- important cause with faster RAM, the pauses are
- shorter. But other thatn that, there is nothing the
- RAM can do about the fps rates you get.
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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 03:52 PM
Guess it due to your low RAM. 512MB will cause HDD access where the speed of the RAM is more important i think. I never have any HDD access at all while playing and everything the game needs is already in the RAM after the mission was loaded. I also set my RAM to 333Mhz FSB the other day but had no improvement of the fps. I set it back to 266 (default although my RAM is capable of 333).

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trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

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Hawgdog
08-06-2003, 05:17 PM
Degrag daily, Norton speed disc, and those programs designed to "clean" the registry and back ground running programs are crucial to all systems.
Memory works best if its the same brand and type- I have had woes in the past with mixed memory! Go to website of motherboard and see if they suggest putting one kind or brand or if you've got different sized (256/512 etc) sticks which one to put where. My old board suggested putting the biggest sized stick next to an ID on the board, who knows if this is important anymore.
Visit the tweak sites and tweak, tweak tweak. Its worth it.
Tweaking the modem helps too (DrTCPIP) I think is one of the good ones.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 05:50 PM
John,

Your reading his fps wrong. His present fps when the screenshot was taken is 123fps. his average is 65fps. and the max is 414fps.

There is someting weird about FB on the max fps. I'm not sure at waht point it measures max fps, but it's always very high. So the average fps is always high too because of the high max fps. I never look at the average. It has no meaning. I only look at the present fps number. You can see by having a max of 414 fps how it brings the average up. Yet his is only 65 fps. That means he had to drop pretty low at times to get his average that low.

I never use the in game fps meter. I use Fraps. I only want to see what my present fps is. Max or average has no meaning to me. If mine ever goes below 40fps. I start tweaking something.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 06:49 PM
Thanks Buzz /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . I didn't dare to believe that the max fps is that 400ish number but you proved me wrong..hehe.

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<table border="0" width="100%"><tr><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1"> and did those feet in ancient times
trod america's pastures of green?
and did that <font color="#FF0000">anthropocentric</font> god <font color="#FF0000">wane</font>
with their thoughts and beliefs all unseen?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others lying low,
<font color="#FF0000">vying</font> with those who you've traded
your life to bless your soul,
and have they told you how to think,</font></font></td><td width="50%"><font size=2><font size="-1">
cleansed your mind of <font color="#FF0000">sepsis</font> and autonomy?
or have you escaped scrutiny,
and <font color="#FF0000">regaled</font> yourself with <font color="#FF0000">depravity</font>?
now we all see, "religion is just synthetic
<font color="#FF0000">frippery</font>, unnecessary in our expanding
global culture efficiency"
and don't you fear this impasse
we have built to our future?
ever so near,
and oh so <font color="#FF0000">austere</font> </font></font></td></tr></table>

"God Song" by Bad Religion

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