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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:29 AM
The soviet AI has an unrealistic advantage in flight capability (quick missions) when flying against human/German pilots. And when you play a Soviet pilot against the German AI (quick missions), the German AI is moronic to the point where little skill is needed to shoot down ace after ace regardless of what planes are being flown.
It seems Oleg placed unfair skill into the Ruskies B/C he is a Ruskie himself.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:29 AM
The soviet AI has an unrealistic advantage in flight capability (quick missions) when flying against human/German pilots. And when you play a Soviet pilot against the German AI (quick missions), the German AI is moronic to the point where little skill is needed to shoot down ace after ace regardless of what planes are being flown.
It seems Oleg placed unfair skill into the Ruskies B/C he is a Ruskie himself.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:31 AM
Mk103 wrote:
- The soviet AI has an unrealistic advantage in flight
- capability (quick missions) when flying against
- human/German pilots. And when you play a Soviet
- pilot against the German AI (quick missions), the
- German AI is moronic to the point where little skill
- is needed to shoot down ace after ace regardless of
- what planes are being flown.
- It seems Oleg placed unfair skill into the
- Ruskies B/C he is a Ruskie himself.
-

TROLL

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:33 AM
Mk103 wrote:
- The soviet AI has an unrealistic advantage in flight
- capability (quick missions) when flying against
- human/German pilots. And when you play a Soviet
- pilot against the German AI (quick missions), the
- German AI is moronic to the point where little skill
- is needed to shoot down ace after ace regardless of
- what planes are being flown.
- It seems Oleg placed unfair skill into the
- Ruskies B/C he is a Ruskie himself.

AI is the same for all planes.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:34 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:35 AM
What's a troll?

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:39 AM
Mk103 wrote:
- What's a troll?

This is a troll:

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:46 AM
Whatever loser

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:51 AM
Give the guy a break at least explain the situation to him, this quote:

And when you play a Soviet pilot against the German AI (quick missions), the German AI is moronic to the point where little skill is needed to shoot down ace after ace regardless of what planes are being flown.

Is very true because the AI only use T A B tactics they can't boom and zoom so the AI luftwaffe try to turn fight and get waxed. Although i have noticed in QMB if u fight against AI that controls russian AC they seem much more agresive than the AXIS planes AI, they seem to persist for longer periods where as the luftwaffe AI seems to make a pass or two then just aimlessly fly off. Has anyone else noticed this at all??

Also the current modeling in 1.11 patch wont help luftwaffe much when La's and yak's have turn rates of 15 secs and ridiculous climb rates......

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:01 AM
Mk103 wrote:
- Whatever loser

Not whatever, that is a very good drawing of a troll.
I found drawing that where worse so I actually did you a favor of posting a good drawing of a troll.

I could have posted this one instead:

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:01 AM
ive sorta noticed that
nearest ive got is a il2 (although german side)
btw il2 is good vs bombers, all that armour /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
and cannons too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:07 AM
not this rubbish again.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:23 AM
so many replies?

Oh damn I've fallen into the trap as well. Now I know why so many dinosaurs died in tar pits.

help, pull me out of this mess. oh go on.





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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:26 AM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- so many replies?
-
- Oh damn I've fallen into the trap as well. Now I
- know why so many dinosaurs died in tar pits.
-
- help, pull me out of this mess. oh go on.

I've got ya Bazzah! Oh wait, I forgot the rope. Um...help? Anybody?

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:38 AM
get the rope or I may have to post again.

Too late! thanks for trying though. lol.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:41 AM
http://www.ropesthatrescue.com

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:49 AM
*gurgle gurgle* We're done for Bazzah. Wait! What's this? Cappadocian to the rescue! Man,that was close! Thanks!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:51 AM
It wasn't me, the ropes rescue all by themselves because they are biased.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:53 AM
Silly me! Thank you Mr.Biased-Rope! No! Stop! Why are you wrapping around my neck......

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:10 AM
necrobaron wrote:
- Silly me! Thank you Mr.Biased-Rope! No! Stop! Why
- are you wrapping around my neck......

Because bias can turn on you anytime, anyplace and anywhere and bite you in the....I mean wrap around your neck.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:12 AM
Mk103 is a troll.

AI is not biased but VVS a/c get huge benefits cause almost all AI pilots( even in Me-262) do TnB.

Me-262 campaign is almost unplayable due to this fact. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:17 AM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:Because bias can turn on you anytime, anyplace and
- anywhere and bite you in the....I mean wrap around
- your neck.

Are you saying I'm biased?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:25 AM
necrobaron wrote:
- Cappadocian_317 wrote:Because bias can turn on you
- anytime, anyplace and
-- anywhere and bite you in the....I mean wrap around
-- your neck.
-
- Are you saying I'm biased

That biased rope has a good grip on you since you seem to think your the biased rope now, better be nice to it or else your going to be kicking the bucket pretty soon.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:36 AM
Argh! It's invading my mind! *dingity* I just kicked the bucket...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:49 AM
True the computer uses Axis aircraft all wrong. However properly flown axis aircraft against Ace AI VVS aircraft can easily when.
For example though if you QMB 4 Ace Lagg's vs just you in a BF-109 at under 3,000 feet you have a problem. Get in like a K-2 or K-4 and set the start altitude at 5,000 feet.
Then watch as they lag behind you trying to chase you through a climb.
Then use BnZ tactics along with stall turns. You can even TnB with them, but what happens is they seperate. When you after one set the other will get behind you.
I think the K-4 is steadily becoming my favorite aircraft.

For example I went head one with 4 Lagg's set to Ace. They went into their 2 by 2 attack formation. I chose a pair, and opened up from an extended range. When they closed the distance I barrel rolled. 1 Lagg went down, another was smoking like a freight train.
Then I did a stall turn, and cut them off again taking another one out. With good gunnery the 109's can blow anything out of the sky. While the 109 is fragile the Lagg's lose just about any performance advantage they may have had from just a little damage.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:52 PM
I'm glad someone agdees with me. These are people with common sense.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:58 PM
Mk103 wrote:
- I'm glad someone agdees with me. These are people
- with common sense.

I love to agdee! And I'd love to agdee with you in a sort of biased way if that's okay with you. Agdeed?

/slush

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Zayets
09-22-2003, 02:59 PM
Mk103 wrote:
- I'm glad someone agdees with me. These are people
- with common sense.
-
-

How 'bout me? I don't agdee with you but ppl say I have a pretty common ... sense.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 03:33 PM
For me that single thing is what hampers FB offline the most.

And, online wars suffer from this as well: they are nothing but coop missions, hence AI pilots are a factor, and it's quite frustrating to lose a wonderful fight with sixteen humans because your AI can't use a 109 if their life depended on it (which it does, by the way).

You can live without a couple of wingman commands, or with confusing messages, but the inadequacy of AI at energy fighting makes the game quite moronic.. If you play reds, you get too easy wins; if you play blue, everything is much more complicated than it should. It's a no-no.

The only sensible thing to do is to play early finnish campaigns (red or blue), where the mighty brewsterino does put off some decent fight.

If Oleg is not already puking for all FM/DM whin^H^H^H^Hfeedback it would be cool to have an improved AI in the payware addon. Yes I'd be glad to shell out some bucks to see it fixed..

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:32 PM
I wholeheartedly adgee

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:51 PM
lol no kiding

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:19 PM
If you set all VVS AI planes to rokie and all LW planes to veteran, you get quite realistic outcome close to RL.